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4:51 am
July 28, 2016
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I disagree that blm doesn’t need a leader. It is not occupy. It has leaders. The leaders created a non profit who has become the face of the larger movement against police brutality.
If you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter
7:48 am
May 11, 2012
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While I agree black people are being mistreated by authorities and so are Juggalos, it’s not exclusive in my opinion. Nearly everyone regardless of race or gender or beliefs is getting screwed over in our societies when it really comes down to it.
Unfortunately BLM is majorly funded by George Soros and despicable Hungarian globalist and is capitalising on these issues to cause more chaos and to divide us further. It’s the old divide and conquer game again and the problem, reaction, solution game.
We need to put aside our differences and stand together against institutional corruption that unfairly effects us all.
The rabbit hole runs very deep, try not to lose your mind over things you cannot control.
9:50 am
May 4, 2014
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King Lucem Ferre said
The problem with this video is that he left statistics out of the equations. Now a critical thinker, like myself, when I hear that twice as many white people have been killed by cops than black people I realize that there are much more than twice as many white people than black in this country. There are 5X the amount of white people than black people in this country so he lied in this video. Black people are being killed at 3X the rate that white people are. Those are the facts and statistics…
Then cite your sources, King. If Shapiro, who is a lawyer with a podcast who doesn’t want to get sued for presenting bogus statistics in fact lied, please educate us with your sources beyond “cuz I say so.” The statistics presented by Shapiro state that blacks are 13% of the U.S. population but are responsible for 50% of U.S. murders, and he usually gets his numbers from “gold standards” such as the DOJ website. Here’s more from the man for your consideration:
https://youtu.be/DmoY2cKpVNc?t=1m22s
YouTube Video Ben Shapiro The Left Thinks Cops Want To Kill Black People
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11:05 am
September 18, 2012
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That’s not what I said he lied about. Also, since when have people on talk shows or podcasts been sued for presenting false information on said shows or podcasts? Because wouldn’t Fox News be out of business by now? Don’t feed me bullshit.
He lied when he said you are more likely to be killed by a cop if you are white rather than black by not considering that whites are about 72% of the population which is around 5X more than 13% of the population when talking about how twice as many whites are killed than black. That’s twice the amount not twice the rate. It’s simple middle school mathematics that you know he know’s how to use but for what ever reason conveniently left it out here or perhaps he didn’t even consider it so your ethos on him being a lawyer falls flat when he has left out such a crucial detail.
The crucial detail he also leaves out is how likely you are to be a suspect of murder if you are black. I don’t think it exists and I never gave that statistic. But it matters because if you are already seen as a criminal than you are more likely to be caught.
Another crucial detail left out is how many are actually innocent? Our justice system is not perfect and there are plenty of cases where innocent people have been convicted and even framed for murders they never commit. There is no way this statistic is around and I never gave one.
I just found statistic he lied about. If black people are responsible for 50% of murders than why does the FBI show that white people have commit more murders? Consistantly?
I can’t find a 2015 and I highly doubt it’s changed that drastically, even in 2016. I also highly doubt that he has more access to these statistics than the public.
But that doesn’t disprove his point, that’s still a disproportionately high murder rate for black people to have. But if you look at those numbers you can see that a vast majority of black murder is black on black crime. Which supports what I’ve been saying all along that this race issue is a cultural problem where this whole country does not value black lives as much, including other black people. And yes, maybe Black Lives Matter should cover this too. I know Kendrick Lamar has talked about it in his song Blacker The Berry and he’s a considered a huge voice in that culture.
None of that disproves that institutional racism exists, which is proven to exist by the lack of justice for innocent black people killed by cops. It’s proven by the statistic that black people get harsher sentences for the same crimes and are more likely to be convicted.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub…..12_sum.pdf
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB…..3789858002
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..58947.html
The only people refuting this are the people pulling statistics from over 20 years ago that only covers 7 cities.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/…..en-shapiro
LOL I just coincidentally discovered it is written by the same guy. So he is full of shit 3 times. HA.
11:25 am
September 18, 2012
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The fucked up thing is that when he lied about 50% of murders being from black people being a high number for 13% of the population I realize that he is willingly ignoring the blacks killed by cops ratio.
Just like when he called somebody out for having 80s statistics on immigration he knew how bullshit having 90s statistics on prison sentences was.
Ben Shapiro is a crook. He’s a liar. He’s Alex Jones basically. Wonder how much money he makes off of books that stroke the conservative ego.
11:28 am
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February 15, 2014
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My take is that while racism exists, institutional or otherwise, I don’t see the solution via activism. I will do my part through seeing everyone as just people. If someone takes note of my view and sees how it provides me with great relations with people, no matter who they are, then the idea spreads. That is the classic definition of a meme (not to be confused with the internet use of the word which has nothing to do with memetics). No matter what, I will not look at people being in certain races. Yes, I acknowledge that some wish to see themselves or others as being of a certain race, and I acknowledge that some are repressed because of their “race”, but I will not change my view of seeing people as just people. If that idea gains traction, then I see racism losing ground and people will slowly lose concepts of race. I know its an idealize and optimistic outlook, but its what I will continue to push towards in myself.
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February 13, 2015
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11:34 am
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February 15, 2014
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You are correct Lucem. The media, mainsteam and underground, have an agenda that distorts their perspective. They have an agenda. I have an agenda. And you can’t completely trust people with agendas.
11:59 am
May 4, 2014
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King Lucem Ferre said
… Ben Shapiro is a crook. He’s a liar….
That’s called an ad hominem, which is an argument or reaction directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. Usually such an illogical approach is considered irrelevant in debate (sort of like saying “your mother sucks cocks in hell” rather than sticking to the issues, even if your mother actually does suck cocks in hell.) Here’s an interesting quote from a BLM founder (Cullors) demonstrating that her inspiration seems somewhat radical.
“Who are some leaders that inspire you?Cullors: Assata Shakur.”
Source:
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/en…..vesmatter/
Assata Shakur is a convicted cop killer who escaped prison, fled to Cuba, and is the first woman to be on the FBI “Most Wanted Terrorist List.” I’ll draw my own conclusions about how peaceful BLM is based on their actions, however their founder being inspired by a violent member of the Black Liberation Army seems more twisted than Shaman’s video.
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12:03 pm
September 18, 2012
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Psyral Infection said
You are correct Lucem. The media, mainsteam and underground, have an agenda that distorts their perspective. They have an agenda. I have an agenda. And you can’t completely trust people with agendas.
The activists in BLM just want justice, they want the cops to be held accountable for murder which they are not. And they want stricter regulations, requirements and training for law enforcement. They are trying to get heard, only the government can make laws that comply with those demands.
This isn’t about a slight distortion to his perspective, because logical people can typically see these distortions when presented with the facts. It’s his willful distortion of facts he uses to sell to conservative people that want to feel like they are right. I know, I watched a few of his videos, I think he’s a smart dude who has some great ideas. Despite the fact that I disagree with most of what he says I find his input fascinating. Great debater, probably why he’s a lawyer.
12:10 pm
September 18, 2012
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krunkazphuk said
King Lucem Ferre said
… Ben Shapiro is a crook. He’s a liar….That’s called an ad hominem, which is an argument or reaction directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. Usually such an illogical approach is considered irrelevant in debate (sort of like saying “your mother sucks cocks in hell” rather than sticking to the issues, even if your mother actually does suck cocks in hell.) Here’s an interesting quote from a BLM founder (Cullors) demonstrating that her inspiration seems somewhat radical.
“Who are some leaders that inspire you?Cullors: Assata Shakur.”
Source:
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/en…..vesmatter/
Assata Shakur is a convicted cop killer who escaped prison, fled to Cuba, and is the first woman to be on the FBI “Most Wanted Terrorist List.” I’ll draw my own conclusions about how peaceful BLM is based on their actions, however their founder being inspired by a violent member of the Black Liberation Army seems more twisted than Shaman’s video.
Source:
Calling him a crook and a liar is a truth that I proved with evidence of him willfully lying, and no it had nothing to do with the debate. You calling my ad hominem also added nothing while you got to evade the facts I provided that proved his dishonesty.
Like I said, the people that sparked the movement don’t speak for the whole movement. It’s like saying that all juggalos are homophobic because Violent J made a song about killing gay people. You can make a judgement based on the actions of a few, but that is also called inductive reasoning which is also a logical fallacy. And you are free to have a logically fallacious view.
12:29 pm
May 4, 2014
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King Lucem Ferre said
Calling him a crook and a liar is a truth that I proved with evidence of him willfully lying, and no it had nothing to do with the debate. You calling my ad hominem also added nothing while you got to evade the facts I provided that proved his dishonesty.
Like I said, the people that sparked the movement don’t speak for the whole movement. It’s like saying that all juggalos are homophobic because Violent J made a song about killing gay people. You can make a judgement based on the actions of a few, but that is also called inductive reasoning which is also a logical fallacy. And you are free to have a logically fallacious view.
You can keep calling things facts, but that doesn’t make them facts. I said “I’ll draw my own conclusions about how peaceful BLM is based on their actions.” Seems reasonable. Open, honest discussions about statistical trends may require more than one or two exchanges before sinking into name-calling or declaring another’s freedom “to have a logically fallacious view.” I know you’re not down with formal education, but Shapiro is a Constitutional lawyer from Harvard, so in a pinch I suspect I’d choose him over you to defend me from a leftist lynch mob. (And to lighten the mood, King, if you send me your mom’s address in hell I’ll send her some knee pads.) 
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1:58 pm
June 13, 2013
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King Lucem Ferre said
The activists in BLM just want justice, they want the cops to be held accountable for murder which they are not.
Why is everything I say overlooked? This^ is bullshit Lucem. I’ll mention what happened in South Carolina again. Hopefully you’ll hear it this time. Michael T Slager, cop from South Carolina, did in fact, murder a black man, Walter Scott, in cold blood. Then drops a weapon next to his body to make it look like he had a weapon. Somebody recorded it all on their phone. This racist and crooked cop is going to prison for murder, and justice was served for the family of Walter Scott.
Source: (actually watch it)
Cops are in fact, being held accountable for any wrong doings they commit. There is no conspiracy to kill blacks and get away with it. BLM right now, all they’re gonna do is inspire white flight (that did wonders for Detroit, right?) , by burning everything and attacking innocent people, and it’s just going to validate the claims made by asswipes like Rush Limbaugh that say BLM is an organized gang now. Source: rush-limbaugh-black-lives-matter . Listen to what Krunk said:
krunkazphuk said
“I’ll draw my own conclusions about how peaceful BLM is based on their actions.”
I’ll wager that the rest of the country will say the same thing she did. And why not? That is a reasonable way to form an unbiased opinion. You can’t argue with that. If what we see is blacks torching their own neighborhoods and looting stores, and attacking innocent people, it’d be fair to call BLM quite a hostile group. What are their so called founders doing about the violence? Nothing. I’ll say it again, BLM NEEDS A TRUE LEADER TO LEAD THEM. Violence isn’t helping their cause.
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2:57 pm
March 10, 2016
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I wasn’t going to post on this topic again but after reading this convo and how it has gone since last I post I have to point out the complete stupidity going on here (no offense but yeah it is).
I said “The entire point of BLM is to say that Black people have it worse”.
To which the response were something similar to “No BLM stands for all racial inequality”
THEN as the convo furthers on the same people supporting BLM on here use the argument “Blacks are more likely to (blank)” or “Blacks get targeted more by cops”….see the hypocrisy here….so which one is true?
Does BLM stand on the premise blacks have it worse and are therefor liars?
OR
Are you guys the type of BLM members that twist their message to suit your own purposes?
Because honestly all I hear from BLM supporters in this discussion is “Poor black people this and poor black people that”.
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