I had to give out a whoop for that one. Few things though.

And the statistics prove that you are STILL 3 times more likely to get killed by a cop if you are black.

They also account for a hugely disproportionate amount of murder. There are cases where cops(you pictured a white dude when you read cop didn’t ya?) does straight up wrongly murder a man that doesn’t deserve to be killed. But the statistics don’t lie. Sometimes it IS just a thug that is doing shit you should NEVER do when you are around a cop….Like aiming a gun….. I fucking hate cops too when I’m breaking a law. In no circumstance would I ever give one a reason to think he needs to pull his gun on me

On top of that how many innocent people of any other race do you know are killed compared to innocent black people?

No clue, the media doesn’t report on it. Not at a national level.

 

Also, if they abolished the second amendment you know plenty of you would become criminals. Plenty of you said you’d fight back. And if there are protests about the second amendment being abolished you know damn well they would be put together by criminals. By people breaking the law because they refuse to give their guns. So this whole rhetoric of people not being good leaders because they broke the law once is fucking stupid. If anything I thought you were going to bring up the fact that some of the founders have condoned violence on police and white people which I’d easily rebuttal with the fact that even though they sparked the movement they don’t speak for the whole movement. They aren’t actual leaders. BLM isn’t some club with an initiation ceremony and a hand shake or an official uniform. I know for a fact that most of the movement wants a peaceful outcome, that most of them just want some kind of change with how authorities do things. You have to understand the pain and frustration that comes with what is happening and the fact that the peaceful protests aren’t doing anything, people just keep shrugging it off. It’s not about that one criminal, it’s about feeling trapped and hopeless. Call it a victim culture all you want, but I see what they are fighting for, and what you guys fight for. If BLM are victims than you guys are the whiny spoiled emo kid that just wants attention.  

I can think of nothing that would bring the races together quicker than this scenario right here

I just want to add that white people aren’t the only people that are racist…obvious I know.

The dude in Dallas that killed those cops wanted to kill some white dudes. straight up. He saw white people as the enemy.

MANY of these BLM do.

What seems like systematic racism isn’t really so, but some folks don’t see it that way.

You talk about black people getting harsher sentences, I think of the crack vs coke sentences differential. It isn’t targeted towards black people, It’s targeted towards lower class citizens. Latinos and whites are included in this. It just seems like it is geared towards black people because there are more of them in these areas.

King Lucem Ferre said

86 said
I am so tired of hearing that from you. WE GET IT LUCEM. YOU ARE SO MUCH MORE AWESOME THAN ALL OF US BECAUSE YOU AREN’T A LOWLY JUGGALO LIKE THE REST OF US. GO AWAY. GO THROW YOUR DIAMOND UP ILLUMINATI TRASH.

You’re a fucking hypocrite. 

This from a guy who says he isn’t a Juggalo, and yet is an active member on a Juggalo website! Ain’t that some pot calling the kettle black. You, Lucem, are the fucking hypocrite. 

Slumerican502 said
I had to give out a whoop for that one. Few things though.

I can think of nothing that would bring the races together quicker than this scenario right here

 

I just want to add that white people aren’t the only people that are racist…obvious I know.

The dude in Dallas that killed those cops wanted to kill some white dudes. straight up. He saw white people as the enemy.

MANY of these BLM do.

What seems like systematic racism isn’t really so, but some folks don’t see it that way.

You talk about black people getting harsher sentences, I think of the crack vs coke sentences differential. It isn’t targeted towards black people, It’s targeted towards lower class citizens. Latinos and whites are included in this. It just seems like it is geared towards black people because there are more of them in these areas.  

This isn’t just about flat out racism, that dude in Dallas was not representative of the movement. That whole protest was peaceful and they were even taking pictures with the cops and then the shooter started killing cops when the protest died down and the whole fucking protest got blamed even though those cops were trying to protect the protesters as soon as the shots were fired. That’s what’s fucked up. You guys only see the black supremacists that are not representative at all of the whole movement.

It is systematic racism when black people are known to get harsher sentences for the same crimes. Not harsher sentences for different crimes but the same exact crimes. That is systematic racism. It is an underlying prejudice that resides in the subconscious of this country that sees black people as violent criminals. And it’s not just white people, it’s the whole country including other black people that see black people as violent criminals. Even with that class issue you have to ask yourself why minorities are more likely to be lower class than white people?

One thing that’s gotta stop is that we gotta stop lumping the bad apples with the whole movement. Because the black supremacists and the cop killers are not representative of the whole movement. They are not.They are not even most of the movement. The movement is not a cult or a club or an organization. It’s a bunch of people that are sick of people, most being black, not getting justice when they are killed by cops. That’s what it is. Now yes, there are people in those protests that want to kill white people and want to kill cops, but there are also white people in those protests and there are also people that want peace. There are people that are taking pictures with the cops in those protests. How is all the good and all the peace that’s wanted get dismissed by a few? Especially by juggalos who are sick of being lumped in with the meth heads and the criminals, the killers, the shooters and the ones that think it is a gang. It’s bullshit propaganda. So separate the two the same way you can separate criminal juggalos from yourselves.

Oh, and remember that me and the rest of the traveling men are always watching.

Even with that class issue you have to ask yourself why minorities are more likely to be lower class than white people?

Theres the million dollar question right there. One i’m not nearly smart enough to answer. If I were to guess, I’d say if you go back in history youd find its always been hard to rise out of the class you were born into .

Just to be clear, I do see the separation between the extremism and the rest of the movement. I am agreeing with both you and 86 to a certain extent, because he makes a bunch of good points also.

Many facets to this thing here to consider. You can’t really argue against what you are saying.

A bunch of good discussion in this old thread too:

https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/…..r-thought/

Slumerican502 said
Theres the million dollar question right there. One i’m not nearly smart enough to answer. If I were to guess, I’d say if you go back in history youd find its always been hard to rise out of the class you were born into .

And that in bold is the concept of white privileged.

King Lucem Ferre said

First off, I consider this an underground music site. Second, that doesn’t make me a hypocrite, you uneducated two digit number. Learn what words mean before you through them around.  

I am well aware what the definition of hypocrite is, thanks. I am quite educated by the way. No college or anything. Self taught mostly. A library is a fun and resourceful place, visit one sometime. 

Childish insulting aside, let’s make it plain. You find it to be an insult that I disagree with your views, right? Well my views are mine, and yours are yours. We’re just going to have to learn to respect each other. You condone the violence that is spreading, right? You think it to be justified. As you said earlier, you hope the whole country burns or you said something along those lines. I am aware of the deeper long repressed issues behind the actions of the rioters. What I’m trying to get across is inflicting harm amongst innocent people who had nothing to do with why blacks are outraged, and burning and blowing up property is not the right way to go about things. All it does, is give more political ammo for racists of all levels in society to justify their belief that blacks are a criminal race, which is wrong. But it won’t seem like they’re wrong if this kind of chaos is allowed to continue.

You know who I can get behind? James T Harris. That man makes so much sense, it’s scary.

https://youtu.be/yTr6LyJiQ0s

86 said

I am well aware what the definition of hypocrite is, thanks. I am quite educated by the way. No college or anything. Self taught mostly. A library is a fun and resourceful place, visit one sometime. 

Well you used the word wrong. Now, if I said juggalos suck and I’d never want to associate with them then I’d be a hypocrite, but I just said I’m not a juggalo. That does not make me a hypocrite.

Childish insulting aside, let’s make it plain. You find it to be an insult that I disagree with your views, right? Well my views are mine, and yours are yours. We’re just going to have to learn to respect each other.

I find the fact that you are willing to dismiss a whole movement based on a few insulting. I can, as previously seen, respect opposing views but I can’t respect fact skewing slander.

You condone the violence that is spreading, right? You think it to be justified. As you said earlier, you hope the whole country burns or you said something along those lines.

I condone America’s self destruction, yes. I don’t condone it as a retaliation for what’s happened with in our community, I condone it as a deep rooted hatred for what this country is. A huge greedy propaganda machine built on racism, genocide and lies. I just find it poetic justice if we tore ourselves a part. On the other side I also condone a peaceful revolution, I condone a change for the better. But this in between shit has got to go, I don’t condone a tension filled uneducated land of self righteousness and hypocrisy. I don’t condone the behind the doors loathing of our selves and passive tempers towards a bullshit system that we all know is corrupt but won’t do anything about.

I am aware of the deeper long repressed issues behind the actions of the rioters. What I’m trying to get across is inflicting harm amongst innocent people who had nothing to do with why blacks are outraged, and burning and blowing up property is not the right way to go about things. All it does, is give more political ammo for racists of all levels in society to justify their belief that blacks are a criminal race, which is wrong. But it won’t seem like they’re wrong if this kind of chaos is allowed to continue.

I can agree with and respect this last piece. No the riots and the murder is not justified. It’s not right and it saddens both sides. I don’t think it’s right to use these as a representation of the rest of the movement though. That’s where I’m offended. I also think that you should be able to understand it. You don’t have to condone it, but at least understand why it’s happening. These are humans, this is to be expected from humans with strong feelings and emotions. Also, the black supremacy movement is not new. It’s just now surfaced because of the shootings. I’ve known about black supremacy 10 years ago. That movement is much smaller than you think. It’s just fear propaganda being used by the media for views. Alex Jones included.

Slumerican502 said

 

This is where you and I differ. I don’t see it as white privilege. I was born white trash and I’m still white trash. I feel privileged to be america poor instead of third world poor, that’s it.

Every group has privileges, I just have never saw middle high class as a white privilege.

 

http://www.history.com/topics/…..nstruction

 

THIS is why there are so many black people stuck in the lower class in America. I read about this shit a long time ago but I couldn’t quite put it into words when I made my last post so I erased what I wrote until I could find more.  

That’s what white privilege is though. It’s not invalidating the struggles that you went through to get to where you are, it’s just saying that if you are white you are typically born into a better situation combined with how our culture sees race. Maybe me or you didn’t get the full benefit of white privilege. I demand a refund.

King Lucem Ferre said                                                                                                                                                                           Well you used the word wrong. Now, if I said juggalos suck and I’d never want to associate with them then I’d be a hypocrite, but I just said I’m not a juggalo. That does not make me a hypocrite.

Well sometimes you speak with such disgust about Juggalos, it just appears you’re being a hypocrite by even associating with us. Surely you can understand why one may ask themself, “Why does he socialize with a culture of people he dislikes?” It just seems hypocritical. Or maybe contradictory would be a better word for it.

I find the fact that you are willing to dismiss a whole movement based on a few insulting.

86: I mildy dismiss it. I don’t totally dismiss it. But BLM needs a REAL leader. Someone who can get shit done right without violence and arson.

Lucem: I condone America’s self destruction, yes. I don’t condone it as a retaliation for what’s happened with in our community, I condone it as a deep rooted hatred for what this country is. A huge greedy propaganda machine built on racism, genocide and lies. I just find it poetic justice if we tore ourselves a part. On the other side I also condone a peaceful revolution, I condone a change for the better. But this in between shit has got to go, I don’t condone a tension filled uneducated land of self righteousness and hypocrisy. I don’t condone the behind the doors loathing of our selves and passive tempers towards a bullshit system that we all know is corrupt but won’t do anything about.

86: Man you’re just all over the place, aren’t you Lucem? You want destruction, you want peaceful resolutions, you can’t have both. 

Lucem: I can agree with and respect this last piece. No the riots and the murder is not justified. It’s not right and it saddens both sides. I don’t think it’s right to use these as a representation of the rest of the movement though. That’s where I’m offended. I also think that you should be able to understand it. You don’t have to condone it, but at least understand why it’s happening. These are humans, this is to be expected from humans with strong feelings and emotions. Also, the black supremacy movement is not new. It’s just now surfaced because of the shootings. I’ve known about black supremacy 10 years ago. That movement is much smaller than you think. It’s just fear propaganda being used by the media for views. Alex Jones included.  

86: Fuck Alex Jones. I merely used the link for the videos it had. But I understand now where you got offended. You simply don’t want the BLM to be tarnished with labels you feel it doesn’t deserve like for example, terrorists. But there are a bunch of dumb asses out there mucking it up, making the movement look bad by burning and looting shit. The rioters are poisoning BLM’s true potential to make a change for the black communities. Is that what you meant? If so, then I agree. What BLM needs is a LEADER. A real LEADER with wit and charisma.