Who are “they”? I mean, when it comes to bullshit going on like 911 inside jobs and stuff like that, that's believable. When people start bringing up the pedophile owl worshiping rituals, that's when I get skeptical.

I honestly want to know what pagan society worshiped owls or anything like that.

iLLtheClown said:

The fast movers are to fictitious to me. The thought that they're like predators just seems to flawed. But the thought of them being large in numbers moving slowly and acting like plague is more terrorfying.

Hell yea! That's zombie shit 

The others are just infected….If Quentin Tarantino won't argue it, neither will I. 

I'm not denying the Bohemian Grove incident, during my research (I'll admit it was very brief and not very thorough) on what the significance of an owl is I saw videos on it. Didn't watch them, but I trust that they are legit. I just don't see the importance of it. Who exactly was worshiping the owl?

Preachy the Clown said:

I think this link might help you out some kind of a long read but u dont seem to be intimidated by reading.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com…..ft/owl.htm

I'm sorry Preachy, but I have to tell you this, and this has nothing to do with your religious beliefs or anything, but jesus is savior is full of fucking shit. I know for a fact they are full of shit. They said that the Illuminati were a bunch of Jewish Nazis. No, I really read that on there doing research on occult beliefs. That are extremely anti Jew there. They also claim that Anton LaVey has a small penis.

“When someone coined the phrase “dynamite comes in small packages” the phrase was an apt description of Anton LaVey. (Released photographs of LaVey prevent people from realizing how short his is.)”

Direct quote from their website.Proves how ridiculous and fucking child like they really are.

I mean, they have all of their shit twisted up and packaged to anybody gullible enough to believe it. I've done real research on their beliefs. I've done the real digging and the real looking.

Their claims on Crowley? He didn't worship the devil. The basis of his beliefs are around The Book Of The Law, to be a Thelemite all you have to do is believe in the core meaning of this book, and the rest of the book us up to one's own self to decipher. Nowhere, not one part of that book says to worship the devil.

I also like how they mention that he was a heroin addict yet forget to mention that the only reason he was addicted to heroin was because he was prescribed heroin.Because, back then, they didn't know better and prescribed heroin to people with asthma.

This is one of the reasons I believe Christians get a bad name. Many Christian organizations lie to people's faces and make up complete bullshit.

Slumerican502 said:

I think itd be best for us to leave this conversation alone lol. I don't believe either side of it. Lucem is write in that crowley didn't worship satan tho man I looked it up after our talk the other day. That being said im sure alot of thelemites do worship satan.And thats where people like jesus is savior stretch information to conform to what they believe. Neither of you really know who is wrong. Its like the “blue car syndrome” you buy a blue ford and all the sudden you start seeing blue fords all over the road everywhere. If you are reaching for information you are going to find it good or bad.

I believe that most Thelemites are atheist though, because every single one that I've heard from states that they are atheist.

Me personally though, (this is the biggest reason why I stopped trying to believe in Christ) I don't worship Lucifer but I relate to him. I never like to condemn something as just evil, I like to find out why it's evil or why it's condemned because you never learn anything if you just condemn with out asking questions. Also, there's always multiple sides to a story so I always wondered why Lucifer did what he did, what's his side of the story? That lead to the question, “What did Lucifer actually do that was really evil?”  Which lead to the realization that Lucifer never really did anything evil, all he really did (and this is coming from multiple Christians) was reject god. The fact that he's been condemned as evil and hated just for not worshiping god lead me to believe that god was really the evil one.

So I feel that Lucifer is just a scapegoat. I believe that Lucifer is unjustly condemned. I believe that Lucifer is a victim.

I don't mean to be offensive and I don't mean to egg him on or make matters worse but I don't like holding my tongue on this stuff. It's like, why do we have to leave this alone? I think people need to be open about this stuff, especially if you are passionate about it.

It's like you're taught not to question him though. It's just poisoning the well when you say things like “when u follow even the idea he has deceived you too.” I also want to know how he has actually brought corruption, what accusations and lies has he brought to humanity?

To me, God embodies hate, I've seen much more hate in God's actions than any others.

I have to tell you though, you're story is a dime a dozen, and I'm sorry but I hate it when people tell me that story. The reason why is because you claim that your life was negative before Christ and that you needed Christ to give you the positive boost that you have. You didn't need a God or a Christ, you needed some positivity. You're positivity just came to you in the form of Christ. I mean, I believe that you just looked up to Christ as a manifestation of the positivity you needed in your life. This is beyond whether god is real or evil or anything like that, I think that you had the positivity inside you the whole time you just didn't use it until then. It's like when you give somebody a piece of candy and tell them that it's a pill that will make them better at something. That said person does better at that specific thing because they believed that that candy was a pill to make them better and they had the confidence to actually do better. Truth is that the candy had no effect an that person's ability, the person just needed the confidence in that ability and the belief that that candy would give them said ability really just gave them the confidence.

I despise god because I find him to be unjust and evil. It's not for what he doesn't do but what he does do. When I look out at the bad shit at the world I don't wonder why god lets it happen, I wonder why we, people, let it happen. I have manic depression and my heart sinks lower than the earth and I feel like I'm trapped in a never ending abyss of darkness, I don't blame god for that because I don't believe in him.

When you say you adopted the “do what you will” life style I think you are referring to Crowley's “Do What Thou Wilt”. I think you also misinterpret what he means by it. What he's saying is that you should find out what makes you happy and do it. Find your own purpose instead of waiting for somebody to tell you what your purpose is. I personally find that much more comforting than believing my purpose is to serve a god. I also want to point out how Crowley also teaches that everything has a consequence. You can choose to be indulgent and greedy for short immediate happiness, or you could find something positive to bring you true happiness. The second is what Crowley encourages.

When I stopped trying to believe I noticed how open I became. I was just as hateful then as I am now, just for a different reason. I hated people who didn't believe in god. I thought that anybody who disagreed with my beliefs or who had done anything that even bothered me deserved to burn in hell. Now, I know it's not religion or Christ or God that gave me that way of thinking but I don't think they helped. I'm not saying this is the same for you because it's probably not, but when I started looking at the world form selfless view, that's when I started to loose my ability to try and believe. That's when I grew a new hatred which is for the way people treat each other rather than the way I perceived people to treat me. Instead of seeing the differences I started seeing myself in other people and that's when started feeling their pain. So now days my hatred derives from having to see others suffer, yet watching them project their pain onto others. It also comes from speaking when nobody is listening. From being condemned with out people trying to understand me even though I take the time to understand them. I'm not going to lie, I've been in dark state of depression and pure hatred for about four years. I've questioned everything and especially my own existence. This is something I'm going to have to fix though. I'm going to have to find out what it is that I need to fill this gap in my heart on my own. I know that it's not a religion though, religion never made me feel I had a purpose, in fact it actually made me feel that I had less of a purpose. I do have to say that this black mass that has infected me for four years has taught me a lot. A lot about myself as well as a lot about the world around me. I think that this black mass in my heart has made me a better person.

Video changed?

I'm sorry but I found something I disagree with. Fear is not the absence of love because a lot of times fear can be felt with a mixture of love. I think hate is the opposite of love even though they both seem to be intertwined and inspired by each other. Hate is all of your negative emotions mixed into one. Your anger, your sadness, your fear your depression. etc.. Love is all of your positivity in mixed into one. Your happiness, your joy, your courage, etc.

I completely agree with the rest though.

Everybody is a hypocrite with something.