And as far as lying, Mel Gibson would never do that sir. All the bible historians around here just rave about him, he sends fruit at Christmas.

I think the purpose was to show his suffering to the extreme because in real life it might have even been worse back then. Most Christians would have not willingly gone through half of that for their faith. Jesus apparently knew that's what was going to happen but he didn't go the other way. He also did say Father, forgive them for they know not what they do, while on the cross. 

Here's Pacal the great blasting off in his spaceship

Thats the point I was trying to make though. Why do we have to show suffering to move people? Where are we as a society where we are moved more by negativity and violence than love? People would've thought the movie boring had it been about his life and teachings….and yes even though columbus wasn't spanish he was funded by them to make the trip

purely speculation man there's no proof of the Scandinavians in mexico? they discovered northern parts of america Greenland etc. your right though that people were there before the spanish, otherwise  the incans and maya culture wouldn't have existed. I merely said in that one statement the world as a whole didn't know about the mexican civilizations until the spanish came across them     Cabal said:

Well, what would shake you out of your shell more? Someone telling you they will fuck you up or someone fucking you up? 

 

I don't disagree with that statement but its beside the point. I just wish it didn't take  terrorist attacks and people shooting up schools and theatres to bring us closer to each other is all im saying. Remember 9/11? everyone put aside race,politics, and class for a short time. We were just americans.  

 

Slumerican502 said:

purely speculation man there's no proof of the Scandinavians in mexico? they discovered northern parts of america Greenland etc. your right though that people were there before the spanish, otherwise  the incans and maya culture wouldn't have existed. I merely said in that one statement the world as a whole didn't know about the mexican civilizations until the spanish came across them     Cabal said:

 

There's evidence in Newfoundland, Canada they were there. New discoveries are hinting at the Chinese as well. You don't think the Chinese found the west coast of America? We don't cover them in our school books. Eurocentrism has made history a little cloudy at times…

Bro newfoundland is northern America  like I said. not fucking mexico. And again I never said people didn't come before the spanish. Just that the mexican civilizations were unknown the “civilized” world before the spanish trips to the americas. 

Are you fuckin with me? lol were are arguing about two different things man. Reread these last few posts. For a third time im not disputing the scandinavians(vikings) or the chinese discovery of america. Just reiterating on my post from yesterday that spanish discovered the mexican civilizations and made it known to the rest of the world. Of course people were there before the spanish.  your trying to make an argument where there isn't one

What about the Pyramids in South America? That's the real interesting stuff here. What about the Sumerian and Egyptian similarities with early civilizations in South America? Now there's a story…

The best evidence. They mapped it out first with trade routes and all.

They're still finding even older maps from China that seemed to know it too 

We don't know if they forgot them. Trade routes could mean they were helping them grow. Then Europeans raped and pillaged when they found it like they do to most countries. There seems to be somewhat of a cold “history” war going on with Europe and China throughout the ages and that could be why they decided to leave it alone. They also had many civil wars going on themselves.

There's even evidence from a Chinese shipwreck in Africa around the time. 

As long as the general consensus is “I'm right”, it must be difficult to find the truth. We don't know shit about early Chinese either but their dynasties date before Christ, and that's a fact.