Theres a bunch of good discussion going on in here. You all make good points, but I just wanna touch on a couple points

@scruffy I wasn’t trying to hint at a imminent revolution. I can’t remember where I saw this(aka might be talking out of my ass) but I think the average for a new nation is 250 years before an Revolution.

@DrFreshness

This is an excellent point too. The case in Milwaukee right now. Nothing to do with race, just people wanting to tear some shit up, and get some loot. These people are called opportunists.

As far as violence being tied to BLM, this is just going to happen. It’s the same way with violence being tied to juggalos or any other group.

BLM as a whole just feeds into the racial separation doesn’t it? I get that there are many injustices against the black culture as a whole, but starting a group with that name implies their injustices are more important. I just want to hammer in again that this is a class issue. We ALL should be banding together. It doesn’t matter your background or gender and sexual preferences.

We need to focus on the things that make us the same, instead of perpetuating this divide between us all. Wouldn’t the movement gain more traction if it was something like Poor Lives Matter? Maybe not. Fuck do I know? Just throwing shit against a wall to see what sticks.

Nyro said

You are correct I needed to correct what I said.I apologize for that I will correct my statement. Garcia was arrested for that Bay area transit protest. Which is not a felony but she was convicted and has yet to serve her community service. What will happen next is unknown. McKesson was arrested not a felony still criminal also at nearly EVERY damn protest he does.

Deray is not a founder, he is a high profile participant. He has been arrested for trespassing not for inciting violence. A lot of people get arrested for peaceful protest because it’s an easy way to clear the streets. I’ve been arrested for peaceful protest just because I was standing “too close” to the edge of a cross walk. 

The others are not “founders” and just protest organizers. Eugene Ratney, Darrel Whitfield and Jamar Travis all arrested organizing protests that ended in violence. ALL felons.

Eugene Ratney is not an organizer and has no official connection to BLM. He wore a shirt he purchased off their website. He was not an organizer with the organization nor was he a prominent member of the wider community of support for the organization the way Deray and Shaun King are. 

I can find no information on Darrel Whitfield that links him to black lives matter.  Same with Jamar Travis.

Needless to say they still have people leading protests that shouldn’t, including Garcia and McKesson who get arrested nearly every one they attend. Whether it is a felony or misdemeanor it is still criminal. I don’t get why people like you defend it so much. Have you ever even been locked up? A crime is a crime. Felony, misdemeanor…shit if it is any more then a parking ticket or traffic stop it is still a big deal.

People get arrested. It doesn’t mean they lose the right to protest. Yes, I have been arrested. for protesting. And I will continue to protest whenever I can. 

As for Shaggy, I shouldn’t justify that with a response. It is classic “Rob” you like to twist shit to politicize your agenda as usual when I am simply talking morals. Shaggy DOES NOT sell guns, drugs or work for the UFC so his job has NOTHING to do with past offenses. If we are going to compare Apples to Oranges this would get real ignorant real fast, I refuse to do so especially when these people have history of being too disruptive. You don’t put your most disruptive people in charge of protests. It isn’t smart and makes you look bad. If you asked me NO I wouldn’t support Shaggy doing any of those 3 things. Lucky for me he is a music artist huh?

My point was, people have a right to exercise their freedom of speech regardless of their criminal history. The laws Deray has broken are a far cry short of child molestation or whatever nonsense you were spouting earlier and it is a ludicrous comparison. So I gave my own. Someone should lose the right to practice their freedom of speech because they broke the law? OK. Shaggy raps about killing cops and has broken the law. That seems like a dangerous mix to me. Not really, but you see my point hopefully.

I remember when we did a Comanche Nation rally over some property in Lawton, Ok. We didn’t wan’t white people there. The guilt trip isn’t genuine. You didn’t cause the issues your ancestors did yet for some reason people still stuck their noses where they didn’t belong and guess what? Many white people were hurt and beat up because it was offensive. The fact they were willing to say “my ancestors did this, so I did it to” wasn’t helping. It meant they felt guilty which to us meant they ARE guilty. But they couldn’t understand why because they are white and don’t know how things worked for us, yet they claim to sympathize? It is a load of crap. BLM isn’t a proud movement, if they were and it really was about oppression the fact “white” people were being paid to help protest would offend them. It is a scam.

Let’s unpack this a bit though okay? The protest you had is not the same as the protest they are having. It’s fine if you want to exclude white people. The BLM movement has chosen not to exclude anybody because they realize the power of allyship in getting shit fixed. White people are not being paid to protest.

If you think it’s a scam, then it’s because you’re refusing to listen. They aren’t asking for money or reparations. They are asking for police accountability. How is that a scam? 

So instead of focusing on social injustices towards minorities we act a fool in the streets. Point out peaceful protests while ignoring the violent ones AND get paid to help protest (some not all are paid of course I hope). It is a load of crap and all the CNN, MNB,ABC, CBS and Fox news watchers are just as dumb. Go to a BLM protest just once and tell me everything is 100%.

I’ve gone to several here in the LA area and no, not everything is 100%. Same with us juggalos though. Nothing has to be 100% above ground to be worth protecting and respecting. Some people use whatever they can as an excuse to go start shit, be it the BLM movement or ICP’s music. It’s an excuse that doesn’t reflect the rest of the group. 

You wan’t to talk about short end of the stick? The Hispanics and the Natives are STILL getting royally buttfucked by the government while we sit and worry about whether Black Lives Matter. More Hispanics live in poverty then blacks and almost 90% of Natives live in poverty not to mention alcoholism is destroying any remnant of what used to be on almost all reservations. Yeah, it pisses me of that criminals (misdemeanor or felony who cares) get more attention then people truly suffering. Self inflicted wounds are a lot easier to heal then ones that are inflicted by another.

The black lives matter movement has worked extensively to inform people of the police violations against native and latinx populations. One of the first “black lives matter” organized events I went to was about a latina woman who was killed. I’m a white latino, so I have a lot of white privilege but I am still latinx and still face a lot of prejudice for it. 

If it pisses you off that people are ignoring native issues, then you should be out there protesting for those issues. The issues that get ignored are the ones that we choose to remain silent about. It’s not Deray Mckesson’s job to talk about what is important to you. He has to stand up and talk about what is important to him. The fact that BLM became a trending tag and caught on, only helps make their voice louder. It doesn’t mean you don’t have a voice.

I can rant on about the injustice of the amount of attention BLM is getting all day but it wont make a difference. EVERYONE here will still claim that Blacks have it the worst. They will still claim they are the true victims. Meanwhile an entire race is damn near extinct and the other is damn near impossible to get citizenship because the process is ridiculous.  

No one is claiming black people have it the “worst” because oppression olympics are a waste of time. Plus, there’s this thing called intersectionalism where we recognize that all forms of oppression (sexism, racism, homophobia, classism) operate together. 

I am supporter of a group called No More Deaths which is a protest group against the deaths of undocumented immigrants who die in Arizona because of a lack of water. I wasn’t part of the movement at the time, but several of our organizers were arrested for “littering” because they buried gallons of water under the sand and stuck flags in so that people crossing the desert could find water in the immense heat. The organization would return to pick up the empty bottles of water at night. 

People can care about more than one thing at a time, and, can prioritize based on incidents that occur nationally. 

http://forms.nomoredeaths.org/en/

a cop shot a black guy who was firing his gun at people but you’re missing the point,  a cop shot a black guy so it’s racist. 

even if the cop was black it doesn’t matter, cops are a white thing so it’s racist. black people shouldn’t have to do what cops say.

Noah Fence said                                                                                                                                                                                There is a long history of discrimination in WI and Milwaukee specifically. That history shouldn’t be ignored. The people who are upset aren’t simply upset that one guy was killed, they’re upset that there is a racist system of oppression which enables and defends the police regardless of the circumstances of a single incident.

Okay, but why the outrage and rioting now all of a sudden? Why did it take the shooting of a common thug to spark a race riot? Why didn’t they protest this “long history of discrimination” 5 or 10 or even 20 years ago if it’s really been so bad for so long?

I sincerely disagree. Black Lives Matter, as a group, should be wherever there is a racist system of oppression against POC. They should hold the police accountable. I don’t know the specifics about this ONE time when a guy allegedly fires at a cop. Do we have evidence of it? Is that on video? If so, lets see it. Do we just take the police’s word? Why? BLM as an organization wants to defend all black lives wherever possible because, as the saying goes, ALL lives matter. 

The police should be held accountable for what? Defending themselves? The cop in Milwaukee shot the thug down because he shot at the cop. Michael Brown in Ferguson knocked the shit out of a cop and reached for his gun. WHAT THE FUCK WAS HE THINKING? You don’t do that! And his parents were like, “Oh he was a gentle giant”. THIS video proves otherwise:

Yes there is video of the shooting in Milwaukee, the officer was wearing a body cam. Don’t know if it’s been released yet, but apparently the MPD wants it out soon so the people of Milwaukee will stop burning everything and pulling whites out of their cars and beating on them. So everyone can quit rioting once they see the guy shot at the police first. Not that it matters, really. The death of this asshole is just a scapegoat for looting and burning shit down.

Right, there is violence on all sides. Violence happens. Crime happens. When a guy shot and murdered police in texas, he was killed. When a cop kills a person of color, it’s swept under the rug. Everybody should have to pay for their crimes. They should be sentenced fairly. They should be arrested fairly. But they aren’t. 

Bullshit. Michael T. Slager, an ex-cop from South Carolina was caught on video fatally shooting Walter Scott, a local black man  who was unarmed, and then planted a gun on his corpse afterwards. He was in FACT, convicted of this crime. He’s going to spend the rest of his wicked life in prison, and rightfully so. Look it up. But don’t pretend like there’s some conspiracy by white people to get away with murdering blacks, because that’s bullshit. If that was true, Mr Slager would still be a free man and an active police officer, wouldn’t he? Justice, in fact, was served in that case.

Nyro said

I missed you so much. It is good to see that net handle on these forums again.  

Who? @krunkazphuk ? Yeah, she’s cool. Welcome back Krunk!! 

What the fuck did Alton Sterling do wrong? Somebody please watch that video and tell me what he did to deserve that. The riots aren’t about whether or not that ONE FUCKING CRIMINAL deserved it, it’s not about putting critical thought into a positive change it’s a build up of the emotion from plenty of people like Alton Sterling that are senselessly murdered over petty things and in Alton’s case nothing. You have to expect something like this to happen when nothing has fucking changed through peaceful protest. Black Lives Matter does not imply anything other than that black lives matter. It does not imply black lives matter more, it’s meant to be a reminder that black lives do actually matter and something needs to be done when innocent black people are killed over nothing.

And the statistics prove that you are STILL 3 times more likely to get killed by a cop if you are black. On top of that how many innocent people of any other race do you know are killed compared to innocent black people? I can name two cases where an innocent white person was killed. One was Zachary Hammond and I don’t remember the name of the other. I only know they happened because Black Lives Matter covered it. All Lives Matter didn’t give a flying fuck. Then you paranoid hypocrites claim there is a race war or that they want to kill all the white people. You guys are fucking juggalos, you guys should know better than to lump everybody in with the bad apples. I’ve personally met at least a dozen juggalos that claimed that it was a gang. Plus, Violent J said it in a song as well. Your logic is justifying the FBI classification. Oh, and let’s not forget the major point that innocent black people can get held down and executed while white people can shoot up whole buildings then get walked to the police car. It’s a combination of the shitty, shady and corrupt police culture that we have and the way this country views and treats race relations. We focus way too much on not offending each other while ignoring the real problems like how we actually treat each other.

Lets speak on All Lives Matter. Now, nobody is saying you can’t say All Lives Matter. Nobody is saying you can’t get into Klan robes and declare that you think jews lied about the earth being round to sell globes either. But let’s not pretend that you have an actual point with All Lives Matter other than to oppose Black Lives Matter. Like I pointed out, Black Lives Matter covers innocent white people being killed by cops. All Lives Matter covers nothing because All Lives Matter is not an actually movement that gives a damn, they are a reaction to try to slander and dismiss Black Lives Matter. While Black Lives Matter is trying to remind us that black people deserve the same justice anybody else deserves All Lives Matter is just an empty title. And plenty of All Lives Matter thinks white people are victims. They think there is a war on white people. They think white people are becoming the minority. The fucked up part is that why are they so afraid of becoming a minority? Is it because minorities get treated like shit in this country? All Lives Matter actually says that it’s okay for cops to kill black people because black people are killing themselves. So All Lives Matter can be painted as a racist movement condoning the massacre of black people. All Lives Matter is really about saying Black Lives Don’t Matter, if you wanna see it that way.

Also, if they abolished the second amendment you know plenty of you would become criminals. Plenty of you said you’d fight back. And if there are protests about the second amendment being abolished you know damn well they would be put together by criminals. By people breaking the law because they refuse to give their guns. So this whole rhetoric of people not being good leaders because they broke the law once is fucking stupid. If anything I thought you were going to bring up the fact that some of the founders have condoned violence on police and white people which I’d easily rebuttal with the fact that even though they sparked the movement they don’t speak for the whole movement. They aren’t actual leaders. BLM isn’t some club with an initiation ceremony and a hand shake or an official uniform. I know for a fact that most of the movement wants a peaceful outcome, that most of them just want some kind of change with how authorities do things. You have to understand the pain and frustration that comes with what is happening and the fact that the peaceful protests aren’t doing anything, people just keep shrugging it off. It’s not about that one criminal, it’s about feeling trapped and hopeless. Call it a victim culture all you want, but I see what they are fighting for, and what you guys fight for. If BLM are victims than you guys are the whiny spoiled emo kid that just wants attention.

King Lucem Ferre said

So All Lives Matter can be painted as a racist movement condoning the massacre of black people. All Lives Matter is really about saying Black Lives Don’t Matter, if you wanna see it that way.

Nobody is condoning the massacre of blacks. But there is a King Noble from black supremacy who claimed open season on whites. Black Lives Matter is really about saying All Lives Don’t Matter, only black lives do. If you wanna see it that way.

The BLM implies nothing other than black lives matter? Well they sure as shit need to imply something, some kind of objective  or goal that can be reached without resorting to violence on innocent people and businesses that had zero to do with whatever pissed them off. Otherwise it looks like they’re implying complete chaos, which is exactly what’s happening.

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King Lucem Ferre said

So All Lives Matter can be painted as a racist movement condoning the massacre of black people. All Lives Matter is really about saying Black Lives Don’t Matter, if you wanna see it that way.

Nobody is condoning the massacre of blacks. But there is a King Noble from black supremacy who claimed open season on whites. Black Lives Matter is really about saying All Lives Don’t Matter, only black lives do. If you wanna see it that way.

The BLM implies nothing other than black lives matter? Well they sure as shit need to imply something, some kind of objective  or goal that can be reached without resorting to violence on innocent people and businesses that had zero to do with whatever pissed them off. Otherwise it looks like they’re implying complete chaos, which is exactly what’s happening.  

King Lucem Ferre said

You guys are fucking juggalos, you guys should know better than to lump everybody in with the bad apples. I’ve personally met at least a dozen juggalos that claimed that it was a gang. Plus, Violent J said it in a song as well. Your logic is justifying the FBI classification.

King Lucem Ferre said

You guys are fucking juggalos, you guys should know better than to lump everybody in with the bad apples. I’ve personally met at least a dozen juggalos that claimed that it was a gang. Plus, Violent J said it in a song as well. Your logic is justifying the FBI classification.

  

I am so tired of hearing that from you. WE GET IT LUCEM. YOU ARE SO MUCH MORE AWESOME THAN ALL OF US BECAUSE YOU AREN’T A LOWLY JUGGALO LIKE THE REST OF US. GO AWAY. GO THROW YOUR DIAMOND UP ILLUMINATI TRASH.

 And the situation with Juggalos and the FBI is not the same situation with BLM being misunderstood. Juggalos are not burning down cities and ripping innocent people out of their cars and beating on them. BLM is not misunderstood. They lack leadership, everything they do ends with violence and needless arson.