The whole point is that a girl shouldn’t have to be afraid to show a little skin because there are rapists. Yes, pretty girls with less clothing are more likely to get raped just like wealthy people are more likely to get robbed. That doesn’t make any of those victims at all guilty. If I’m wearing a shirt that says “I kill cops” then I should expect a bit more attention from police. If I cut my pants down like short shorts in prison than perhaps I am a bit accountable for getting raped. But dressing like a “thug” or like a “slut” in my own personal life shouldn’t be done with the fear of harassment or rape or anything. I feel this situation isn’t just pure black and white though. There is a very small grey area.

I get your point, but I don’t think anybody should have to conform to ignorance. Like, if I listen to ICP I am more likely to be considered stupid or to be harassed by people that hate juggalos. Should I stop listening to ICP then? Fuck no.

i agree how you dress dose affect how people react to you.

i dress like a bum, i know i look homeless some days, but i do it for a reason. i may live in a nice neighborhood, but i do have to venture into some less then desirable areas quite often. i know that if i wore nice new cloths, $300 shoes and a Rolex, i would be asking to get robed. so i keep old, stained, ripped cloths. and when i walk though these places nobody gives me a second look. now when i wear said outfits around where i live i get dirty looks and i hear whispered comments about how i look. (but i don’t want to talk to these people anyway so it keeps people from bothering me, win win in my eyes XD)

so what you wear should be directly related to what you are doing, if you are going out to a place where shit heads hang out and get drunk, ie.. clubs/bars, a woman should look in the mirror and think about what reaction they are going to get. if you aren’t going out looking for sex, witch some of them are, they should dress a little more conservatively, is it right? no, but that’s the way it is.

now for the record i believe rapists should be slowly and painfully castrated and left to bleed out, but my daddy taught me to respect a women, and it makes my skin crawl to see them treated without respect.

 i feel i had to quote that, unless someone got the bright idea that i support ‘boys will be boys’. even if i was ‘victim blaming, i would still say lynch the rapist. theres no need for that shit. goto a glory hole.

Yeah, exactly… I’m not defending a rapist. I’m not minimizing the wrongness of the act. There are few more horrid acts a human can inflict upon another. Regardless of what a victim was wearing, it doesn’t make it right or excuse the act, not one iota.

krunkazphuk said
For things to change maybe they need to be recognized and challenged, not written off as expected or natural human behavior. Rolling over with the attitude “that’s just how the world is” is a dead beat.

Sentence one I agree with. Sentence two, not so much. What do you propose we do, all five or so of us participating in this discussion, to change the status quo? In what way to do you expect our internet message board discussion to change the attitudes, actions, and perceptions of the billions of people we share this planet with?

I don’t see my view on the subject to be apathy. Nor do I see it as acceptance of “the way it is”. It’s more of a recognition that there’s nothing I can do to change things.

Actually, on second thought, I could make the argument that my standpoint stands more of a chance to prevent a rape or two than yours… Think about it… Pointing out to women that the way they dress, or where they choose to go drinking, or the fact that they drink themself unconscious, that all these factors could contribute to them being sexually assaulted. That changing any one, or all three, of these factors, could decrease the possibility of rape.

Seriously… Address a group of women, and tell them what I just typed. Then address a group of men and say “Don’t rape chicks!”

Which is going to have more impact/effect?

scruffy said
what would have the greater effect, would be women learning to defend themselves properly.  not that fakeass ‘airline safety procedure card’-looking tripe that they usually see, but how to actually put up a strong defense against an aggressor.  

and it is true that dressing anonymously is a good tactic…  but just one of many tactics, and a very, very minor one, at that.  

 

easiest thing that will significantly improve a womans odds of not being raped, is learn to use a weapon.  and carry it, of course.  

and, to be sure, learn to defend against weapons, while youre at it.  

 

[edit]  typo fix.  

this i agree with. while Australian gun laws are a lot stricter than the USA, it is legal (i believe, citation needed) to carry capsicum spray (pepper was banned like ten years ago are several people died from inhaling too much) and while not legal to carry a knife, as long as your not going into a club then i don’t see a problem. 

i live in a relatively ‘bad’ area, so i used to carry my hunting knife in my car, but a cop confiscated it when they searched my car looking for drugs(because i used to dress and look like a drug dealer) so now i carry i small baseball bat under my seat and a Tyre iron under my wife’s seat. 

I also know how to defend myself against knives and blunt weapons when unarmed. but i did take classes for that. i grew up running from bigger tougher and scarier people than me, no dissimilar to ‘why i carry’.

XombieKing said
I think what we need to do is reconstruct our education System. from the age of 5 kids should be learning survival technique how to use to use the human body in various scenarious prepping them for life it might sound wierd but srsly why not try to be the best we can be it only happens when we start like it should be manditory that kids know how to defend themselfs and save othere thru combat without killing but pacifying the situation…mabye I’m crazy but if humans started thinking proactively we would evolve into wiser stronger beings …

i think that is treading dangerously close to creating a militant environment.

i think you are right that education needs to be addressed, but i am not so naive that i believe that is a solution to the issue. some people (and no i am not making this as an excuse) are genetically geared towards certain things and there will always be someone who will take said survival techniques and use them towards a negative end and there will always be an oppurtunity seeker looking to take advatnage of a ‘helpless’ person (unconcious drunk, or alone in the street).

Its a tough issue. i believe that women should take real self defense courses and carry protection equipment. but at the end of the day, i still stand by my actions have consequences. the world is not a nice place to live in.

Novocaine, The Elusive said 
And standing there screaming at people ‘ITS WRONG ITS WRONG ITS WRONG’ … if its in your power to change those things, shouldnt you take some preventive measures? lucem said he will never stop listening to icp, but would that change if things got so significantly bad that by being a juggalo publically got you shot at…

Who’s screaming? I wear my hatchetman under my clothes in Texas since cops came to my house and questioned my family about being gang members. I’ll adapt to anything. I do show up at the Gathering pit and scream ‘FUCK THE FBI’ with middle fingers in the air, because I mean it. Not trying to change anyone else’s mind. Just exchanging ideas.

Novocaine, The Elusive said
…And no I dont think yhere is any real outcome in this discussion where someone will have an epiphany a d say fuck I completely change my view. But it is fun.
 
  

I’ve had an epiphany. I suddenly and profoundly realized that I don’t think humans are doomed. For some it might be easier to think we’re doomed so that they can give up. 

krunkazphuk said

Novocaine, The Elusive said
…And no I dont think yhere is any real outcome in this discussion where someone will have an epiphany a d say fuck I completely change my view. But it is fun.
 
  

I’ve had an epiphany. I suddenly and profoundly realized that I don’t think humans are doomed. For some it might be easier to think we’re doomed so that they can give up. 

Even in the broadest sense possible, how aren’t we doomed? I mean, all this stuff aside, the planet is a few thousand years late in deciding to get rid of us in the first place… And that, too, we have zero control over.

I argue that the human race has been doomed since we first walked upright.