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We get it, you grew out of your juggalo phase like a million other people.
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I’m not a juggalo
…Then why are you here @king lucem ferre ?
Because I’m a fan of underground/horrorcore music and this is the best place to get the news. And I do like to stay in touch with what ICP are doing.
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Most juggalos I know hardly even listen to ICP, actually.
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when the artist is marketing their music as the foundation for a way of life, that’s when in issue comes a long. See, ICP is the face of this culture. Their music is supposed to be the defining representation of this culture. If a juggalo doesn’t like what’s supposed to represent them, then it’s not so easy to just move on, now is it?appears it was easy enough for ‘most juggalos you know’ to move on. so, whats the hangup for the rest, that they cant do the same?
what, only the utah juggalos are enlightened…?
Refer to my newer post.
And I can’t speak for my friends on why they call them selves juggalos when they hardly listen to ICP or how they feel about being a juggalo or what not. And plenty of people in Utah take this label to heart the same way I’m describing.
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We get it, you grew out of your juggalo phase like a million other people.
I prefer to say grew away from. Grew out sounds so condescending. It’s more to do with I prefer Kanye West over ICP and I prefer my individuality.
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King Lucem Ferre said
I prefer Kanye West over ICP
That’s the lamest thing I’ve ever heard. This site now has a faint homosexual vibe going through it because of your comment. I’m going to go lay down now. My balls all of a sudden don’t feel well.
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King Lucem Ferre said
I didn’t say anybody worships anybody, I just said that if you choose this culture, this music, this title as an identity. You choose to identify yourself as a juggalo which is defined by the music of the Insane Clown Posse.
not what id say.
way i see it, ‘juggalo’ is defined [and constantly redefined] by… juggalos.
even icp cant tell us who we are. not any more.
The Phish fans didn’t make it a way of life, Kiss Army didn’t make it a way of life, Beliebers didn’t make it a way of life.
ill gladly take your word for it, since the last thing i wanna do is dabble in those crowds… but ive heard different.
Juggalos are supposed to be a whole culuture and way of life and, as many say, a family.
culture, absolutely. way of life… eh, less absolute. family? not based on what ive seen. thats pushin it a lil.
You’ve vocalized your dislike of me not being a juggalo.
i know what you mean, of course, but just for the record… i never vocalized any such thing. about you.
So to say this is not your identity, or isn’t a part of your identity is ridiculous. This music is a pivotal piece in the identity of anybody that calls them self a juggalo. Like it or not, if you dedicate your life to using this title and this group you are represented by the music of the Insane Clown Posse.
bein a juggalo is definitely part of my identity.
but the ‘music of insane clown posse’? its music. im a big fan, an aficionado, i bump it, i follow it, i seek it out… but it doesnt define me… except i spose, to judgmental dickheads on the street or whatever who dont like me bumpin it. but fuck them, anyway.
So it’s understandable for a juggalo to get upset if he feels like the music doesn’t represent him properly in comparison to just an Insane Clown Posse fan not being fond of Insane Clown Posse music anymore.
i guess. within reason. all things in moderation.
Me, personally, I never took this thing too seriously, but a lot of juggalos do take it very very seriously and probably much more serious than they should.
oh yeah. that last part.
Let’s not pretend that anybody that calls them self a juggalo hasn’t chosen this as an identity when there is a whole image and style to this. Just like people choose the title ‘punk rocker’ or ‘goth kid’ or ’emo’ or ‘hipster’ or ‘police officer’ or what not to be their identity (or at the very least a strong piece of their identity) you have chosen ‘juggalo’. Why would you call yourself a juggalo if you didn’t want to be known as a juggalo?
i, uh, dont think anybody was pretending this.
King Lucem Ferre said
Refer to my newer post.
refer to my edit of my older post.
And I can’t speak for my friends on why they call them selves juggalos when they hardly listen to ICP or how they feel about being a juggalo or what not. And plenty of people in Utah take this label to heart the same way I’m describing.
right, but im not really talkin bout utah.
im sayin that ‘most juggalos’, from what you yourself experience, have no problem bein juggalos and not listening to icp. i mean, if a professed non-juggalo is the one introducin em to found…
thus, the idea that ‘most juggalos’ cant do exactly that runs contrary to your own observations.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
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I prefer Kanye West over ICPThat’s the lamest thing I’ve ever heard. This site now has a faint homosexual vibe going through it because of your comment. I’m going to go lay down now. My balls all of a sudden don’t feel well.
ya know, ive never been able to tell if hes for real about this, or not.
either way, dont matter to me very much.
i figure his point was more the individuality thing. looks as though he feels his individuality would suffer somehow, if he were to call himself a juggalo.
never been a problem for my individuality. but, presumably, lucem knows his own personality better than i do.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
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Initially if an artist disappoints you, you’d move on (ignore Lil’ Wayne, Lil’ B, Nicki Minaj, etc.) but when the artist is marketing their music as the foundation for a way of life, that’s when in issue comes a long. See, ICP is the face of this culture. Their music is supposed to be the defining representation of this culture. If a juggalo doesn’t like what’s supposed to represent them, then it’s not so easy to just move on, now is it? This is the music you people choose as your identitiy. This is the shit that changed your life, saved you, and became a way of life. That fact has become the biggest selling point for this music. This is a business that is trying to sell you a culture, a family in the form of a cd. If you embrace those ideas and embrace the idea of being a juggalo and dedicate your identity to this, then it’s a lot more than just moving on from an artist. To me, I think it’s silly for a fan to feel entitled to anything. But for those of you who claim that juggalos are a family or a movement or a culture, there is a sense of entitlement that goes along with that.
Luckily, I’m not a juggalo so it’s easy for me to move on from shitty releases.
Dude. 
There is so much conflict in that. The only part I agree with is the *implied statement that for Juggalos in a Juggalo culture, it hasn’t been an easy adjustment over the years for those that feel that as THEY got older, that their favorite band hasn’t (to THEM).
Your “breakdown” of what ICP and Psychopathic are “doing” sounds pretty damn… I dunno… CONSPIRATORIAL! If the FBI were to take your lines into a court room, I could SEE how a room full of straights could EASILY call Juggalos fuckin’ CULT! And I think I know why…
From the go, you have a couple things reversed.
Their music is supposed to be the defining representation of this culture.
The culture is a representation of the music; not the other way around. That’s the direction of the current. Juggalos didn’t come first and then they anointed ICP as the “official” Juggalo shot-caller; “This is what you are, this is what you need to do, thank me later for giving your life meaning…” There’s most definitely a symbiosis between them but ICP is NOT at the whim of their audience as to how THEY want to artistically express themselves. Presumably, based on Violent J’s talk on the subject; ICP, Twiztid, Blaze, ABK etc etc are the SOUNDTRACK to a people that ARE a culture and while they do inject thoughts, ideas and images INTO that culture; Juggalos are the RESULT of the music and not so much the other way.
The other stuff you mention after that…? Well, all I can say for that is… that’s fuckin’ LIFE, dude. Once upon a time, I was very much involved in an active scene and lived long enough to watch it slowly fall away until I was almost the last one left at the party. As far as I was concerned, I had stayed the same while everything else got co-opted by a new generation with no respect or INTEREST in what came before. And maybe THAT is everyone’s problem. There’s a big difference between “change” without respect and “change” for the sake of it or to appeal to common interests…
This is the shit that changed your life, saved you, and became a way of life. That fact has become the biggest selling point for this music. This is a business that is trying to sell you a culture, a family in the form of a cd.
I personally find this [insert word that means disturbing and mildly disgusting at the same time].
There are just as many people out in the world that have said that NEIL DIAMOND has “saved their lives” and have made his music a part of their lives… or ELVIS… or fuck, I dunno JOHNNY CASH! So this “saved lives” thing that pops up should only be regarded as being anecdotal. They’re a BAND. Bands make MUSIC. MUSIC is transformative and powerful. IOW, let’s not get too fuckin’ carried away here!
…but when the artist is marketing their music as the foundation for a way of life, that’s when in issue comes a long.
That fact has become the biggest selling point for this music. This is a business that is trying to sell you a culture, a family in the form of a cd.
Really? Is that what you think they are “doing”? That’s just… wow. I can’t even articulate a proper response as to how creepy a thought that is and hope that’s not how you or others really think. It speaks to SO much premeditated manipulation and deceit on the part of Violent J and Shaggy. DO you really think that despite the reports of “low intelligence” amongst Psychopathic’s fans/FOLLOWERS, that these people can’t even think for themselves hard enough to be able to decide what kind of MUSIC they like?! They’re not buying an album of music to listen to and enjoy but have been swayed into buying a bandaid for their life?
And again, I thinks this is because of the reversal in your initial perception. People aren’t makin’ themselves scrubs so they can be “more” down with the clown. Like, ICP isn’t trying to convince anyone to misguidedly go live under a bridge like fuckin’ fans of Kurt Cobain felt he was hinting at them to do… SOME were poor to begin with. Some will be. Some never will. But no one needs to be any of those in order to count themselves as a part of the fanbase of a band they like. Juggalos just HAPPEN to be one of those fanbases that are just OPEN to the kinds of people that usually aren’t as welcome. Was the Greatful Dead *SELLING* a “culture, a family in the form of a cd”? I think you really got the cart leading the horse.
If you embrace those ideas and embrace the idea of being a juggalo and dedicate your identity to this, then it’s a lot more than just moving on from an artist. To me, I think it’s silly for a fan to feel entitled to anything. But for those of you who claim that juggalos are a family or a movement or a culture, there is a sense of entitlement that goes along with that.
100% correct! I don’t disagree at all! But feel free to replace the word juggalo with the names of fans of EVERY OTHER FORM OF MUSIC!!!
While I can pick up on the empathy yer given there, the misplaced attachment you’re placing between the two changes what you think juggalos are “claiming” entitlement to; which in THIS case is the CULTURE not the music (as ever, IMHO[i ain’t doggin’ you]) Violent J has said on many, many occasions has said that -Juggalo- came about FROM the fans. It is THEY that came up with the word and shaped themselves, it was them that helped turned Faygo into a “thing” and they are the ones that made and make The Gathering what it is.
Personally, I don’t call myself a Juggalo. YET. This year’s Gathering will be my third. I have EVERY intention of being at next year’s and plan to go to the Juggalo gaming convention Jumpsteady’s got planned a few months later… Knowing that they plan to move it [the gathering] and NOT knowing if they plan to move it farther away… I’ve told myself that if I DO make whatever journey I must for my senior year that I would get my Hatchetman. Cuz to the REST of the world, going ONCE is enough to get ya branded but after FOUR… I guess I just “iz what I iz”…
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dunno what it is, but i cant reveal spoilers any more. cursor switches from arrow to text selector. i have to go into the post edit to see em.
just thought id mention that.
not wanting to spoil the spoiler, i wont quote, but…
@cheshyr – when you say ‘branded’, whachu mean?
ink? or just the title of ‘juggalo’, maybe…?
awfully paranoid, arent you?
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That post was a response to Bayareashaman but addressed your statement.
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That post was a response to Bayareashaman but addressed your statement.
i know.
and my response was to again call you a juggalo who doesnt call himself a juggalo. theres tons of ninjas just like you out there.
and thats no threat to your individuality, either. theres as much [or more] variety among those types, as the types that do self-apply the term. so, no, they arent ‘just’ like you. but theyre still more or less juggalos. like you.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
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I’m very serious about liking Kanye West over ICP. His whole response is a monument to why I am not a juggalo. It also completely contradicts what juggalos claim to be.
There would be no juggalos if there were not ICP music. The one thing that every juggalo has in common is Insane Clown Posse music. It’s total denial to say their music doesn’t work as the defining back drop to this culture. That music is the face paint, the hair, the clothes, the attitude and the slang. The whole style and environment of the juggalo culture came from Insane Clown Posse music. Like I already said, not every juggalo takes it seriously enough to care as much about the perceived decline in ICP music as others. But there is a die hard core to the culture that lives every bit of their life based on this music. For those people it is understandable why a perceived decline in the music is taken so hard. This is such a huge chunk of their identity, maybe not yours, that they can’t just take it with a grain of salt. I agree that people need to get over it or quit taking it so seriously, but you know they do and you know they won’t. Or maybe nobody gives a shit about my point.
I mean, why would every juggalo make this culture out to be so grand if it’s as simple to them as being a fan of music?
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I’m very serious about liking Kanye West over ICP.
just sayin.
His whole response is a monument to why I am not a juggalo. It also completely contradicts what juggalos claim to be.
i have no idea what thats supposed to mean. kanyes response contradicts what im claiming? again, take your word for it.
Like I already said, not every juggalo takes it seriously enough to care as much about the perceived decline in ICP music as others. But there is a die hard core to the culture that lives every bit of their life based on this music. For those people it is understandable why a perceived decline in the music is taken so hard. This is such a huge chunk of their identity, maybe not yours, that they can’t just take it with a grain of salt. I agree that people need to get over it or quit taking it so seriously, but you know they do and you know they won’t.
you dont know it, but youre talkin bout the flakes. most juggalos are wise enough to run their own lives, they dont need a cd to give them instructions.
get to a gathering, man. i promise you, i personally guarantee you, it will change your outlook on this. and you dont see me just guaranteeing shit all the time, do ya?
‘juggalo’ goes beyond the music, flat out. in fact, it could be that gettin past the music is the sine qua non of ‘juggalo’. as opposed to just ‘fan’. but thats a little too deep for me, right now.
I mean, why would every juggalo make this culture out to be so grand if it’s as simple to them as being a fan of music?
well, yeah… thats why this
It’s total denial to say their music doesn’t work as the defining back drop to this culture.
seems so bizarre, comin in the same post.
it is grand, for reasons that are, again, well beyond ‘fan of music’. methinks some of those reasons just may escape you.
thus, bring your ass to the gathering.
icps music isnt juggalos.
we, are juggalos. music is almost incidental, at this point.
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scruffy said
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That post was a response to Bayareashaman but addressed your statement.i know.
and my response was to again call you a juggalo who doesnt call himself a juggalo. theres tons of ninjas just like you out there.
and thats no threat to your individuality, either. theres as much [or more] variety among those types, as the types that do self-apply the term. so, no, they arent ‘just’ like you. but theyre still more or less juggalos. like you.
scruffy said
King Lucem Ferre said
That post was a response to Bayareashaman but addressed your statement.i know.
and my response was to again call you a juggalo who doesnt call himself a juggalo. theres tons of ninjas just like you out there.
and thats no threat to your individuality, either. theres as much [or more] variety among those types, as the types that do self-apply the term. so, no, they arent ‘just’ like you. but theyre still more or less juggalos. like you.
I honestly don’t care whether or not I am a juggalo in denial. Your definition isn’t going to be the same as everybody other juggalo who can’t even agree on what the definition is. Whether or not I am a juggalo isn’t all that important, what is important to me is that I am me. And to me, I’m not a juggalo. It’s not hate, it’s not I’m better than juggalos, it’s just not me. I stand up for juggalos as much as I stand up for emos and hipsters and goth kids and every other culture that gets the same bullshit stigmas.
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King Lucem Ferre said
Whether or not I am a juggalo isn’t all that important, what is important to me is that I am me. And to me, I’m not a juggalo. It’s not hate, it’s not I’m better than juggalos, it’s just not me.
good.
still, gathering.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
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I’m saying him calling me gay and treating me that way for liking Kanye West goes against what juggalos claim to be. Which is a group of people that don’t judge based on superficial things.
And you’re not getting what I’m saying. The music is the core of the culture. If ICP isn’t what juggalos are then why is it the norm for juggalos to talk act and look like them? You can’t call every juggalo that paints their face and braids their hair a flake because that’s a large majority of juggalos. I’m saying it’s not as simple as fans of music because a simple fan isn’t going to dedicate their whole lives to that music. Like the difference between being a fan of Sex Pistols and being a full on punk rocker. A simple Sex Pistols fan isn’t as invested into the lyrics and style of a band as a punk rocker is. A punk rocker will mold their whole style and attitude based on the music while a simple fan of a punk music act won’t. That’s what I’m trying to say.
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King Lucem Ferre said
I’m saying him calling me gay and treating me that way for liking Kanye West goes against what juggalos claim to be.
juggalos claim lots.
say, whats the goin rate on a claim, these days?
a shit? half a shit?
oh, by the way, gathering.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
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One day, I will gather. I plan on it. But only if it’s with my homie Drewcifer.
Edit: and what the hell is in that Spoiler?
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One day, I will gather. I plan on it. But only if it’s with my homie Drewcifer.
i understand theyre havin one this year. hip your homie to it, too.
i get what youre sayin, somewhat. its as if you see [some] juggalos unhappy with the current state of things, but youre immune to it, cuz you werent a juggalo to begin with.
but seriously, flake is the word for anybody who is not bein themselves, but is bein some kind of violent-j-for-halloween-every-day-of-the-year twit because they think their cd player told them to. cmon, thats clearly a flake, juggalo or not.
thats the kinda person whose identity is affected by an unimpressive album.
hey, i like to rebel against the rebels, too. i dont whoop, no wicked shit tattoos, i find the whole family thing is abused more often than appreciated, and on and on blah blah.
at the end of the day, ‘juggalo’ is a hell of a lot closer to ‘me being me’, than anything else ive come across. and me disliking the missing link doesnt change that one percent.
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Edit: and what the hell is in that Spoiler?
can i assume that this means you have the same problem i was talkin bout? the unable to reveal spoilers bit?
@ganjagoblin, @psyral-infection… any ideas? i havent been able to figure out the cause.
oh, and, to answer your question, lucem…
a lot, actually.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
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Scruffy said:
we, are juggalos. music is almost incidental, at this point.
This. And the other part about being a Juggalo is kinda getting past the music. These are the way i understand our scene. We tend to decorate ourselves with icp (and etc) shit because it’s recognizable and because it’s tagged to memories and shit but i don’t know a single Juggalo who thinks of themselves as fans of icp primarily. Its more about being a fan of each other, i think. Which is why even though i can’t fuck with anything twiztid has put out in over ten years i still post their shit up and tell homies to check it out when new shit drops.
At the gathering i was telling shaman that the music is secondary to which he replied in other scenes that attitude would get you jumped. I think we had this talk because his girlfriend wasn’t into icps music but she was there having fun. And now she is a Juggalo even If she still doesn’t bump their music.
I met a lot of people who said they gather every year but that they never really listen to icp. Its weird. And it’s confusing because you think there’s this direct line towards iding as a Juggalo that starts with being 14 and hearing riddlebox or milenko but that was just the start for most of us old folks. It got the ball rolling.
I mean they are still kinda the center of it all but i think that’s just because they’re the loudest with it. If tech was calling himself a Juggalo in his mainstream songs you’d see more and more of his crowd claiming the name with nothing to do with icp.
Theres this girl. I want nothing more out of life than to take her to a gathering because she is such a Juggalo but she doesn’t know it yet and sitting her down with icp cds will only cloud her judgment. She likes cool music but the wicked shit ain’t in her heart.
And there’s some people who rep it, usually because of the music and only the music, and then they drop it because honestly the music ain’t anything special. It works for the most part. It’s interesting and catchy and funny and we connect with it, but it isn’t the end all be all. It never was. J and shaggy aren’t the best rappers out there. For a long time they weren’t even the best on the label. Mike ain’t shabby but he’s no dr. dre or whoever else makes those billion dollar beats. They sound great together and i can bump almost everything they’ve made but very little of it is truly hands down undeniably a notch above their contemporaries musically or lyrically (which isn’t to say that there isn’t something special in their music beyond aesthetics).
I’m rambling I’m gonna stop.
Oh and 86 man, 86 that homophobic shit. We are better than that.
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