King Lucem Ferre said

And I’m not saying “who cares” I care enough to discuss it. I also care enough to pay attention to it. What I’m saying is why do you feel entitled to know shit that isn’t your business?

Spooky asked the same question, I don’t think “entitled” is the right word but I hear your point. Kind of related to you caring/not caring/, to some Juggalos there absolutely is an emotional investment in all of this. I’m not “entitled” to know about my friend leaving their wife but if they put the shit out there I’m going to care and have an opinion because it’s my friend. You not being a Juggalo means you don’t have the same connection with that friend. Make sense?

And why is that your deciding factor on which art to support?  

Eh, I guess I’ll take my leave now and let you and Cheshyr go back and forth because I actually don’t give a shit about the personal lives thing. I didn’t like Twiztid/YW before and I still don’t. My only point was that it’s impossible for you to see it the same way as Juggalos because you’re not as deeply invested in it. So I’ll shut up now.  

King Lucem Ferre said

I know that, what I don’t know is does that mean ICP can’t anymore?  

I would imagine so. And even if psy tried, mne could under cut them. 

CellE2057 said

King Lucem Ferre said

And I’m not saying “who cares” I care enough to discuss it. I also care enough to pay attention to it. What I’m saying is why do you feel entitled to know shit that isn’t your business?

Spooky asked the same question, I don’t think “entitled” is the right word but I hear your point. Kind of related to you caring/not caring/, to some Juggalos there absolutely is an emotional investment in all of this. I’m not “entitled” to know about my friend leaving their wife but if they put the shit out there I’m going to care and have an opinion because it’s my friend. You not being a Juggalo means you don’t have the same connection with that friend. Make sense?

And why is that your deciding factor on which art to support?  

Eh, I guess I’ll take my leave now and let you and Cheshyr go back and forth because I actually don’t give a shit about the personal lives thing. I didn’t like Twiztid/YW before and I still don’t. My only point was that it’s impossible for you to see it the same way as Juggalos because you’re not as deeply invested in it. So I’ll shut up now.    

I obviously am invested into the culture if I’m still here… 

And this attitude is not exclusive to juggalos. Any die hard fan gets like that. Watch how many Kid Cudi fans turn on Lupe. Or hell, the east vs west coast beef.

I understand wanting to know, but demanding to know is where it goes far. Because it’s not anybodies right to know. Even with my friends, if I have two friends get into a fight I will want to know why. But I won’t demand to know why. And it won’t change who I’m friends with. Unless one of them rapes the other or something really really fucked up. But that is much much more personal than the lives of artists. My connection is with the art more than the artist. Though, it does suck to know that an artist can be a shady piece of shit. At the same time I understood the possibility that all of them are humans flawed like the rest of us anyways.

I’ve already made up my mind on how it should work.

And you still fail to tell me why it’s a big deal other than it’s how things work.

scruffy said

nyah nana nyahhh nyahhh…  you dont get to know things…  pfbbbbt!

  

i told.  you failed to compute.  

or you claim such.  either way, effect is identical.  

  

zall good.  

unless you get a record deal.  or try to, i mean.  

heh.    

From what I’ve been reading giving exclusive ownership of your masters to a record label is a bad idea. That only major labels demand this these days. Especially since times have changed. And I’ve also read about lots of artists owning their masters and giving specific rights to different labels. Like one label only handling marketing in north america while another handles it in europe and another handles it in Japan.

Assuming they gave up the masters and they completely belong to Twiztid now, it means ICP can’t make any money off of them, can’t put their music in their own videos or put their music in movies or anything like that and make money off of it. Only Twiztid can license the music out. It’s a shitty business deal on ICP’s part but if they are supposed to be the family or homies then I don’t see why it’s a big deal.

On the subject of undermining Lucem’s opinions because he isn’t a Juggalo, and this is a true story…

I’ve been listening to Bloodstepp’s Skinwalker Ranch since it dropped. Lucem’s verse on Aliens and Corpses is my favorite verse on that album. Thing is, I just today realized by glancing at my phone at the right moment that this is the dude who raps on that track. I didn’t know. I’m a relative noob here and I don’t know that guy from a can of Spaghetti-O’s, but I know what I like.

The reason I point this out is because that verse is an intelligent assessment of the controversial underpinnings of horrorcore culture, which Juggalos are tied heavily to. A lot of what is said still applies. Anybody with that kind of insight shouldn’t be written off lightly as ‘not getting it’, just because he might not have the fanboy cred or sense of brand loyalty of your typical Juggalo. It’s actually refreshing to have somebody in the trenches with us who isn’t effected on a personal level by the internal politics, a counterweight to the borderline religious devotion and infallibility others tend to place on the artists. I’d even go so far as to grant him quarter to speak from the perspective of an artist without being too cynical about it.

I don’t agree with dude on a lot of things he says, but I think the perspective he brings is valuable.

Lucem is out of our atmospheres. Fuckin’, no one knows what’s about to hit em when they hear the “Lucem Ferre” tag on his tracks. He’s unfuckwitable. Dare I quote a popular rap song, “I’m on a new level, I’m on a new level”. That’s Lucem. In J’s words about Twiztid, “if I was on their dick any harder, I’d be a condom”. That’s me to Lucem. I shown my dad Lucem’s shit recently, he likes metal n shit, Iron Maiden, Slayer, whatnot, n he agrees that Lucem puts out the darkest wickedest shit out there, and no one even KNOWS about Lucem yet. Even Lucem’s techno dance rave music shit fuckin’ hits, and I don’t even listen to that kinda music much, but he does it right. 

As for this ICP n Twiztid shit, shit man, I don’t know. @dcfaygoguy made a point that he’s just gonna stick to strictly music and not even care about the bullshit, which is a good point. But, when all they talk about is, “it’s more than just music”, it’s like I’m lost in an acid trip when I try to stick by both points. 

How do I feel about Twiztid?  I like them.  See, easy as that, simple as that.  I like Twiztid

Carry on

we been sayin theres beef this whole time and yall didn’t wanna believe it.

Twiztids dope, and will always be dope. fuck the beef shit, and politics.

I love those fools. I don’t agree with all their decisions and such but that’s their life. As long as they make good music I’m down