11:39 am
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February 15, 2014
Noah Fence said
Intersectionalism, which looks at the different ways oppression is connected, is “divisive”. Lol. Ok.
@noah-fence , from the original usage of the word it is NOT divisive. It shows individuals have multiple identities, and if they experience oppression, the experience is the interaction of all of those identities. It can become divisive when it is used to highlight the differences between people rather than the similarities.
Intersectionalism is not bad, in and of itself. It’s use determines whether it is divisive or not.
When not used to highlight differences in people but rather to show connection and interaction, it becomes a really good “ism”.
There has been a lot of progress lately in Intersectionalism where instead of people fighting for individual causes, they are opening their minds and expanding from the little fights and thinking “What’s the big picture? What is the reason things are this way? How can we fix the fundamental issues that underlie all these problems?”
Two sides of the coin. There is the good and the bad side of this determined by how it is used. Most likely this is true with all “isms”.
11:57 am
September 18, 2012
Affirmative action is there because of the disadvantage people are at because of our country’s history and the prejudices of our organizations.
Still, affirmative action did not accomplish what it was meant to accomplish so we can get rid of it. Perhaps instead more focus should be put on helping low income communities. That’s a whole other discussion though.
Don’t fool yourself into believing legislators and policy makers know more about what would work than any of us. They know more about what policies can be made with out infringing on our constitution, but they don’t know what would work best.
I don’t know what I’d call my self. I want free education and free health care, more jobs, less welfare, moderate border control, less rights for illegals, easier paths to citizenship, pro choice and pro guns. I want to decriminalize drugs in a way that doesn’t support the use of harmful drugs like heroin. More independence from other countries and much less of a military presence in the middle east. More money going into scientific research and to going green. Less executive power, more transparency of government. We should definitely raise taxes on the rich too. I don’t hate reach people, I respect that they want their liberties but I feel as though our system is in favor of giving them more liberties than the poor while also drastically minimizing our ability to pursue happiness. I’ve known way to many people who have worked their asses off their whole lives for so little.
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Nyro12:48 pm
March 10, 2016
Don’t fool yourself into believing legislators and policy makers know more about what would work than any of us. They know more about what policies can be made with out infringing on our constitution, but they don’t know what would work best.
99% of “us” don’t know what would work. That is a major issue of mine. People that sit there and “read” about something and thing that is reality. It is so easy to say we should do this or that until you live it. To be truthful I would wager less then half the white people supporting the BLM movement have ever lived more then 5 years in a community where the Minorities are the majority.
I don’t know what I’d call my self. I want free education and free health care, more jobs, less welfare, moderate border control, less rights for illegals, easier paths to citizenship, pro choice and pro guns. I want to decriminalize drugs in a way that doesn’t support the use of harmful drugs like heroin. More independence from other countries and much less of a military presence in the middle east. More money going into scientific research and to going green. Less executive power, more transparency of government. We should definitely raise taxes on the rich too. I don’t hate reach people, I respect that they want their liberties but I feel as though our system is in favor of giving them more liberties than the poor while also drastically minimizing our ability to pursue happiness. I’ve known way to many people who have worked their asses off their whole lives for so little.
I’d call you confused.
How do you pay the teachers if education is free? (we are already in debt)
Free healthcare has never worked in a country the size of ours. Remember even Canada is 1/10th our size in population with a lot more natural resources and land mass.
More Jobs would cut down on the welfare a bit but also a lot of people on welfare have a mindset that they do not want to work.
Border control will never fully go away.
Basic human rights is all illegals are entitled to here in my opinion that’s how it should be.
Easier path to citizenship is actually one of very few points I agree with trump on. That and border control. We want to allow people in but they need to be able to do it the right way.
I am pro-life myself for religious purposes however it is none of my business anyways. I always felt like maybe they could just have the baby and put it up for adoption? Babies go FAST in the adoption process. A lot faster then when they are over 3.
Guns….yeah. I am pro-gun
Marijuana and a few others are sure to be legal country wide within the next couple of years.
We don’t rely on other countries really we could just as easily use our own resources. It is actually economically smart to use all theirs up first. I really don’t care about the middle east. Israel is a great location if we ever need to attack in case of a world war though so keeping ties with them might be useful even if they are stubborn jackasses.
Scientific researches and the Green movement are still in full swing. Even NASA just announced it will be relaunching it’s space program.
Less executive power wont happen. Both Hillary and Trump will do things their way.
Raising taxes on the rich will decrease jobs like it did a few years ago when Burger King and Hershey moved their HQ’s to other countries. That cost tens of thousands of jobs. We already have the 8th highest corperate tax rate in the world and all the ones ahead of us are third world countries except for Pakistan and Argentina but both are much poorer then we are. We are lucky we are doing this well with our ridiculous rates.
Oh by the way I am calling it now you heard it here first. By 2020 Wal-Mart moves it’s HQ to China or Germany. We will lose about 600k jobs worth of taxes there and they will fire probably 500k store personel.
Also some bold predictions:
McDonald’s moves HQ to Canada by 2020
Kmart goes completely bankrupt by 2017
Another Automobile bailout in 2018
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King Lucem Ferre5:18 pm
July 28, 2016
Nyro said
I’d call you confused.
How do you pay the teachers if education is free? (we are already in debt)
Governmental debt doesn’t work the way regular people debt works. And, besides that, this question is ridiculous. Education is already free. Public schools exist. How do we pay those teachers? How do other countries, who are also in debt, pay for their public universities? The tuition for the school that I’m going to now was free for in state students in the 60s, and is now $15k. That’s a lot of inflation.
Free healthcare has never worked in a country the size of ours. Remember even Canada is 1/10th our size in population with a lot more natural resources and land mass.
It’s never been tried in a country our size. And, our size means more tax revenue.
More Jobs would cut down on the welfare a bit but also a lot of people on welfare have a mindset that they do not want to work.
Nonsense. While there may be some people who “don’t want to work”, most people like having something to do. People get depressed when they are out of work. And I don’t mean they get sad, I mean, they develop a severe mental health condition where their self esteem and general outlook on life take a major hit. And most welfare programs require some attempt to find work.
Border control will never fully go away.
Literally nobody is asking it to.
Basic human rights is all illegals are entitled to here in my opinion that’s how it should be.
Easier path to citizenship is actually one of very few points I agree with trump on. That and border control. We want to allow people in but they need to be able to do it the right way.
Trump does not want an easier path to citizenship. You’re fooling yourself if you think he does. He wants to deport people who are here illegally, not make them citizens. Interestingly enough, most people who come to the US do so legally, and then over stay their visas because the system is overly complicated for latinx and asian immigrants.
I am pro-life myself for religious purposes however it is none of my business anyways. I always felt like maybe they could just have the baby and put it up for adoption? Babies go FAST in the adoption process. A lot faster then when they are over 3.
A lot of abortions happen because of the general health risks involved. Also, a pregnant woman who is low income would have to miss work, potentially lose their job, and then cover hospital and prenatal care? Planned Parenthood offers abortion coverage on a sliding scale. It’s a no brainer.
I say men who impregnate women who do not want to be impregnated should have the fetus implanted into their abdomen if they do not want the child aborted.
Less executive power wont happen. Both Hillary and Trump will do things their way.
This is likely true.
Raising taxes on the rich will decrease jobs like it did a few years ago when Burger King and Hershey moved their HQ’s to other countries. That cost tens of thousands of jobs. We already have the 8th highest corporate tax rate in the world and all the ones ahead of us are third world countries except for Pakistan and Argentina but both are much poorer then we are. We are lucky we are doing this well with our ridiculous rates.
It’s all speculation. It’s fear based propaganda that keeps people thinking like this. The truth is, a businesses HQ doesn’t really matter since most of the HQ staff is small, and most of these businesses are global. They might move to Canada or mexico to avoid paying taxes, but really, there are still plenty of burger kings in the US.
Oh by the way I am calling it now you heard it here first. By 2020 Wal-Mart moves it’s HQ to China or Germany. We will lose about 600k jobs worth of taxes there and they will fire probably 500k store personel.
Speculation. With no real world grounding.
And fuck a walmart. They should be put out of business in the US with their illegal practices.
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Old Mr DangerousIf you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter
5:23 pm
June 13, 2013
King Lucem Ferre said
86, you just told me you were not going to lump those people in with BLM. Now you reverse that?
The actual founders of BLM, no I will not throw them in with the rioters. But the rioters however, support BLM. That kind of (not totally) makes the founders of BLM responsible for what the rioters do. Or maybe it doesn’t…gah. Who knows anymore?![]()
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7:04 pm
July 28, 2016
Nyro said
You win Rob. I can’t argue with the logic of 2.1 million people should lose their jobs cause “Fuck Walmart”.
(From now on I agree with Rob)
I mean it was clearly hyperbole but yeah. Fuck walmart.
We should pay all their employees a living wage while they look for new work and burn that shit to the ground.
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Nyro, Old Mr DangerousIf you really believed that all lives matter we wouldn't need to say black lives matter
7:11 pm
March 10, 2016
Noah Fence said
I mean it was clearly hyperbole but yeah. Fuck walmart.
We should pay all their employees a living wage while they look for new work and burn that shit to the ground.
Hell yeah, if we can print 400 million in cash for Iran why the hell can’t we to extend unemployment and welfare for our own people?
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King Lucem Ferre9:17 pm
December 3, 2012
Since yall brought up “The Wall” and immigration, I want to share something with you guys. This is an article about my first cousin on my dads side. It happened a few months ago.
All this said, I don’t want a wall or think that it would help. What we do need is higher security checks and better documentation. We need to make it easier for regular people who do want to make a life, and harder for people like this piece of human fucking scum, who is no doubt back in mexico and will face no retribution.
BUT I don’t think that all mexican immigrants are like this. We can’t just mass fucking deport people. Trump makes blanket statements about entire groups of people. He is a despicable human being. I don’t see how anybody can stand up for this dude after the shit he says.
There's a gateway in our minds
That leads somewhere out there, far beyond this plane
Where reptile aliens made of light
Cut you open and pull out all your pain
Sturgill Simpson- Turtles All The Way Down
9:50 pm
December 3, 2012
Also, to answer the how do we pay for free schooling and healthcare….Take it out of our MASSIVE military budget. Pack up all our operations around the world. Stop giving aid to third world countries. Pull out all our troops and all our bases. Stop playing fucking world police. Bring them all home and make America a fucking impenetrable fortress like China has. We can still have the greatest army in the world. We do need that.
I hate so god damn much how whenever you bring up free schooling you get branded a marxist. There is NO argument against it if you ask me. Knowledge should be available to everyone for free. What about the internet you say? Well, the degree matters. You could be Will Hunting, but without that degree nobody is going to take you seriously. So you HAVE to go in debt to get a degree unless you have that white bread. That old money.
We should all have the same opportunities. This is our future we are talking about here. We don’t think about the long run. Everyone in this country would be better off is there were more educated people. More people starting businesses. More people innovating and inventing. Which means more competition and better product and prices….
More people making advancements in the quality of life. More people making better decisions electing people into office. More people coming from a lower class family breaking their future generations of the cycle families fall into. Less people committing crimes. Less people getting addicted to drugs. Less debt.
Shit CAN change. I refuse to believe this is something that can’t happen. Maybe if we didn’t prioritize monetary gain and over people? I know we can do better. I just doubt that I personally will live to see it.
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Old Mr Dangerous, OCJ_BrendanThere's a gateway in our minds
That leads somewhere out there, far beyond this plane
Where reptile aliens made of light
Cut you open and pull out all your pain
Sturgill Simpson- Turtles All The Way Down
11:01 pm
December 3, 2012
It’s not free. Nothing is free cept for herpes…. The idea is we all foot the bill. We all pay taxes to pay for things like this. Why put my money towards oppressing and rebuilding third world countries when it can be put to better use here?
Fuck yeah though, I do love me some free shit. I keep a fake mustache in my pocket so I can walk by the sample sample lady in grocery stores multiple times XD
There's a gateway in our minds
That leads somewhere out there, far beyond this plane
Where reptile aliens made of light
Cut you open and pull out all your pain
Sturgill Simpson- Turtles All The Way Down
11:11 pm
May 11, 2012
King Lucem Ferre said
At least we are having an important discussion, get off your high horse.
Okay man whatever you say, here’s some free advice you haven’t asked for, got get therapy man, you need it. I don’t hate you. It would be great to see you get better some day. I really feel sorry for you every time I read one of your posts.
11:19 pm
March 10, 2016
So raise taxes to accommodate it? Or does this tie in with firing military personnel?
If we shut down bases people will lose jobs. Not enough facilities here to accommodate them.
How can we create jobs by destroying them and by raising taxes? Seems impossible without royally fucking someone.
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King Lucem Ferre11:41 pm
December 3, 2012
I already explained how more jobs would be created if more people were educated. The money made by the war machine is from private contractors. They will find jobs elsewhere. You think these people would just give up?
We wouldn’t have to raise taxes if we took it directly out of our military budget. If you did though, just implement a flat tax across the board. Sure, the super rich might have to sell a summer home or a few of their yachts, but the people barely keeping their electricity on will get some relief. Since they have a little more money to spend, they will go out more. They will eat out, go to movies, go to concerts etc. They are spreading their money around so it ends up being good for everyone.
We could still have plenty left over to defend our land. We don’t have to be aggressive.
Jobs dry up in places and new ones are created. It’s not the only way they could make money. It reminds me of coal workers here in kentucky. Politicians get shit on if they talk about phasing it out, so nobody does anymore. Political opponents will attack you saying you hate coal workers.
So you phase out coal, save some fucking lives in the process, and bring nuclear energy to kentucky. The coal workers are hurt until they find new jobs, but the nuclear plants brings other jobs in. Plus it isn’t an instant process. They will have time to find different jobs.
We have clean energy and the coal workers aren’t dying of black lung. It’s win win. We just all get stuck in this idea that this is the way things are and have to be.
I can’t pretend I have all the answers, all im saying is it doesn’t have to be the way it is. It just doesn’t
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OCJ_BrendanThere's a gateway in our minds
That leads somewhere out there, far beyond this plane
Where reptile aliens made of light
Cut you open and pull out all your pain
Sturgill Simpson- Turtles All The Way Down
12:14 am
December 3, 2012
It really is wishful thinking. I’m a dreamer. Always have been. Probably not a very convenient way to live life.
There's a gateway in our minds
That leads somewhere out there, far beyond this plane
Where reptile aliens made of light
Cut you open and pull out all your pain
Sturgill Simpson- Turtles All The Way Down
1:37 pm
September 18, 2012
Radam said
Okay man whatever you say, here’s some free advice you haven’t asked for, got get therapy man, you need it. I don’t hate you. It would be great to see you get better some day. I really feel sorry for you every time I read one of your posts.
I’m not spending my money on that.
I wouldn’t call myself confused. I just have what my views. Simple as that. I don’t need to align to some stupid party.
I remember reading an article about how well Bernie Sander’s plan would have worked. According to the article Bernie lied about how much he’d have to tax us but at the end of the day we’d all be saving money because we’d be spending less.
And no, companies are not going to just move their HQ because it will cost a lot of time, resources and money to just move to another country. Chances are they’d have to pay more taxes in that other country than they do here. Don’t forget that most countries have stricter regulations than we do. And they pay lower in taxes than they ever have when they actually do pay taxes. It keeps getting lower and lower and why people think we need to keep giving them tax cuts when it’s obviously not creating jobs is beyond me.
We do rely on other countries. What we are doing right now is we are trading our materials to other countries, like China, where all of the factories are and they use those materials to build the goods that they send back to us for a much higher price. If we just stopped doing that then we could create more jobs here building things with our materials then selling them to other countries. Then again, this might be the one thing that keeps Russia and China from slaughtering us.
As for adoption over abortion, I feel as though over population is becoming a major issue that is not talked about enough. We have plenty of room on the planet for more people, the earth just doesn’t have enough resources to meet our demands.
The budget for Nasa isn’t good, it’s pretty shitty. That doesn’t stop scientists from doing what the want, it just means that these innovations and discoveries are going to other countries. That might not seem important, but these innovations are what brings economic growth to our country when we discover new technologies.
2:04 pm
March 10, 2016
Not sure about other states but Texas is definitely not over populated. There are still a lot of thirty minute to two hour drives without seeing many dwellings here.
If over population is a worry of yours it was counter productive to making the immigration process easier. If you make the process easier the population increases.
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