Wait…

You mean to tell me that THIS wasn’t the right Miracles video I should have been watching all this time?

https://youtu.be/YnO1Fxjud7E

King Lucem Ferre said
Let’s not pretend that people don’t try to make hierarchies with in the culture because they do. People will judge you for not having as much merch. People will judge you for the way you dress. People will judge you for the other artists you listen to. I’ve seen all of that in person and some of that on this forum. Look at what happened to Tila Taquila. I’ve had juggalos judge me for not using the juggalo slang when I was a juggalo. Fucking og vs new school juggalos. ICP vs Twiztid juggalos. This shit does happen. And just like in any other culture people will tell you those hierarchies are not juggalo or emo or punk or goth or what not. I’ve met punks that like hip hop. I’ve met hip hoppers that like metal. I’ve met metal heads that like electronic music. I’ve met electro heads that like punk rock. It’s pretty hard to meet anybody that only likes one genre. There is no difference between any of those cultures.

People are by nature hierarchical, yes. we make hierarchies out of everything. That wasn’t what i said though. Other scenes are -about- the hierarchy, not the ones we make in our scenes but about the wider hierarchy of society and finding the niche where you’re on top. 

Yes, people will judge you and there will be conflict over bullshit because we’re a bullshit species that creates needless distinctions from groups to belittle people we don’t like or don’t know. At the gathering though, someone might crack a joke about how you’re dressed but mostly people there will leave you alone because no one cares about how you’re dressed because the scene doesn’t care about maintaining a specific look. We have our trends and things catch on because of a shared appreciation for a specific aesthetic but that’s more circumstantial than socially maintained. I’ve had long hair, I’ve had shaved heads, I’ve had cool mohawks, I’ve had floppy no glue mohawks that look like shit and no juggalo has ever, in what 18 or 19 years, ever assaulted me, but as mentioned Henry Rollins -who was the singer for Black Flag- has said when his hair would get long people would want to fight him. One of the most popular hardcore punk bands in the 80s and people would challenge him physically because of his hair. That simply isn’t a thing that we have. 

I don’t know what the relevance of the last part of your post is. No one said people only listen to one kinda music? Did you think I meant that there social cliques consider each other so far below them socially that they don’t mix? I didn’t. I just meant when people choose their scene its because they think it’s -cool-. They think it’s the scene that is going to make them cool. They think if they learn the right things about that scene or if they know the right people in that scene, they’ll be cool. They don’t do it deliberately but they do it.

I never thought being a juggalo was cool. It was everything my friends made fun of in high school before we knew what juggalos were. Things that I liked and they made fun of me for liking. Like pro wrestling. Comic books. Cheesy horror shit. just anything dweeby and funny. When I started becoming a juggalo they started making fun of that too. I didn’t care because to find other people like me I had found a short cut through ICPs music to a culture that valued me and the bullshit I liked.

And I agree with Cheshyr, everybody is invited but not everybody can successfully do it because if they sound fake about it, people will reject them. Not being an asshole isn’t really a requirement but it’s close. taking from and not giving back to the group is a big fuck you. I saw people get booted for raping a chick at the gathering, and I saw people get booted for stealing shit, too. Basically if you’re ruining the good time then people don’t want you there. But also there’s a lot of younger, newer people who get caught up in the how down are you game and you just gotta kinda roll your eyes. 

I find if people are honest about how long they been down, they can find people who will welcome them pretty openly and help show them the history of the scene but that’s been my experience and might not be universal / there may be observation bias.

Honestly I’ve Been Contemplating What To Write…..For About 40 Mins, And All I Can Say Is…..Anything I Put Is My Opinion As A Juggalo Since “The Great Milenko” And Is No Way Anyone Else’s Or How Anybody Else Should Feel. (If Any Disagreements)

Psychopathic Records Should:

– Be More Open With Their Releases And Going On’s. (Atleast A Clue, Something Besides “Its So Fresh” Or “The Biggest News”)

– Bring Mike E Clark Back. Not Saying Bring Old 90’s ICP Back, But How Could M.E.C. Being In The Studio Hurt The Process. Ya Know?

– Do More Interviews Like The One J Did With FL or The YW Thing With The College For Upcoming Producers & Engineers.

– Do A Carnival Of Carnage Tour. I Mean They Skipped Right Over It. 

– Do More EP’s. (Forgotten Freshness, Tunnel Of Love, Beverly Kills 50187, ETC…)

– Do More Promotion! [Not Saying They Need It] (Who Remembers The Commercial They Made For MTV??? Fucking Legendary & Fresh!) {“We Know You Hate Insane Clown Posse, But We LOVE You.”} That Would Be Dope To See Another One…

– Promote There Artist MORE! On Twiztid’s “Born Twiztid” Documentary/Spoof Movie Violent J Says Something Along The Lines Of “If I Was On Their Dick (Twiztid) Any Harder, I Would Be Their Nutsack” I Mean They Didn’t Even Promote Bonez Dubb’s New Singles, And J Says YW Is His Bro……. But Are Selling ABK Tour Tickets On PsychopathicRecords.Com And J Claims “He Left The Nest” Its All Speculation & Its None Of My Business But Something Strange Is Going On There And Juggalos On The Outside Can Tell.

– Be On Psychopathic Radio More. (I Mean I Know Their Busy But Its “The Juggalo Show”) Atleast Phone Calls To Them Or Facetime Like ” Sup J, Shaggy. Whats Going On?” And Their Like “Where Touring Right Now” Some Kind Of Insight, IDK More Hands On With Them I Guess. (J Said He Wants ICP Unreachable, Not Invisible)

– Put Archive Episodes On Psychopathicradio.com The Minute They Go OFFLINE. Or Atleast The Next Day. People Work And I Don’t Wanna Wait 3 Weeks For A Show’s To Upload, When Their On Every Thurs. Then I Gotta Watch 3 2Hour Epsiodes All At Once.

– Re Release All Old Merch From All Artists On Or Ever Been On Psychopathic Records. Major $$$!!! Duh. But Besides That You Can’t Expect A 24 Year Old Ninja To Have An Old School Ringmaster Shirt Or Something. A Super Balls Tee, Psychopathic Rydas Shirt’s, Dark Lotus Shirts, Shaggy Fuck Off Cover Shirts *Hint Hint* I Mean C’mon, Classic’s!

– I Know J Already Stated He Hates Doing Solo But…..Do Solo Projects! Now The Shining Did Not Do As Well In My Opinon But Any Thing Else That Has Been Solo (Fuck Off, FTFO, Wizard Of The Hood) Was Fucking Awsome!

– Do A Flavor/s With Faygo And Sell It On HatchetGear. (Insane Clown Pop, Twiztid Berry, Hoodoo Root Beer, Faygoluvers Rock N Rye. HAHA) Just A Thought……Don’t Steal My Idea’s On Names LLAL!

– Bring Back Soopa Villianz!

– Put Out More Of The Comic Book Series They Had Going. (I Got All Of Them With The CDs That Came With Them)

– Do More Work With Local Artists. May Seem Wack But Like The Mike E Clark Thing, ICP Already Has A Rep It Wouldn’t Hurt To Reach Out To Dope Solo Talent.

– Do More Wide Variety Of Merch. (Action Figures, Beenie Boys, Throwback Posters)

– Do More Dark Lotus & Psychopathic Rydas Stuff. (Cd’s, Ep’s, Singles)

– Even Tho They Just Put Out 2 New Ones, But MUSIC VIDEOS! What About Throwback Videos! Imagine They Do “Murder Go Round” From Ringmaster, Or Fuck How About “Birthday Bitches” From Shangri-la. That Would Be So Easy. Just Shaggs And ABK In 1 Room Nothing Fancy Some Visuals, IDK. That Would Be Like 100,000 Freshness Points!

– Use Their Social Media More Personally. (Not Like J Was. But Being On Every Now And Again Not Just Promotion.

– Update The ICP Hotline ALOT More! Which Is 1-714-647-2465 If U Ninjas Don’t Know! (Engraved In My Brain! lol)

– Go On Howard Stern More! That Shit Was Funny!

– Do Some More Inside The Psychopathic Records Stuff. Would Be Dope To See More Of The Going On’s And Some Studio Footage Of Even Old Recorded Stuff. I Remember Seeing A Video Online Of Them And MEC In The Studio. Blew My Wig Back Off My Head And Down The Street! 

– Move The Gathering. Every Year. I Live In Syracuse NY And IDK About Anywhere Else But They Could Rent The Fairgrounds Or Something. Ninjas Have To Travel There Anyway May Be Closer In Some Areas For Even More Juggalos To Go Then Ever Before. Maybe……

– Do A 6 Jokers Card Release With Everything Recorded Vocally Or Visually In 1 Set With Outtake Pictures, Videos, And Stuff Of That Nature. Would Be Hella Fresh And Would Pay The $100 Or More It Would Probably Be. I Think Alot Of Ninjas Would Too!

Psychopathic Records Shouldn’t: 

– Ever Stop. Always Work Like Ur Struggling. The Label That Runs Beneath The Streets Is A Home And A Birthplace To Soooo Many Great Underground Artist. Good Things & Bad Things Have Happened, And I’ve Watched It Grow In Front Of My Eyes As Have Many Of You. But It Has Helped Me Grow And Develop Me As A Producer Musically And As A Person. I Hope The Same For Every Listener. Grow And Learn, But Have Fun. Were All Clown’s Or Jester’s For Someone Or Somehow. Be Yourself Have Your Own Voice Through The Process Of Thinking. And Most Important, Enjoy Life. May Not Be Great But Let That Motivate You.

WHOOP WHOOP!

Sincerly, Jester.

scruffy said

King Lucem Ferre said
Rob, I used to be a juggalo. I’ve been on the inside, I’ve observed the culture for what it is. And according to other definitions my definition is just as valid as theirs is.

so then, whats your beef? 

is it because you have no definition?  cuz you been steady askin us for one, over and over…  why ask? 

face it dog, you missed shit that others didnt.  it went over your head, so to speak.  and just cuz i cant give you the according-to-hoyle definition, doesnt mean im clueless. 

i get it, and you cant say im lyin just cuz you dont get it. 

maybe i give the wrong answer to the quiz question, maybe not;  but yours is automatically insufficient, bein that it is ‘i dunno, you tell me‘. 

 

the dumb part is, youve said you dont even wanna be a part of it, and dont care. 

buuuuut…  still asking for it to be explained to you, instead of discovering the answers on your own.  the proper way to know about juggalos.  go among them, and learn.  and not just take note of the things you wanna talk shit about, really learn. 

you clearly did not do that, lucem, or you wouldnt be insisting on concrete, when we are talkin about smoke. 

My beef is that I think ICP music is the driving influence on the culture and you guys deny that it has anything to do with it.

I do have a definition. A culture based on ICP music, it’s you guys that lack a definition.

I didn’t miss a damn thing. I’ve been in it for years, since I was 12 up to 20 or sumn. So you know I wasn’t just some trend riding phase kid. I know the culture, and I know that ICP is the driving force of it, even though I wasn’t into ICP near the end. Actually, I’m still in the culture. Just because I don’t identify as a juggalo doesn’t mean I’m not still here. Most of my friends are still juggalos. I still go to concerts, I can’t just turn my back on this culture. I just can’t identify as one. Doesn’t mean I’m against juggalos or I’m against any of you.

And I did not just take note of what I want to talk shit on. You know I wouldn’t be here if I did. I stayed because of the atmosphere of people like you or cheshyr or rob or most of my friends. The juggalos that did not fit a mold, that knew they didn’t have to become another carbon copy to enjoy the culture. But you were all fans of ICP to some extent and that is my initial point. This is a culture based on ICP music. Even cheshyr’s post confirmed that when he said that if you don’t know shit about the music you will be called out on it, even going as far to say that the people that don’t know the music are using the culture. It’s a culture based on ICP music and you are denying that. Not saying that you have to love every single thing they do or that it has to be your favorite band, just that you all appreciate the music in one way or another. And of course there is much more to it than just music, that’s why it’s a culture and not a fanbase but the core is the music. How anybody can deny that is beyond me.

Lucem is a juggalo whether he admits it or not lol. 

DemonicSwagger said
Lucem is a juggalo whether he admits it or not lol. 

I’m cool with that. If people ask I’ll say, “No, but I’m in the club.”

Is there some kind of subset of juggalos for Panda Express?

Rosco said
Still got respect for the full grown men sporting band shirts. ICP or not.
Kinda wish I was still in that frame of mind. Miss those days.

I saw an old dude walking down the street wearing a BIOSHOCK 2 shirt today.

Pure balls.