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5:04 pm
January 4, 2017
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I'm confused people are mad at twiztid for using people's beats but didn't psychopathic do that with psychopathic rydas and they weren't paying for the beats that's why they had to use a whole different label for psychopathic rydas
5:37 pm
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August 6, 2013
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hippiekush said
I'm confused people are mad at twiztid for using people's beats but didn't psychopathic do that with psychopathic rydas and they weren't paying for the beats that's why they had to use a whole different label for psychopathic rydas
Ya but that was part of the joke. Everyone knew the beats were jacked.
2:43 am
January 4, 2017
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Pigg said
Ya but that was part of the joke. Everyone knew the beats were jacked.
Joke or not it's hypocritical to diss twiztid for using other peoples beats but not dissing psychopathic for doing the exact same
2:48 am
September 18, 2012
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hippiekush said
Joke or not it's hypocritical to diss twiztid for using other peoples beats but not dissing psychopathic for doing the exact same
The idea is they took stuff with out giving credit like that riff as if they came up with it. With Rydas it should be assumed that the beats are jacked. Shitty comparison.
3:51 am
January 4, 2017
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King Lucem Ferre said
The idea is they took stuff with out giving credit like that riff as if they came up with it. With Rydas it should be assumed that the beats are jacked. Shitty comparison.
Where's did twiztid say the riff was there's? You might as well say 6 foot 7 foot or beautiful is stolen or anyone who remixes a song stole the beat then
7:02 am
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August 6, 2013
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Its not what they said, it's what they didn't say. No credit was given. 6 foot 7 foot and beautiful are covers and ICP made that known. Remixes generally give credit to the original song. There was no attempt made to give credit to whomever originally composed the guitar riff. Do you honestly not understand the difference? I can try and explain it in a different way, but I'm not so sure you want to see the difference.
7:23 am
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May 22, 2012
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people been arguing the issue of stealing/borrowing/remixing/sampling/interpolating/jacking other peoples music since hiphop was in its bare infancy.
far as im concerned, its more about context than anything else. these days, people get away with it the majority of the time, so what the hell.
i didnt bother to listen to the comparisons, cuz ill put down a sawbuck that says its an independent, or at the most quasi-subconscious-coincidence-like event. sometimes shit sounds like other shit. anyway, not much different than most any other sample. ill bet.
[edit] typo fix.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
8:11 am
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August 6, 2013
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I think mono ripping thst line from the def jam poet is worse to be honest.
8:24 am
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May 22, 2012
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Pigg said
I think mono ripping thst line from the def jam poet is worse to be honest.
take your word for it. didnt bother backcheckin that shit either.
pretty much any rapper you can name, you can go through their shit and pick out lines that they took from somebody else. and thats not even counting direct sampling, which also covers just about every rapper.
not a big thing. if this is all just observation, then whatever whatever.
but if its meant to be an overly-convoluted way of sayin 'twiztid sucks: [chapter 7, subsection e, part 4]', then its extra dumb.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
8:30 am
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August 6, 2013
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I don't think twiztid sucks because of itb, but if I was that poet I would be pissed.
9:38 am
November 8, 2014
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Chuklz said
What parts are similar to you?
The instrumental, it's very very easy to pick out.
9:45 am
October 8, 2014
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Also, sometimes going to court and dealing with lawyer fee's just aint worth it, really. Maybe if it tuned out to be a massive hit, then yes, of course. But most shit just passes by. You really should just give the damn credit anyway. That was fucked up Mono! haha
10:01 am
May 4, 2014
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Could be Cryptomnesia... "when a forgotten memory returns without it being recognized as such by the subject, who believes it is something new and original. It is a memory bias whereby a person may falsely recall generating a thought, an idea, a song, or a joke,[1] not deliberately engaging in plagiarism but rather experiencing a memory as if it were a new inspiration..."
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptomnesia
College says that to avoid plagiarism, any time four or more words are lifted from another source they have to be in quotes and referenced. Underground rap (like comedy) seems more like jewels in a storm drain, though, so I expect pirates; then lawyers. Seems to pale in comparison to Gene Simmons now trying to trademark a rock hand gesture:
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10:16 am
April 15, 2013
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10:26 am
May 9, 2014
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Dude, listen to Esham, early Esham, and tell me he ain't used lines every other rapper used, oh, and the shitton of samples. He just knows how to rock it better than most, and that's all that matters. Then Esham has the nerve to say you can't nibble the scribble?!? Oh, he really is something! Talking about RLP is all about originality... like samples were ever original.
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May 4, 2014
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11:19 am
March 31, 2012
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JiffyLong said
Dude, listen to Esham, early Esham, and tell me he ain't used lines every other rapper used, oh, and the shitton of samples. He just knows how to rock it better than most, and that's all that matters. Then Esham has the nerve to say you can't nibble the scribble?!? Oh, he really is something! Talking about RLP is all about originality... like samples were ever original.
i think it's closed-minded to consider a sample as unoriginal.. a cover is much more-so.. but sampling can be remixed to sound completely different from its original song.. Dr. Dre's sampling was much more like plagiarism than Eshams..
11:39 am
May 9, 2014
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The Warlock said
Dr. Dre's sampling was much more like plagiarism than Eshams..
Which is why I said Esham rocked it much better than most. Dre ain't got shit on Esham.
"Your girl fucked me 'cause you cummin' quicker than FedEx Air"- Sean Law
11:47 am
October 8, 2014
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JiffyLong said
Which is why I said Esham rocked it much better than most. Dre ain't got shit on Esham.
yup, completely agree. Esham is a BEAST on finding those dope samples, and its a lot harder than people think. Finding it is just half the battle.
2:01 pm
April 15, 2013
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The Warlock said
i think it's closed-minded to consider a sample as unoriginal.
Good call. It is more ignorant than close-minded but they go hand in hand, I guess. Paul's Boutique is one of the most original hip-hop records I have ever heard. To this day not much can touch it. Samples in the hands of true artists become legitimate media.
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