5:59 pm
December 3, 2012
Brother Kudos to you for actually wanting to get involved. I just really don't believe that any one man is making any decisions. I believe he and the house/congress are in the pocket of their constituents. The Fortune 50 people,the elite of the elite. The people footing the bill for these elections. and the three branches have all gotten into a “you scratch my back ill scratch yours” mentality. Which is why imo lobbying should be illegal… Who do you think wrote up this assigning statement bill you speak of? not just one man. You may be right in that the balance has began to waver, but somebody had to have given him this power you speak of. Maybe Im a cynic but I really do think we need a Revolution. And im not the only one. Im sure you've heard of the petitions to succeed from the union. People are fed up and things will eventually come to a head. “till that day ima just protect my fam with ammo”llal
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6:25 pm
September 18, 2012
It's just that, the reason we have this corruption is because people didn't get involved in politics. People are intimidated by it. It all seems complicated on the outside, but once you are inside you realize that it's simpler than it seems.
It's like scruffy said recently, people don't like being the ones responsible for their own destruction so the make up a boogie man.
I think a “revolution” is a bit drastic. Again, Scruffy (this is why Scruffy is my favorite person on here)said this way back when somebody else brought up the idea of a revolution. You start a revolution and by some miracle you win, then what? You have no plan on how to build a society, or a proper governing system, do you?
This system, this government is a brilliant one, if it were to stick to it's fundamental routes and work the way it's supposed to.
Things happened that changed how our government works, mainly because nobody stopped it. A revolution will not repair the damages of this country, and will in fact probably make them worse.
Oh, and when's the last time you ever tried to get involved or ever tried to change something that you thought was fundamentally wrong with our government. It's like, people act as if our government isn't listening, when in reality the government can't hear you because you don't speak.
7:23 pm
December 3, 2012
No man the reason we have this corruption is the constitution wasn't written for a country this big. Its outdated and obsolete. And I seem to remember learning something about a revolution here in america already… about 200 years ago. they rebuilt from the ground up and so could we. It happens in civilization all the time. Not saying me personally because im not bright enough to have all the answers. I do get involved with politics indirectly by keeping myself informed and exchanging information with people like you to give and take new perspectives. If you can get even one person to think independently than you've done a service imo. Btw what precisely do you mean by get involved? showing up at party meetings? passing out flyers? what good does that do if our plea's fall on deaf ears? What good does it do to get involved into a political structure where money talks and the divide between the rich and poor is growing? I think we need to get involved with people not politics… you want to help throw away the politics and try to speak directly to the human heart
“A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny!- Thomas Jefferson.
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7:56 pm
September 18, 2012
No, this government is not outdated, it's been warped into something completely different from what it was supposed to be.
President has too much power, they specifically balanced out the powers of all three branches to not give one branch or one man too much power.
The president is held too much as a savior, the Federalist papers specifically say that president is not supposed to be spiritual leader or somebody who is looked up to.
The federal reserve , a central banking system. Our independence from the Brittan was based around escaping this central banking system.
What are you referring to as a revolution? The civil war? Civil war is not even close to the revolution you are talking about.
When the constitution was written there were 6 basic issues that were supposed to be addressed.
The first of them was to balance the powers between the rich people and the common people
The second thing was to try to give larger states and smaller states equal rights.
The third thing was to give the states and the national government separate powers.
The fourth thing was to make leadership transparent, to make sure the common people know exactly what is going in government.
The fifth thing is slave trade, yes they wanted to free the black people from slavery back then, the only reason why they didn't is because they knew it would cause a huge riff in the country and split it apart. They couldn't risk that during these early stages because if they did we probably wouldn't have a country anymore.
The sixth thing is the Native Americans, how to deal with them and try to make it fair for them. We kind of forgot about that now days.
Now you know that our government planned all along to free the black people and stop the slave trade. They just didn't do it until the Civil war when they finally came to the conclusion that something had to be done about it. This was not people rising against their government and recreating a new government, this was the government finally fulfilling one of it's duties and freeing the slaves.
This is assuming that you are referring to the Civil war.
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SPOOKYtheFUNGI8:14 pm
December 3, 2012
Of course im talking about our independence from brittish rule. A revolution is overthrowing the government or social order thats in place for a new and hopefully better system. These men were smart enough to know to get away from the grips of the brittish powers that be. That this central banking system was detrimental to the well being of the society we were trying to conceive here in america. Whether it was about taxes or not doesn't matter. What matters is the system wasn't working and we wanted our independence to create our own. And if the majority of america feels the same way nowadays, we have a clause in our declaration of rights to overthrow our tyrannical government and start over.——”We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,…” ****
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Where reptile aliens made of light
Cut you open and pull out all your pain
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8:55 pm
September 18, 2012
There is a huge difference between that and this. In the revolutionary war we had an idea of what we wanted to happen. We came to America with an idea of what we want in government. Now, nobody has a clue what they want from their government. Nobody has any outline of what kind of new government they want. Tell me what differences you'd make. I mean, you can't want a revolution with nothing in mind. The whole, “well I can't come up with it” excuse won't work because you are talking about a damn war. What about the actual outline of what our government is supposed to be do you think is flawed?
I find it funny how you are so quick to start a revolution, but you don't give a shit enough to at least vote or to make the presence of a genuinely good politician known. Or to even find a more rational way to make a difference.
I didn't think you were talking about the revolutionary war because you said, ” I seem to remember learning something about a revolution here in america already… about 200 years ago. they rebuilt from the ground up and so could we.” We did build from the ground up, but it wasn't us rebuilding from the ground up. We were beginning the process of becoming a country, not scrapping faulty government and starting over again. We were finally escaping and starting what we wanted. This was us breaking free from a government that wasn't even ours. This was us becoming independent finally.
We don't need to start over from scratch, we need to go back to what it was supposed to be. We only need to get rid of a few crucial things, not every fucking thing that is our government. We need to demand things, make our voices heard. What is the greatest way to do this? Definitely not some irrational war. Speak up. Vote. Pay attention. Actually do something. If all else fails, then you need a revolution, and that's only if they actually start detaining people for speaking against government. I heard this in a skit on a Hed PE song and it reigns true, “If the people will lead then leaders will follow”. You aren't leading, you are hiding. You are hiding, pointing fingers and making excuses.
The biggest trick that these corrupt money hungry snakes that run our country have played on us is the illusion that our voices don't matter anymore.
9:13 pm
patjoyce said:
Yes, they made a calendar. No, it’s not a monumental achievement. Writing on rocks isn’t anything special either, I can go outside and do that shit right now.
If the Mayan’s calendar isn’t so amazing, why is it still more accurate then our current one is? we have a leap year every four years to make it more exact. Even the Mayan elders say they don’t know exactly when the old age will end and the new one will begin. They expect it to be 2012-2016. Everyone always argues about info of the Mayans, but has anyone actually interviewed a Mayan elder? Its all scholars and white people saying what they think the Mayan’s believe! The only scholarly person who has received approval from the Mayans to write about their beliefs is Drunvalo Melchizedek.
Anyone can go write on a rock, ancient humans didn’t do it because it was difficult! They engraved rocks with information so it would not be lost over the ages. What else can stand the test of time? Paper decays, technology can be lost, books can be burned… That’s why all of the ancient monuments are made out of stone…
As far as blaming the government for our problems, the 99% have nobody to blame but themselves for allowing it to happen! Given the chance to have political power most of the 99% would try and increase their personal profits and status in society too. The Mayan's predict a shift in consciousness, this is where it needs to happen.
9:24 pm
November 30, 2012
They didn’t have paper and as far as them worrying about lost technology……dude, they didn’t have light. Okay? I know drawing on a stone is hard to do, but before we go calling this a big accomplishment, let’s take into consideration how much time these people had on their hands. It’s not like they had to get up and go to work. They should look nice.
9:27 pm
September 18, 2012
metalhedlette said:
As far as blaming the government for our problems, the 99% have nobody to blame but themselves for allowing it to happen! Given the chance to have political power most of the 99% would try and increase their personal profits and status in society too. The Mayan's predict a shift in consciousness, this is where it needs to happen.
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9:46 pm
November 21, 2012
9:46 pm
December 3, 2012
Man what you don't seem to get is a revolution doesn't have to be a violent war. It can start with one person and one idea that spreads enough that everyone does speak up. Its a change a new beginning. No im not hiding behind anything. wtf is an honest politician? do you know one? how do you seperate them? you speak of me sitting back doing nothing but what exactly your doing thats making an impact you've failed to mention. I haven't given up on america or myself at all, and I believe we can be great again. Ive voted in the past in local state and federal elections but it seems to me that they are all snake oil salesmen and they don't do what the will of the people dictates but what they are coerced to do by their fundraisers or their own personal ideologys. And it would be nice to go back to the way things were but its not a realistic goal. The over balance of power as you put it is a result of our government as a whole. the manipulation of the constitution that our forefathers tried so hard to prevent with amendments and bills like the one you spoke of earlier. I Love my country and the princibles we were founded on. But its not working anymore.Things are falling apart and people ARE being heard. go look at the petitions on the whitehouse.gov website for succession(which i signed for kentucky by the way). Do you really think even though we have thousands upon thousands of signatures that they will bend to our will? No we need the federal government out of our life or pretty soon they will be in every aspect of our lives. look at the juggalo fbi thing going on. Trying to tell use that what is and isn't ok to listen to. We are fucking sheep that care about Honey Boo Boo more than the state of the union. The best we can do as citizens is take care of ourselves and talk to people about things that matter like we are doing now. Even though we completely disagree I respect the fact that you have an opinion. You really want to help? Try talking to people and helping them generate their own opinions. Because most americans are ok with just getting by. Thats how we change. Thats how we start a new order
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9:50 pm

March 31, 2012
10:00 pm
December 3, 2012
to much for bullets llal. Basically we both love our country but disagree about what can be done to help it
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10:04 pm

March 31, 2012
10:52 pm
patjoyce said:
They didn't have paper and as far as them worrying about lost technology……dude, they didn't have light. Okay? I know drawing on a stone is hard to do, but before we go calling this a big accomplishment, let's take into consideration how much time these people had on their hands. It's not like they had to get up and go to work. They should look nice.
Even prehistoric cavemen had candles made from lard! Humans have had fire and candlelight for thousands of years, our ancestors weren't stupid! There just wasn't a standardized education system at the point! Papyrus has been made in Egypt for at least the last 5,000 years! The only reason they didn't use paper in south america was because they had developed a language based on various kinds of knots called Quipu, or talking knots, that has been around for just as long as egyptian papyrus!
As for the ancients having extra time on their hands…do you know how much time and effort it takes to hunt / gather / grow / and make absolutely everything you need to survive? Today everyone just goes to Walmart. You suggest that our ancestors were ignorant, but i see many ignorant people plaguing the planet today! At least our ancestors knew how to survive and provide for their own needs. In modern times, nearly everyone can read (in the 'civilized world') but how many of them could actually live off the land like the ancients did? Don't call them stupid until you walk in their shoes!
11:09 pm
I agree with metaheadlette. Fire marks the begining of civilization. hunters gathered around a fire is how social structure was formed so yes they had light. And how does one measure IQ.?they may be stupid to you but if put in their situation would you survive? The skills needed to live differ between us and them so there isn't a basis to make a comparison. I know id be fucked if left out in a jungle with nothing.
11:46 pm
September 18, 2012
Slumerican502 said:
Man what you don't seem to get is a revolution doesn't have to be a violent war. It can start with one person and one idea that spreads enough that everyone does speak up. Its a change a new beginning. No im not hiding behind anything. wtf is an honest politician? do you know one? how do you seperate them? you speak of me sitting back doing nothing but what exactly your doing thats making an impact you've failed to mention. I haven't given up on america or myself at all, and I believe we can be great again. Ive voted in the past in local state and federal elections but it seems to me that they are all snake oil salesmen and they don't do what the will of the people dictates but what they are coerced to do by their fundraisers or their own personal ideologys. And it would be nice to go back to the way things were but its not a realistic goal. The over balance of power as you put it is a result of our government as a whole. the manipulation of the constitution that our forefathers tried so hard to prevent with amendments and bills like the one you spoke of earlier. I Love my country and the princibles we were founded on. But its not working anymore.Things are falling apart and people ARE being heard. go look at the petitions on the whitehouse.gov website for succession(which i signed for kentucky by the way). Do you really think even though we have thousands upon thousands of signatures that they will bend to our will? No we need the federal government out of our life or pretty soon they will be in every aspect of our lives. look at the juggalo fbi thing going on. Trying to tell use that what is and isn't ok to listen to. We are fucking sheep that care about Honey Boo Boo more than the state of the union. The best we can do as citizens is take care of ourselves and talk to people about things that matter like we are doing now. Even though we completely disagree I respect the fact that you have an opinion. You really want to help? Try talking to people and helping them generate their own opinions. Because most americans are ok with just getting by. Thats how we change. Thats how we start a new order
I agree with what you say, and I've stated what I've done and said that I'll be one of the first to take responsibility if our government fails us with in the next four years.
Making people generate their own opinions is a great thing, especially if we can get people to act and stand up for their opinions. I still believe that the fundamental reason why we don't get heard is because not enough of us are speaking up. Not enough people are educated enough on what's going on in their country. People just don't seem to actually care anymore. I can't name a sound politician because like I said I've been to busy worrying about what I'm going to eat or where I'm going to sleep or how I'm going to pay for schooling, trying to find a job, etc. All of those major distractions. I honestly only recently started paying attention and looking into what's happening in my government.
Congrats to you though, on contrary to my assumptions and judgements you actually tried and if our government fails us you can say that you tried to prevent it. I honestly appreciate the effort you put into helping.
I can agree on a non violent revolution, I just don't agree that we need to start from scratch.
3:02 am
November 30, 2012
Let me re-phrase that, they didn’t have electricity. People today have just adapted to their environment, we would be living just fine off the land if nothing had progressed, like say the dark ages never ended. We’d all just deal with it like they did, we’d have to. Trust me, if the Mayans had a WalMart, they would’ve been there. And as for walking in their shoes……they didn’t have those either.
6:12 am
November 30, 2012
Mel Gibson wrote a movie about the Mayan culture and how they roll. It’s dope too. If you’re interested in the day to day life of the Mayans then I highly suggest that you watch it. It’s called The Passion of the Christ. Everybody has bones in their noses and they’re all basically just dicks in general. There’s probably even a calendar in there too, you can hit pause and stare at it while you take in the magnificence of absolutely nothing special at all. Check it out…..and you’re welcome.
9:01 am
September 18, 2012
patjoyce said:
Mel Gibson wrote a movie about the Mayan culture and how they roll. It's dope too. If you're interested in the day to day life of the Mayans then I highly suggest that you watch it. It's called The Passion of the Christ. Everybody has bones in their noses and they're all basically just dicks in general. There's probably even a calendar in there too, you can hit pause and stare at it while you take in the magnificence of absolutely nothing special at all. Check it out…..and you're welcome.
People who take Mel Gibson movies as historical documentaries or fucking idiots. Why would I trust Mel Gibson to provide a factual portrayal of an ancient culture? He didn't even get the crucifixion of Jesus correct, the real Christians have been ranting about him leaving out the part where he forgave the Jews at the end. Not only that, their are countless blasphemies and fuck ups and just random bullshit that he added to the movie that highly enrage the bible scholars. No, seriously, look this shit up they have long, long lists of all the fuck ups Mel Gibson made in that movie. He can't even follow the bible correctly and you expect me to believe that he can portray an ancient culture correctly? An ancient culture which is probably much harder to find information on then the damn bible.
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