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Twiztid stealing lyrics. Now accused of stealing music...
June 15, 2017
11:55 pm
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Child's Play Ninja.
Published on Feb 8, 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zfh97dViiE#t=4m32s

 

Child's Play Ninja.
Published on Jun 15, 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ8h3jVmWbo#t=7m12s

June 16, 2017
12:05 am
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June 16, 2017
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King Lucem Ferre said
CPN is a cuck.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwlxLsNu2_o  

So bad

June 16, 2017
12:47 am
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I'm not sure what you're referring too but I'm going to take a risk and prematurely agree.

June 16, 2017
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Okay, it was my fault for putting a time stamp on the first youtube video. I wanted to jump right to the main issue. Apparently you don't even want to discuss that. Let's try this again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zfh97dViiE

Now, if we watch the whole thing from the beginning, we can see CPN said it was POSSIBLE Twiztid paid for a beat which they in fact did do. Let's move the fuck on shall we?

Responding with name calling CPN is not a substitute for actual debate. Address the def poetry jam issue and the papa roach issue directly please. Or I will just assume you have no argument and that CPN is 100% correct.

June 16, 2017
12:56 am
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who are you talking to?  

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

June 16, 2017
1:17 am
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Hasnt ICP. (and Jumpsteady) been sued like 3 times in the past for ripping off music from midnight syndicate?

June 16, 2017
1:19 am
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Address the def poetry jam issue and the papa roach issue directly please.

June 16, 2017
1:24 am
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nah.  

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

June 16, 2017
1:26 am
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Is that an answer to my newly edited post?

 

Or an answer to the old one you may have seen (before it was edited) where I asked if something was simplified enough for you to comprehend:

vinyllover said:

King Lucem Ferre said
CPN is a cuck.

vinyllover said

Responding with name calling CPN is not a substitute for actual debate. 

Is that simple enough for you? What's 2+2, scruffy? LOL.

June 16, 2017
1:28 am
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vinyllover said
Address the def poetry jam issue and the papa roach issue directly please.  

I'm not watching the fucking video. CPN is a cuck. Wasn't arguing against it, just saying he's a cuck.

 

For the def poetry jam, yeah, it's bullshit that they didn't give credit where it's due. Then again, they also worked on Psychopathic records back then and you'd think that it'd be the label's responsibility as well to give credit where it's due which the label has a bad reputation with. Actually, I'm quite sure that the label handles probably all of that to make sure they don't get sued. Of course you nor he considered that because you are both stupid juggalo cucks.

 

No clue what the Papa Roach thing is, probably complete nonsense because he is a stupid juggalo cuck.

June 16, 2017
1:30 am
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You gotta realize, this is a guy that supported Donald Trump purely for the troll factor. Total cuck.

June 16, 2017
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I'm not watching the fucking video. CPN is a cuck.

And we're back to square one. Allow me to repeat: Responding with name calling CPN is not a substitute for actual debate. Address the def poetry jam issue and the papa roach issue directly please. Or I will just assume you have no argument and that CPN is 100% correct.

No clue what the Papa Roach thing is

I know you have no clue. You just told me you aren't interested in watching the video. in other words, you are not interested in a serious debate with arguments, counter arguments and evidence. I already know you aren't taking this seriously.

this is a guy that supported Donald Trump purely for the troll factor.

CPN and/or Donald Trump have nothing to do with Twiztid stealing lyrics and apparently now stealing a riff from Papa Roach.

For the def poetry jam, yeah, it's bullshit that they didn't give credit where it's due. Then again, they also worked on Psychopathic records back then and you'd think that it'd be the label's responsibility as well to give credit where it's due which the label has a bad reputation with. Actually, I'm quite sure that the label handles probably all of that to make sure they don't get sued. Of course you nor he considered that because you are both stupid juggalo cucks.

So it's ICP's and Jump Steady's fault? Maybe they hadn't seen the def poetry jam and maybe Twiztid was hoping they wouldn't have. Maybe Twiztid was also hoping nobody would notice. Well it doesn't matter. It has been noticed and needs to be addressed.  ICP and Jump Steady if they missed it, are/were simply ignorant of the def poetry jam. Accidents happen. Twiztid is not blameless in this.

Nor are they blameless for ripping off a papa roach riff and putting it on their album. Especially since they're on their own label now and have been for years.

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June 16, 2017
1:43 am
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Finally, I am not a juggalo. As I explained here in my first post, I am a fan of many juggalo related music acts and albums. Especially the older material from the 90's and early 2000's. And I do not cuck to Psychophatic Records, Violent J or CPN. In fact, if you check the Will Sigler topic in the Psychopathic Records section of the board, you will see I have agreed AND DISAGREED with both Chuck Reeves AND CPN on various issues. I don't pick sides. I only try to pick the best evidence that is available to me. And right now, evidence clearly points to Twiztid lifting words from Def Poetry Jam and lifting music from Papa Roach. I happily reversed my stance on Will Sigler when proper evidence came my way and I will easily do the same regarding the Papa Roach thing if someone can forward me something very convincing. I gotta say, CPN has pointed out a very damning similarity between Papa Roach and Twiztid. A band that has been caught once lifting things without giving credit may be liable to do it again. Just sayin'.

Whoop Whoop vinyllover :

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June 16, 2017
1:53 am
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vinyllover said

I'm not watching the fucking video. CPN is a cuck.

And we're back to square one. Allow me to repeat: Responding with name calling CPN is not a substitute for actual debate. Address the def poetry jam issue and the papa roach issue directly please. Or I will just assume you have no argument and that CPN is 100% correct.

Yeah, calling you and CPN cucks is not an argument. Just random facts. You two are retarded juggalo cucks that like to watch clowns fuck. Sorry you can't handle that truth. Again, since you are a juggalo and have a hard time processing information, that is not a point of argument, it's just fact pointing. Nothing to do with the discussion. You're committing the logical fallacy fallacy because you are too cowardly to handle opposing opinions and you know it.

No clue what the Papa Roach thing is

I know you have no clue. You just told me you aren't interested in watching the video. in other words, you are not interested in a serious debate with arguments, counter arguments and evidence. I already know you aren't taking this seriously.

I had not intent of it. I had the intent of calling CPN out for being a cuck. But if you really want to be proven to being a clown worshiping retard that can't accept facts I'll do it.

this is a guy that supported Donald Trump purely for the troll factor.

CPN and/or Donald Trump have nothing to do with Twiztid stealing lyrics and apparently now stealing a riff from Papa Roach.

No shit it didn't have any thing to do with that but had everything to do with me displaying the kind of ignorant attention seeking assery this guy displays.

For the def poetry jam, yeah, it's bullshit that they didn't give credit where it's due. Then again, they also worked on Psychopathic records back then and you'd think that it'd be the label's responsibility as well to give credit where it's due which the label has a bad reputation with. Actually, I'm quite sure that the label handles probably all of that to make sure they don't get sued. Of course you nor he considered that because you are both stupid juggalo cucks.

So it's ICP's and Jump Steady's fault? Maybe they hadn't seen the def poetry jam and maybe Twiztid was hoping they wouldn't have. Maybe Twiztid was also hoping nobody would notice. Well it doesn't matter. It has been noticed and needs to be addressed.  ICP and Jump Steady if they missed it, are/were simply ignorant of the def poetry jam. Accidents happen. Twiztid is not blameless in this.

I didn't say they weren't. I infact said it was shitty. But you are a stupid juggalo cuck desperate to hate. I just pointed out how you refuse to go to the other people responsible for that stuff. Which, of course you jumped through hoops to defend your clown gods because there is no way they could have fucked up and it was always all Twiztid's fault despite that label always having problems giving credit where it's do. Blame goes both ways. Hell, Twiztid didn't give Joe Strange all the credits for playing some instruments on The Darkness.

Nor are they blameless for ripping off a papa roach riff and putting it on their album. Especially since they're on their own label now and have been for years.  

Now tell me. If I actually spend MY fucking time to listen to both riffs will it be a complete waste of my time when I realize that they both used a generic sounding riff? It probably is. Knowing CPN. And obviously you.

June 16, 2017
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Yeah, calling you and CPN cucks is not an argument. Just random facts.

Good. At least you admit ad hominems are not pertinent. Let's stick to the issue already set up at the outset about Papa Roach.

if you really want to be proven to being a clown worshiping retard that can't accept facts I'll do it.

Alright. watch the 2nd video where I set the timestamp. It's where CPN compares the riff from Papa Roach to that new Twiztid song. Go ahead and prove me wrong. I await a better argument and better evidence.

If I actually spend MY fucking time to listen to both riffs will it be a complete waste of my time when I realize that they both used a generic sounding riff? It probably is.

Yeah. I realize 60 seconds of your life is a lot of time to waste. Especially given that you could have listened to it the first time several posts back and just given me your opinion already. Instead you have chosen to somehow use your time better, by actually wasting more time taking an ad hominem detour and typing out that long post which took longer than 60 seconds. LOL. Brilliant.

Now that I have reduced your excuse making to the absurdity it truly is, shall I take your refusal to actually listen to the two riffs as an admission that I'm right? I mean you say you'll prove me wrong, and yet you refuse to do so. Why? I think I know.

June 16, 2017
2:15 am
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vinyllover said

Yeah, calling you and CPN cucks is not an argument. Just random facts.

Good. At least you admit ad hominems are not pertinent. Let's stick to the issue already set up at the outset about Papa Roach.

if you really want to be proven to being a clown worshiping retard that can't accept facts I'll do it.

Alright. watch the 2nd video where I set the timestamp. It's where CPN compares the riff from Papa Roach to that new Twiztid song. Go ahead and prove me wrong. I await a better argument and better evidence.

If I actually spend MY fucking time to listen to both riffs will it be a complete waste of my time when I realize that they both used a generic sounding riff? It probably is.

Yeah. I realize 60 seconds of your life is a lot of time to waste. Especially given that you could have listened to it the first time several posts back and just given me your opinion already. Instead you have chosen to somehow use your time better, by actually wasting more time taking an ad hominem detour and typing out that long post which took longer than 60 seconds. LOL. Brilliant.
Now that I have reduced your excuse making to the absurdity it truly is, shall I take your refusal to actually listen to the two riffs as an admission that I'm right and that you're just faking that you haven't listened to it?  

A logical fallacy fallacy in form of an ad hominem. You're so much more brilliant.

 

So I got one point proven to be a load of hyperbolic bullshit. Now I refuse to watch that cucks video. If you want to send me the two songs with time stamps I will waste my time for you, you filthy little juggalo cuck. And again, the main point you completely ignored. Is this going to be something actually worth noting or is it a generic riff used through out rock music?

June 16, 2017
2:19 am
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A logical fallacy fallacy

Only if I'm wrong. And I wasn't wrong to say that calling CPN a cuck is not an argument; that it is not a substitute for actual debate/evidence.

If you want to send me the two songs with time stamps I will waste my time for you, you filthy little juggalo cuck.

CPN already has the two clips set up in his second video and I put the time stamp on there so it jumps there immediately. Your personal hatred for the guy is not an excuse to ignore evidence. Then again, it seems typical of you since you keep calling me a juggalo when I have clearly explained elsewhere I do not identify as a juggalo. Clearly, facts don't matter to you.

Generic and used throughout rock music? So you intend to show me the other songs that used it before Papa Roach? Be my guest. I'd actually like to see that. Still doesn't mean Twiztid didn't hear it from Papa Roach only and still decided to take it anyway.

June 16, 2017
2:27 am
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vinyllover said

A logical fallacy fallacy

Only if I'm wrong. And I wasn't wrong to say that calling CPN a cuck is not an argument; that it is not a substitute for actual debate/evidence.

You obviously don't get what the logical fallacy fallacy is. It's where you point out a logical fallacy as a way to debunk the whole point of view. Just because I like to point out you're a cuck and CPN doesn't mean my argument is wrong.

If you want to send me the two songs with time stamps I will waste my time for you, you filthy little juggalo cuck.

CPN already has the two clips set up in his second video and I put the time stamp on there so it jumps there immediately. Your personal hatred for the guy is not an excuse to ignore evidence. Then again, it seems typical of you since you keep calling me a juggalo when I have clearly explained elsewhere I do not identify as a juggalo. Clearly, facts don't matter to you.

Just because you say you're not a juggalo cuck doesn't mean it's true. I can already see the juggalo cuck oozing from you. I'm not ignoring evidence. I'm just not watching his video. And I gave you the alternative which would conveniently fit both of our needs.

Generic used throughout rock music? So you intend to show me the other songs that used it before Papa Roach? Be my guest. I'd actually like to see that.  

Maybe. I don't listen to rock much, but I know a generic riff when I hear one. Then again, you refused to post evidence outside of a filthy CPN video or even mention which songs you are referring to.

June 16, 2017
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Well since CPN triggers you so much, here you are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMVbgKB5vKY

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