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January 5, 2015
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LuckyNumbrXIII said
You guys realize there is no right answer. Atheism… Theism… none of us are right. It’s all faith. Even if your faith is not in God… you have faith… in something.
I don’t know if this has been adressed but that isn’t actually true. Being an atheist isn’t “having a belief in there not being a god” it’s “not having a belief in any gods”.
As a long time atheist, theists always say this and I have to wonder what they actually think they mean? Because it’s just so wrong that it hurts. I do not believe in anything. You said up stream that you’re an engineer so I’m assuming you know that science isn’t a thing that expects to always have the right answer. It’s a process, right? It’s a process that works and until it doesn’t, we’ll use it.
It’s not about faith in the process. It’s not about faith in the answers we think we have. If there were some way to test the claims of religious folks, we would love to do it and if we can confirm with any sort of accuracy the claims they make, we wouldn’t be atheists anymore.
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RobTidwell said
I really wish people would learn to see past the language they use and focus on what they’re actually talking about.
okay.
If you’re “lost”, it doesn’t mean that you don’t have god, it means that you’re struggling in a cycle of pain and you need to start being a better person so that you can find the link. If you’re “found”, it is important to not lose grasp of what it means to be lost because you may end up there again if your karmic balance falls the other way.
right. what you are actually talkin about is that i need to be a better person, or else ill struggle with pain cycles.
[remember, j specified the lost as lacking faith, salvation, belief in a higher power, and god. that isnt just hard times, that is ‘you dont have god’, to a tee. he also threw the cynics in, as if religious people arent ever cynical or sumn…]
thats not very cheery, a pretty terse and unflattering characterization.
and on top of that, i wholeheartedly disagree.
why should i get behind that concept, when a] i dont buy it, and b] it makes me out to be a bad person?
why should i be happy about it?
awfully paranoid, arent you?
4:18 am
January 5, 2015
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Psyral Infection said
In the Exclusive interview with Violent J in the Hatchet Herald, J said:2015 is the official year of the Juggalo.
What do you think about this being our official year? And why this year?
I think it’s a deflection. So many juggalos think the world is falling apart because of twiztid leaving and shit. he’s just trying to get people hype.
4:41 am
January 5, 2015
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scruffy said
RobTidwell said
I really wish people would learn to see past the language they use and focus on what they’re actually talking about.okay.
If you’re “lost”, it doesn’t mean that you don’t have god, it means that you’re struggling in a cycle of pain and you need to start being a better person so that you can find the link. If you’re “found”, it is important to not lose grasp of what it means to be lost because you may end up there again if your karmic balance falls the other way.
right. what you are actually talkin about is that i need to be a better person, or else ill struggle with pain cycles.
[remember, j specified the lost as lacking faith, salvation, belief in a higher power, and god. that isnt just hard times, that is ‘you dont have god’, to a tee. he also threw the cynics in, as if religious people arent ever cynical or sumn…]
thats not very cheery, a pretty terse and unflattering characterization.
and on top of that, i wholeheartedly disagree.
why should i get behind that concept, when a] i dont buy it, and b] it makes me out to be a bad person?
why should i be happy about it?
I’m going to go in reverse if that’s OK?
You don’t have to be happy about what he said. There’s nothing that says you gotta agree with him or accept his beliefs as valid. What I was saying was that you shouldn’t put words in his mouth and make what he said an attack on you. He didn’t say “You’re an atheist so you’re miserable.” He said “if you are miserable, you need to find what ever your link is.” Those are implied not direct quotes, obviously, but it’s what he’s saying. For him, his link is his idea of ‘God’. The Carnival is GOD, right? He has always specifically talked about HIS idea of God, not a strictly religious interpretation of what ‘God’ is. He says, “You gotta have God” but then he corrects himself and says, “I don’t mean any religion, I mean faith.” And then corrects himself again and says HOPE. Hope is not an inherently religious idea.
That’s fine. You don’t have to get behind the idea. You can complain about the idea all you want. I specifically just wish people would stop reading it as some attack on atheism when it seems clear to me that he isn’t saying that. It also doesn’t say that you’re a bad person for being an atheist. he’s saying if you’re a bad person (or if your life is hell) then you need to find your link. He says you gotta ask yourself if your link is found. He isn’t calling out people. he isn’t naming off people who he is calling “lost” and the MOMENT a juggalo tries to call me lost for not believing in god as a literal truth, I will drag them like a mother fucker because that is not the point.
I disagree too. I don’t believe in any kind of Karmic balancing act. I disagreed with the Jeckel Brothers and the Ringmaster, and really all of the Joker’s Cards because they’re (like any religion) a story meant to teach a lesson. I like the mythological nature of their work so I’m hype as fuck to hear more, but that doesn’t mean I agree with it all.
J literally says (I don’t remember if it was the interview or on the juggalo show) that he OFTEN feels like he doesn’t have his link. He’s saying that cynical people (and I believe he is misusing the term to be people who are hateful) are trapped in that cycle of pain that he is talking about. When he’s feeling bad, when he’s being “cynical” and depressed, he finds that he’s feeding into the negativity that comes back to haunt him and when he isn’t, when he’s putting positive energy out there, his life seems to improve. He has never cared if juggalos believed in his version of god and he isn’t starting now. He’s saying that if you have HOPE then your life looks better from the inside and FOR HIM that comes from his god (which is, to him, the source of the Dark Carnival stories he’s always told).
Not exactly. What I’m saying is that J is basically saying that if you feel down, look at what you’re doing and try to bring positive energy around you. I don’t know shit about your life. I don’t know literally thing one about you as I don’t think we’ve ever really talked and I’m somewhat new here. I don’t think J thinks that there is some automatic equation and that religious people are always happier, either. The LINK isn’t religion. The LINK isn’t “god”. It’s whatever helps you NOT feel lost. For a lot of us, that’s the juggalo family. For me, it’s making art and doing social justice activism. For someone else around here it might be snorting coke and fucking hookers. For you, it could be reading the God delusion. For a homie of mine it’s Harry Potter fandom. It’s up to you, if you’re feeling lost to find it.
At least, that’s my understanding of what he was saying.
4:50 am
January 5, 2015
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LuckyNumbrXIII said
Speaking of which.
4 videos for each album? Yes please. You guys think they’ll call the Deka Bros. again?
Did he say 4 videos for each album? I didn’t read that anywhere but I am dyslexic and sorta skim the parts that aren’t really interesting to me.
He said on the juggalo show that there probably won’t be any videos for the (lost) album because it’s a lot more in your face and speaks for itself. I’m down with either. And the Deka Brothers straight up killed it on the Chris Benoit video. I still think it’s the best video they’ve ever done.
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January 5, 2015
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scruffy said
Slumerican502 said
I gotta disagree on that one. It isn’t acceptable to not have visuals with your albums in this new youtube age we live in. They could have done a lot more for ’em. I guess it’s possible that was twiztids fault though and not the company. Maybe twiztid wasn’t out pushing themselves as much as they could have. I just have always assumed its the record companies job to do all that PR shit.That’s another convo that’s been done to death on here though so I’ll just leave it at that.
complete speculation here [fuckin disclaimers…], but they always struck me as the types who would just show up and be like, ‘we wanna do a video, so hook it up!’ not considering that it takes time, planning, effort, and money. and that it was their responsibility to bring them about.
either way, they surely know it now.
I definitely agree and I think that’s why Majik Ninja is so slow moving. They’ve been talking about shit for a while now that just hasn’t really happened. I think they get hyped on an idea and their “twiztid cloud” that they talk about is forever blowing cool ideas around and they just don’t land.
I’m glad they’re off psy because I want to see what they can do when it’s up to them but so far I ain’t seeing anything that’s blowing me away. I hope that changes. I want to see them really do some shit that fucks me up.
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RobTidwell said
I really wish people would learn to see past the language they use and focus on what they’re actually talking about.okay.
If you’re “lost”, it doesn’t mean that you don’t have god, it means that you’re struggling in a cycle of pain and you need to start being a better person so that you can find the link. If you’re “found”, it is important to not lose grasp of what it means to be lost because you may end up there again if your karmic balance falls the other way.
right. what you are actually talkin about is that i need to be a better person, or else ill struggle with pain cycles.
[remember, j specified the lost as lacking faith, salvation, belief in a higher power, and god. that isnt just hard times, that is ‘you dont have god’, to a tee. he also threw the cynics in, as if religious people arent ever cynical or sumn…]
thats not very cheery, a pretty terse and unflattering characterization.
and on top of that, i wholeheartedly disagree.
why should i get behind that concept, when a] i dont buy it, and b] it makes me out to be a bad person?
why should i be happy about it?
Dude, the clearly overriding point of ‘lost’, that J explained was actually feeling lost and in despair. When he talked about faith in god it was like an example of how a person could find their link, not that’s the only way that you can find it. That’s how I clearly saw it. Too many people are too cynical around here.
Even if he does believe faith in god is the only way to find your link, which I highly doubt he does, so fucking what. Deal with it. I don’t like murderer’s but they rap a lot about killing and I still love their shit.
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RobTidwell said
I’m going to go in reverse if that’s OK?
i dont make the rules. same token, im gonna chop up what you said a lil, since i only wanna respond to some of it, and the rest is, as you say,
At least, that’s my understanding of what he was saying.
You don’t have to get behind the idea. You can complain about the idea all you want.
thats good, cuz i dont. and yeah, most likely ill be complaining. i wouldnt, but im expecting to hear shit slung. more shit slung.
I specifically just wish people would stop reading it as some attack on atheism when it seems clear to me that he isn’t saying that. It also doesn’t say that you’re a bad person for being an atheist.
im not half as worried about j attackin me as i am about other juggalos attackin me. lucky charged in without a second thought, so random juggalos who dont know me could easily end up bein more of a frustration than they already are.
he’s saying if you’re a bad person (or if your life is hell) then you need to find your link. He says you gotta ask yourself if your link is found. He isn’t calling out people. he isn’t naming off people who he is calling “lost”
we wont know that til it drops. or he spells it out earlier.
and the MOMENT a juggalo tries to call me lost for not believing in god as a literal truth, I will drag them like a mother fucker because that is not the point.
what if eighty percent of the juggalos around you think that is the point?
there was plenty of shit slung around after shangrila. and, in my opinion, it cost us a lot of cool juggalos, and all we got for it was ten years of family kid bullshit. that herd hasnt gone anywhere, just gotten older.
He’s saying that cynical people (and I believe he is misusing the term to be people who are hateful)
perhaps. he is not noted for his strong command of vocabulary.
Not exactly. What I’m saying is that J is basically saying that if you feel down, look at what you’re doing and try to bring positive energy around you.
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I don’t think J thinks that there is some automatic equation and that religious people are always happier, either. The LINK isn’t religion. The LINK isn’t “god”. It’s whatever helps you NOT feel lost.
that, is definitely an interpretation; and it doesnt really jive with js statements. hes pretty obviously talkin religion. higher power, faith, salvation, even hope, are not terms that find themselves next to each other outside of spiritual context.
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If you live in the dark without faith, “The Missing Link” will ignore you. Your link will be missing, he won’t come to you because you live without hope. He will hide from you behind his mask. He will avoid you. Your link will be missing, you will not be grounded, you will not be complete. Instead you will be lost, in a freefall going nowhere. But if you can somehow find faith, truly in your heart, if you can find salvation somehow in today’s day and age… if you can find faith in a higher power, of any religion, if you live with hope, he will come to you, he will come to you and complete your link. You will be found. You will be grounded.
no faith = lost, ungrounded, and incomplete.
faith in a higher power [of a religion, specified] = found, grounded, and complete.
however he meant it, he is certainly not simply saying, ‘dont worry, be happy’, or ‘look on the bright side’.
im a cynic, a stone agnostic, and i feel faith is extremely overrated. hes literally tellin me that those things mean im hopeless and unhappy. but, if i do something i know i dont wanna do [and which would be miserable to me], then ill be ‘grounded’ [if not happy].
religious folk always think they are doin someone a favor, tryin to ‘bring them to god’. but i consider that more of a harassment, than a favor. cuz i dont want it.
all well and good, i can just not bump the album, right? but what if this becomes, as i said before, the company line? what if juggalos start havin an expectation that all juggalos should be ‘found’? dont brush that off; remember, family kids are still fuckin constantly tellin their ‘family’ how to be juggalos. they are nothin but expectation. this could be even worse.
you know, about the only expectation ive ever had about my fellow juggalos, is that they should not be racist. and im regularly disappointed. not only are there way too many racist juggalos out there, some of them are real hyper-racist pieces of ratshit.
meanwhile juggalos have expected an awful lot of ridiculous shit from me. i gotta whoop back, or im not family. i gotta let em bum smokes, or im not family. i gotta take a juggalos side for everything, no matter how obnoxious they act, cuz they are family.
that aint family, thats institutionalization. i wouldnt wanna be a part of a family that thinks like that.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
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would you please, pleeease refrain from lumping me in with other people?
you know, quite fuckin well, im not doin what you seem to think im doin to you.
LuckyNumbrXIII said
I’m sorry, man but it really just seems like you folks want to misinterpret J, no matter what he says. When I say, “You’re either with us or forget is,” is J’s response to our response to Thy Unveiling, I’m ridiculed mercilessly. When I say J isn’t telling you what to believe in, just that he wants you to believe in something, again I’m ridiculed by like, 99% of the message board.
firstly, those two things have nothin to do with each other.
secondly, as i just pointed out, im not mercilessly ridiculin shit. you thrown out a lot more ridicule than i have. and cryin victim way louder, too.
third[ly], 99%? more like ten. five. seriously, you keep sayin shit like that, it shows where the persecution complex lies. cuz really, thats mainly what youve been harpin on, being personally reamed. you havent been. [well, lucem, but whatever…]
fourthly, i dont want to believe in ‘something’. get it? he wants me to do something i dont want to do. gimme a good reason why i should play along. a good reason, not just cuz you agree with it.
fifthly, i dont want to misinterpret him, but he spoke that shit, and even the loosest interpretations in this thread are still no great shakes to me. but im not the j hater around here; how you got that impression escapes me. not payin enough attention, i guess.
What I’ve been saying…? Everything that you guys seem to think is being done to you, you’re actually doing to people like me?
if you really think that, youre deluded. and/or paranoid. echoing lucem, your tactic of assigning the shit that you do to other people doesnt work, cuz it happened the other way around. especially when you include me, cuz i answer for no one elses opinion.
im not persecuting you. continuing to pretend that i am is, honestly, a lil bit of a fuckin insult.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
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Good Morning! What’s up on this fine spring morning…. Oh wait, most of you ninjas are north of me and probably not in “shorts” weather.
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Psyral Infection said
Good Morning! What’s up on this fine spring morning…. Oh wait, most of you ninjas are north of me and probably not in “shorts” weather.
it’s a warm 13 degrees here in upstate New York! Warmest it has been in days.
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LuckyNumbrXIII said
This topic is stale.I’m not even like, 5% of the amount concerned with it as you all think I am.
I dunno, that’s your missing link. “Lucky’s so upset!” I’m not. I close my laptop, browse out of it on my phone. I just want to have a discussion about ICP here. Without reading anyone’s , yes scruffy including yours, thoughts on why Christians turn to God for hope. Talk about putting words and thoughts into people’s minds. That’s the shit that turns me off and makes me snap back. Christians need brownie points to make them feel good about themselves. The fuck is that? Seriously? That’s why you think Christians do good deeds? I don’t care WHO says what. Nobody should be projecting it. So, you constantly going, “Well, I didn’t say it, don’t blame me!” means nothing. You’re an enabler. The so-called good cop that doesn’t speak out when you see the rest of the cops doing bad. That’s why these sites need mods. It’s all well and good when people participate in the circle jerk, but when you have someone that doesn’t agree with you, this will happen. EVERY time. If you don’t want to moderate, then that’s fine. But don’t kvetch about how all your topics are derailed and people argue all the time.
okay, you are delusional, cuz i said not one of those things, but you say its my fault anyway. you gotta be fuckin with me.
‘enabler’. come back to planet fuckin earth.
if you wanted me to moderate somethin, you shoulda spoke on it. meantime, me having the word ‘moderator’ under my name entitles you to nothing [me, either]. this is the shit you and i have talked about before: people expect me to behave a certain way, cuz im a ‘mod’. well, thats very wrong.
what exactly happened, that happens EVERY time it isnt a circle jerk? i ‘enable’ people? i do as i do; the people can make up their own fuckin minds.
i will bloody well kvetch about whatever the hell i want to kvetch about. you do [more extensively, in fact], so why the fuck am i not allowed to? no bullshit, why can i not have an opinion, yet i have to defend yours through some mysterious variety of moderation?
hey psyral, prj! quit fuckin around with the weather reports and do some moderating shit! dont you see?
and its nice to know that while youve been goin on about this, you really, actually didnt care. id have been significantly happier about things if it was deep personal interest motivating it. to see that youre just doin it… for whatever reason, and that you dont even care… damn.
this topic is stale.
its also the topic of the next two icp albums.
so, i have a feeling that youre gonna see more discussion about it, rather than less.
fuckin ‘enabler’. ‘if you dont want to moderate…’ for real, moderate what?
thats all crap. flat out.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
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Psyral Infection said
Good Morning! What’s up on this fine spring morning…. Oh wait, most of you ninjas are north of me and probably not in “shorts” weather.
Oh, I’m sure it’s nice and warm down there @psyral-infection , while I gotta shovel my driveway here soon.
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scruffy said
hey psyral, prj! quit fuckin around with the weather reports and do some moderating shit! dont you see?
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You taught me how to moderate so it’s all on you. :P
For me, I only delete spam posts and just make sure people don’t post links to copyrighted stuff, porn, or rick-rolls. Everything else is A-OK!
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Psyral Infection said
scruffy said
hey psyral, prj! quit fuckin around with the weather reports and do some moderating shit! dont you see?
…You taught me how to moderate so it’s all on you. :P
For me, I only delete spam posts and just make sure people don’t post links to copyrighted stuff, porn, or rick-rolls. Everything else is A-OK!
so… what youre sayin is… youre an enabler…?
no kvetching, then.
actually, you dont really kvetch much, do you?
do you speak out when the rest of the cops do bad? [whoever the hell the rest of the cops are supposed to be…]
awfully paranoid, arent you?
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scruffy said
.. me having the word ‘moderator’ under my name entitles you to nothing [me, either]. this is the shit you and i have talked about before: people expect me to behave a certain way, cuz im a ‘mod’. well, thats very wrong.
Fuck role-models. Props to the FLH janitorial staff. This video rocks.
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krunkazphuk said
… the FLH janitorial staff.
i like that. thanks.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
10:32 am
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krunkazphuk said
Fuck role-models. Props to the FLH janitorial staff. …
Yep. We’re not cops. Just the guys with keys to the janitorial closet.
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im no victim. you aint gonna make me out to be one.
your entire response missed the point.
and again, what happens every time it isnt a circle jerk, and what moderating were you expecting of me?
awfully paranoid, arent you?
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LuckyNumbrXIII said
Yeah, okay. That’s a circlejerk, man.
that shit aint got nothin to do with me.
As far as moderation… honestly, Lucem needs to get a fucking ass kicking. And since I have no idea who he really is or where he’s from, the next best thing would be to moderate his posts. I’m not the first one that has had to block him. He harasses people on here. I’ve had to stop posting for days, weeks, months at a time because I knew as soon as I did, he’d be there to harass me. Like, I agree moderation should be reserved for extreme cases, but honestly, I think he is a huge detriment to the forums and counts for an extreme case. Whether he said something you agreed with once or not.
so why the fuck didnt you demand action before chewin on me for not acting? im supposed to take it on myself to swat him? cuz that shit always works out real well…
@lucem-ferre – knock it the fuck off.
Alas, these are your forums, I’m just a visitor really.
oh please. these are not my forums, and thats just a straight jackass thing to say. bitch material.
And I could leave and you’d all carry on fine without me. But I mean, if you want all of your discussions to stay civil, you might want to start with a better foundation than you did with this one. The only reason it was “civil before Lucky got here” was because you all agreed with each other. You were all just patting each other on the back for pointing out how annoying pious people, and people who believe in God are. As soon as I came in and disagreed, it turned into shit slinging, finger pointing, and name calling.
well, apparently, yours is the minority opinion after all, according to what you say. maybe your foundations were fucked up. take a look.
and… you just fuckin did it again. you did not see me patting anybody on their back for pointing out how pious believers are annoying. you did not see that shit, you fuckin made it up. if its faulty memory, go read my shit again. if its just to be an ass, then fuck you back.
at this point, you are feigning stupidity to cover up for ignorance. have your lil ‘woe is me’ thing. but keep me the fuck out of your part, i aint takin the blame for your frailty.
start bein specific on who you shittalk, you wont look like youre shittalkin everybody. [‘all of you’=everybody, which includes me]
have a blessed day.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
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