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This here's for those that feel that NUMBERS are valid representation of FACTS.
Here are the Box Office Results (so far) for Ghostbusters (2016)
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/w.....end/chart/
The movie OPENED AT THIRD its first week. Then it fell to FIFTH PLACE its SECOND WEEK. This week (its third week if yer following) it FELL TO SEVENTH.
IT STILL HAS YET TO EVEN MAKE ITS BUDGET BACK!!!!!!!! AND THAT INCLUDES CURRENT GLOBAL TICKET RECEIPTS. (of course it doesn't help that China banned the movie so there's a couple hundred more tickets not sold)
SO let's put some perspective on this shit. I mean, we're talking about the movie that was supposed to be SOOOO amazing as to "relaunch" an entire franchise and get that mainline of cash flowing instead of just the IV drip of fandom and fundage they've been getting for three decades from a movie that "apparently" needed to be completely washed out...
Here's the Box Office Results for the original Ghostbusters (1984)
http://www.the-numbers.com/mov.....box-office
Now, I totally suck at maths and can't do the whole cross-referencing for inflation and number of theaters in existence at the time but we don't really need those numbers in the face of other information, LIKE:
Ghostbusters (1984, ugh) premiered at #1 AND STAYED THERE FOR SEVEN WEEKS! It was bumped out of first the following week by the premiere of "Purple Rain". The following week IT WENT BACK TO #1 and managed to stay one of the Top 3 movies in the country for SEVENTEEN WEEKS!
Some of you might say, "Well, "Finding Dory" came out etc, etc". Heh, heh... Let's take a look at what Ghostbusters (1984, grrr) was opening up AGAINST back in the day...
http://www.the-numbers.com/mov.....box-office
We're talking about STRAIGHT UP FUCKING CLASSICS OF AMERICAN FILM!!! Gremlins, The NeverEnding Story, The Karate Kid, The Last Starfighter, The Muppets Take Manhattan, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, Bachelor Party, Conan the Destroyer, Revenge of the Nerds, Cannonball Run II, Star Trek III: The Search For Spock, Romancing The Stone, Top Secret!, Police Academy, The Natural, Breakin', Beat Street, (the original) Jungle Book, Red Dawn, Cloak and Dagger, The Adventures of Buckaroo Bonzai.( We were fucking spoiled rotten at the movies as kids, weren't we?! 
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"Ghostbusters" (1984, smh) fended off ALL these titles! THAT is what fuckin' makes an enduring thirty year love affair with a movie! Look at the fuckin' list and act like fuckin' "Finding Dory" would have taken down this list the same way it did the 2016 "version".
Numbers don't lie, folks. The new POS Ghostbusters is (or should definitely be considered) dead in the fucking water. Throw that shit out like a prom night dumpster baby! (Where's the "You fucked up!" chants when you need 'em?)
ps @potato-tan You may wanna reread the thread. The new movie IS a reboot. The original movie never happened. All the same, I'm glad you never got the feeling like someone had stolen your hard earned movie dollar... but when yer just givin' it away freely, one can hardly call it stealing, eh? [just messin'
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Point proven and we all get to walk away with a sense of smug righteousness. 
...and I'm through with this one!
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11:42 pm
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Cheshyr said
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"Ghostbusters" (1984, smh) fended off ALL these titles! THAT is what fuckin' makes an enduring thirty year love affair with a movie!
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nah.
sales numbers aint shit, even adjusted however they may adjust. what makes me loves a movie for thirty years is that its a good fuckin movie. in fact, doesnt even have to be 'good'... just that i enjoy it, for whatever reason.
thats all. accounting dont enter into it.
and yeah, all told, there was probably a better 'good'-movie-to-whogivesfuck-movie ratio back then. although, some of the flicks you listed, i would say, are quite skippable.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
12:16 am
July 27, 2012
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Cheshyr said
This here's for those that feel that NUMBERS are valid representation of FACTS.
Here are the Box Office Results (so far) for Ghostbusters (2016)
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/w.....end/chart/
The movie OPENED AT THIRD its first week. Then it fell to FIFTH PLACE its SECOND WEEK. This week (its third week if yer following) it FELL TO SEVENTH.
IT STILL HAS YET TO EVEN MAKE ITS BUDGET BACK!!!!!!!! AND THAT INCLUDES CURRENT GLOBAL TICKET RECEIPTS. (of course it doesn't help that China banned the movie so there's a couple hundred more tickets not sold)
SO let's put some perspective on this shit. I mean, we're talking about the movie that was supposed to be SOOOO amazing as to "relaunch" an entire franchise and get that mainline of cash flowing instead of just the IV drip of fandom and fundage they've been getting for three decades from a movie that "apparently" needed to be completely washed out...
Here's the Box Office Results for the original Ghostbusters (1984)
http://www.the-numbers.com/mov.....box-office
Now, I totally suck at maths and can't do the whole cross-referencing for inflation and number of theaters in existence at the time but we don't really need those numbers in the face of other information, LIKE:
Ghostbusters (1984, ugh) premiered at #1 AND STAYED THERE FOR SEVEN WEEKS! It was bumped out of first the following week by the premiere of "Purple Rain". The following week IT WENT BACK TO #1 and managed to stay one of the Top 3 movies in the country for SEVENTEEN WEEKS!
Some of you might say, "Well, "Finding Dory" came out etc, etc". Heh, heh... Let's take a look at what Ghostbusters (1984, grrr) was opening up AGAINST back in the day...
http://www.the-numbers.com/mov.....box-office
We're talking about STRAIGHT UP FUCKING CLASSICS OF AMERICAN FILM!!! Gremlins, The NeverEnding Story, The Karate Kid, The Last Starfighter, The Muppets Take Manhattan, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, Bachelor Party, Conan the Destroyer, Revenge of the Nerds, Cannonball Run II, Star Trek III: The Search For Spock, Romancing The Stone, Top Secret!, Police Academy, The Natural, Breakin', Beat Street, (the original) Jungle Book, Red Dawn, Cloak and Dagger, The Adventures of Buckaroo Bonzai.( We were fucking spoiled rotten at the movies as kids, weren't we?!
"Ghostbusters" (1984, smh) fended off ALL these titles! THAT is what fuckin' makes an enduring thirty year love affair with a movie! Look at the fuckin' list and act like fuckin' "Finding Dory" would have taken down this list the same way it did the 2016 "version".
Numbers don't lie, folks. The new POS Ghostbusters is (or should definitely be considered) dead in the fucking water. Throw that shit out like a prom night dumpster baby! (Where's the "You fucked up!" chants when you need 'em?)
ps @potato-tan You may wanna reread the thread. The new movie IS a reboot. The original movie never happened. All the same, I'm glad you never got the feeling like someone had stolen your hard earned movie dollar... but when yer just givin' it away freely, one can hardly call it stealing, eh? [just messin'
Point proven and we all get to walk away with a sense of smug righteousness....and I'm through with this one!
I think all you really proved is that there was a clear bias against this movie, but we kind of already knew that. Of course it's not going to do phenomenally when people decide they hate the thing before they see it, for one reason or another.
The numbers don't necessarily make a movie good or bad. Its critical scores are average to slightly above, well outside of the piece of shit range. Again, though, just numbers. Here's some more. Budget: $144 million. Box Office: $161.3 million. Those aren't exactly in context, 'cause I'm pretty sure the budget doesn't include whatever Sony spent on ads, but they are (probably) factual data, none the less.
Basic point, why hate on it? You still have your original Ghostbuster (which apparently isn't even actually the original). You like them better, which is fine, but maybe not everyone will.
I haven't seen 80's Ghostbusters as an adult, and don't really have any attachment or opinions on them. Still have yet to and want to see this new one. I suspect I'd probably favor the modern film, though.
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12:23 am
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S@potato-tan You may wanna reread the thread. The new movie IS a reboot. The original movie never happened.
Sorry, perhaps I should have qualified my statement better. When I say it's "barely a reboot" I don't mean that it literally isn't a reboot, but rather that it deviated significantly from the source material in a way that most reboots do not.
Your standard reboot tends to involve the same characters (usually with the same basic backgrounds) from the source material, having been re-imagined. e.g. Bruce Wayne is Batman, he lives in Gotham, and his parents got shot, whether it's the Shoemaker, Nolan, or Burton films. But this movie really only took concepts and set pieces (as opposed to characters and plots) from the source material, which is why I say it is, comparatively, "barely a reboot." It did its own thing more than most.
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Neverthrive, Noah Fence2:35 am
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Neverthrive said
Basic point, why hate on it? You still have your original Ghostbuster (which apparently isn't even actually the original). You like them better, which is fine, but maybe not everyone will.
It's comments such as this that make me think that people can't see the forest for the trees sometimes...
[courtesy cut]
One day, soon, the answer to that will be "No. We don't have the original." Isn't anyone familiar with how Netflix and that kinda shit operates? Haven't most people encountered how Youtube manages copyright "infringement"? Does no one consider the slow and deliberate phasing out of physical media? Anyone else notice it's already getting more difficult to find DVD/Blu-Ray players? You put all those together and NO we will not have the originals.
Here's a likely future scenario: You want to watch a movie you own (ya know, cuz you bought it and can watch it anywhere you damn please) but your player is broken. Netflix isn't currently paying for "the rights" to "broadcast" the movie you want to see and failing getting some kind of ripped copy off the net... you can not see your movie.
Copyright and trademark laws will ensure that ALL of these movies (and tv shows) can and will at some point NOT be available to be viewed AT WILL. And/Or what you will have access to will be without certain aspects such as the soundtrack being altered or only certain "versions" will be all that is available...
Point of order: Show me the original Star Wars trilogy in widescreen... THE ORIGINAL. You can't unless you have a functioning laserdisc player and just HAPPEN to have them on LD.
"The Industry" is taking physical media away from us not so much because that is the evolution of the technology (and perhaps it has SOMEthing to do with it) but it is actually a method of controlling their copyrights. If you (or whoever) have to pay them for every time you watch, why would they give you the option to watch it as many times as you want for a single fee in the form of a retail sale? Don't have internet? You DEFINITELY can't watch shit.
Just take a look into what they've done to Public Domain laws. After a certain number of years, ALL types of media LEGALLY lapse into Public Domain; or at least they DID until the last decade when corporations have been able to warp what was once a law created to allow future generations to enjoy the country's past. The best news on that front recently was the courts FINALLY ruling that Sony does NOT own the rights to "The Birthday Song" and as a result EVERY TV SHOW AND MOVIE that had been prevented from being aired because it contained the song in it could once again be played without fear of having to pay royalties. The flood gates opened!
So yeah... "we got the originals"... for now. But the entire phrase is a huge condescension upon the value of film as ART and not just a never ending series of trend following money grabs.
But I already tried going into that fuckin' tangent a few pages back so just read the shit about the painting earlier in the thread.
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^Holy shit that rant was on point! I agree of course and it is true for the average Joe or people who want to obey the law. There are ways to source the originals if you are willing to delve deeper into the piracy culture, but there is a cost to get access to those newsgroups or private servers.
But regardless of that, you summed it up very well and while I was reading it I noticed it's a similar situation with physical money.
It's all about controlling the masses in the end even down to stupid little things like how we access our entertainment.
Bottom line, vote with your money if you don't want to see physical media become rare.
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Radam said
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Bottom line, vote with your money if you don't want to see physical media become rare.
Exactly. My vote is that physical media is on it's way out and I support that by never buying physical media anymore.
8:41 am
February 23, 2016
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...you can't* get the wide-screen theatrical release of Star Wars on modern physical media because 'wide screen' was impractical for most people's home viewing up until wide screen TVs became mostly ubiquitous, within the past decade.
By the time 'wide screen' became feasible for anyone other than cinemaphiles (i.e. the people who would have owned a LaserDisc) the creative entities behind the film(s) had determined that the special edition was closer to the film they had wanted to make, and have opted to release it instead during physical reprints.
It's also possible that they don't actually have the theatrical wide-screen anymore to begin with.
When they decided to release a remastered version of Kingdom Hearts, they basically had to literally remake a game, becausecthe 3D assets had been lost.
It's literally impossible to find the entire Doctor Who series in any format because back in the day, BBC re-recorded over the tapes. Most of what exists of the pre-Eccleston doctors was actually salvaged from peoples' home recordings of the TV broadcasts.
It's possible the wide-screen theatrical version doesn't even exists in a mastered form anymore, for one reason or another -- though I concede this is fairly unlikely.
* I'm taking your word on it not being available at all, though I also find this to be very unlikely.
Edit: A quick Google search turns up that this DVD set has the theatrical releases alongside the special editions. No word on if they're wide-screen, but I would assume so. Admittedly, the DVDs are out of print and second-hand copies are pricey...
11:46 am
June 13, 2013
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Cheshyr said
(of course it doesn't help that China banned the movie so there's a couple hundred more tickets not sold)
Here's a good question: Why did China ban it?
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12:47 pm
February 23, 2016
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Cheshyr said
(of course it doesn't help that China banned the movie so there's a couple hundred more tickets not sold)Here's a good question: Why did China ban it?
China bans most movies involving ghosts because they promote "superstitious beliefs." It's part of China's broader system of censorship.
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July 27, 2012
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Cheshyr said
So yeah... "we got the originals"... for now. But the entire phrase is a huge condescension upon the value of film as ART and not just a never ending series of trend following money grabs.
Okay, so let's say one day you don't have access to the original Ghostbusters. That ain't this films fault. But given how VCRs and VHS tapes are still available if you look hard enough, and the resurgence of older media lately, I don't think you're ever going to have to go without your movie. But regardless of all that, this new movie isn't taking your old movie away from you.
They're both just movies, and they can coexist.
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February 23, 2016
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I think Ghostbusters 2016 qualifies as art about as much as Ghostbusters 1984 did.
WE GOT A FREAKIN' FARADAY CAGE.
This movie's going to be really important to an entire generation of girls who got to see a bunch of women being funny, doing STEM-y things, and having an existence that extends beyond the men around them.
Seriously, the treatment of Dana Barrett's character in the original film was gross. Let's all laugh as Bill Murray forces his way back into the apartment of a woman he's clearly made uncomfortable, to ask for a kiss. It's totally gentlemanly of him to kiss the chest of an unconscious woman with whom he has no established relationship; he's embodied the epitome of male virtue by having the basic decency to not fuck a chick who's possessed.
The original film is a 'classic' because there's a whole generation that looks upon it with nostalgia; not because it's a flawless work of art. And you know? THAT'S FINE. Nostalgia is great. It's the reason why I own The Last Unicorn on Blu-ray. It's the reason Mario remains culturally relevant. We love things as kids, look upon them with nostalgic fondness as adults, and introduce them to our children, propagating the cycle. Sometimes the new generations take the things they've learned to love and try something new with it. Losers like me write fanfiction. Better, more capable people make art; movies and books and games.
If people want to be crotchety old bitches because someone fucked with their nostalgia, that's cool. Prometheus made me want to punch a bitch; how dare they fuck with my precious Alien mythos? But at least have the decency and the self awareness to own your nostalgia.
Every generation has its classics, and we all think our shit stinks a little less than everyone else's. In reality, though, art and entertainment are both highly subjective and consistently mediocre. All our shit stinks.
P.S. I can't take anyone seriously who can sit with a straight face and harp about how bad a movie sucks, when they haven't even seen it.
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Potato-tan said
China bans most movies involving ghosts because they promote "superstitious beliefs." It's part of China's broader system of censorship.
Christ almighty. 
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2:33 pm
February 23, 2016
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Let's lighten the mood, shall we?
You built a laser grid with no safety swtch, and Walter Peck was right -- that's some shady shit!
4:11 pm
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@neverthrive @potato-tan
Yer both kinda going in different directions with my points (which I think were pretty succinct) and I've been done with this kinda debate in written form but just to "clarify"...
I wasn't referencing the Box Office results to show its money making aspects but its popularity. Obviously a movie that managed to stick around for SEVENTEEN WEEKS before it fell out of THIRD PLACE is a movie that will endure and become important to people. A movie that we were all told to fuck off about with a "wait and see we're gonna be right and all you fans are wrong" attitude that FAILED to do so, is NOT going to continue on and does not deserve to (but they will anyway cuz if you got the money to spend on it, you can make anything you want ie willful ignorance). IOW, if the 2016 movie HAD been the first... THERE WOULD BE NO FRANCHISE TO STEAL FROM LATER. This movie would and will NEVER do what Bill Murray, Dan Akroyd, Harold Ramis, Ernie Hudson and Ivan Reitman made. Struggle all you want against it but it's a fact that this movie will only ever be remembered for its controversies and NOT the generations it thought it was inspiring. Which apparently it didn't cuz the world at large REJECTED it (as represented by the numbers).
An' I'm not getting back into the "art vs. commerce" discussion again. I would expect that anyone that fancies themselves an artist might have a more heartfelt response to the idea that a work or creation should now be regarded as a mutable/alterable/TEMPORARY thing that only has a certain lifetime of respectability before it must fall victim to the whims of later generations that take its existence and impact for granted. At what point does one begin to recognize PLAGIARISM? The only time I can think that anyone cried foul on that tip was when they made a shot-for-shot remake of "Psycho"... but does it have to be shot-for-shot before taking someone else's creativity, COPYING IT and then rebranding it as their own before people just get accused of STEALING that creativity? We're not talking about someone getting inspired by a movie but flat out, "I like your ideas. I think I'll use a few of them when I redo that thing of yours I thought was so cool and made me want to be [fill in the blank]... ya know.... "homage".
I've already used up every metaphor, analogy, simile and parable to try to explain myself on this and fucked if I got another one I haven't already used in this thread somewhere else but if I had to try.... uh... hmm...
Example of a GOOD "reboot/remake/what have you": The Thing From Another World vs. John Carpenter's The Thing. While the core story being told is the same, there is NOTHING similar about these two movies and the newer one does nothing to defame the original because they were SO different from each other that there could be little to no comparison. And there was no one saying that the old one needed to be updated because it was in black&white and people just can't "get it" anymore. Film history IS a thing ya know? And this type a' shit only seems to happen to science fiction and fantasy movies... cuz if you began a career because of something like that yer a nerd undeserving of attention but if you loved fuckin' boring ass Citizen Kane and don't want THAT remade, yer preserving history... pfft. (incidentally the reason Citizen Kane is so respected is that every scene was shot in a different way representing all of the techniques available at the time, so it is almost like a film maker's bible). But HEY! It ain't got no CGI snow globes, so let's remake the fucker!
Examples of BAD remakes and reboots... that list is too long and pretty much have all been made within the last 10years. So either the audiences are getting MUCH stupider and intolerant of "old" or everyone has become blind to the manipulation. My eyes are wide fuckin' open.
One of the first things that was driven into us at film school is the "art and BUSINESS of film".
@potato-tan The Star Wars DVD you cited is the NEW altered versions. The original OG movies were never released on DVD in widescreen and there was never an issue with the tvs vs aspect ratio. People back then used to bitch about "them putting black bars at the top and bottom of the screen" ya know... cuz peoples is dumb. Also George Lucas has gone out of his way to encure that the originals NO LONGER EXIST as he has stated many times that "the original 35mm film was destroyed in the transfer process in order to make the newer editions". HOW a digital transfer destroys the 35mm, the world does not know but those movies supposedly (according to George) no longer exist.
Alright, kids... I'm done! I'm done, I'm done, I'm finished on this. Like I said, I paid good money to have these arguments in school a LONG ass time ago and typing out my critical thinking rather than speaking it is exasperating. 
Just keep in mind the next time a movie trailer tells you in single giant words flying at your face in 3D CGI, "Forget.... Everything.... You.... Know...." ... that's probably what's required.
I'm outty.
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We get it, Cheshyr. You've got your lips wrapped so tightly around nostalgia's dick that you can't breathe.
"All the new reboots are shitty, only the reboots from my youth were tolerable!"
Aren't you the same one who was bitching about how corporations have cockblocked the public domain? (A legit issue, for the record.) Ah, but people building upon previously established concepts is intellectual theft?
I tried really hard to be level about this, but you're just a crochety old fuck that's bitter that the whippersnappers are playing with your old toys, and -- gasp! -- having fun with it.
Keep talking about how a piece of media you haven't even seen is somehow quantifiably bad. It's not like entertainment is subjective, or anything.
Potato-tan out, motherfuckers!
5:28 pm
October 30, 2013
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Wow!!!!
I think you forgot to say, "What're you callin' me STUPID?!".
Holy shit! Why not just tell me to
"Go paint your face faggot, you're a grown ass man that paints his face. Pitiful"
You've clearly painted me into an indefensible corner and I bow to your intellectual prowess and ability to carry on an adult conversation. [commits seppuku]
Have a nice day, homie.
WOW.
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Wow, this thread got interesting all of a sudden didn't it?
Riddle me this. Why does every other subject on here become a e-fight? I really think we are all becoming mentally fucked or something. I am losing my fucking mind for real in real life I can't even control the shit sometimes and I find it embarrassing... But you... You guys genuinely spew venom at each other for something as silly as a movie or the film industry. Jeez guys let's just have a massive orgy and get rid of all this tension.
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Cheshyr said
Wow!!!!I think you forgot to say, "What're you callin' me STUPID?!".
Holy shit! Why not just tell me to
"Go paint your face faggot, you're a grown ass man that paints his face. Pitiful"
You've clearly painted me into an indefensible corner and I bow to your intellectual prowess and ability to carry on an adult conversation. [commits seppuku]
A'ight, so for the record, I like you both. And even though I don't agree with Cheshyr's perspective on this film, I don't have beef, and I hope there's no legitimate beef, here, over some movies.
Cheshyr said this thing
Example of a GOOD "reboot/remake/what have you": The Thing From Another World vs. John Carpenter's The Thing. While the core story being told is the same, there is NOTHING similar about these two movies and the newer one does nothing to defame the original because they were SO different from each other that there could be little to no comparison.
Which reminded me of something Potato-tan had said earlier
It wasn't a remake; it was BARELY a reboot. They really did their own thing with it.
So from Potato's perspective, by Cheshyr's definition, new Goshtbusters is an acceptable "reboot/remake/what have you."
What I understand is that Potato has seen the movie and enjoyed it. I don't remember if it was specifically stated but I strongly suspect Cheshyr hasn't seen the movie because he has no desire to.
But Cheshyr also seems to want to prove some point that this movie he hasn't seen sucks.
as evidenced here
Numbers don't lie, folks. The new POS Ghostbusters is (or should definitely be considered) dead in the fucking water. Throw that shit out like a prom night dumpster baby! (Where's the "You fucked up!" chants when you need 'em?)
But I would argue that just because something doesn't have the same box office numbers or cultural impact as something else, the first something isn't worthless. There's lots of films that didn't have the same success as Ghostbusters '84 that are still good films.
Okay now, so it seems to me like Cheshyr's opinion is that the new movie is a lump of shit, and he will use numbers and film school experience to prove that. But maybe could you see how telling someone else that something they enjoyed irrefutably sucks when your perspective is bases nearly solely on numbers could be found grating by that someone? I mean, you're talking about the art of film, but you're not even considering the potential that there is art in this one.
Maybe you're not trying to be a dick, I doubt you are, but could you see how it could be construed that way?
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Cheshyr said
I wasn't referencing the Box Office results to show its money making aspects but its popularity.
i dont credit mass popularity, either. if anything, i take away points for that.
one of my all-time most favoritest flicks is the three amigos. try to find ten people who will call that bomb a classic.
or 1941. i could cite others.
potato-tan The Star Wars DVD you cited is the NEW altered versions. The original OG movies were never released on DVD in widescreen
actually, i have the 'a new hope' two-disc that includes the original. it came out... maybe ten years ago? they did the same shit for v and vi, but for some dumb reason, i thought i had all the time in the world to pick em up. oops.
anyway, it is the original. not even 'episode iv' in the crawl; which even my 83 beta copy has. as far as i can tell, the only differences are a few tiny tweaks in the audio mix. [i have the super-og original on beta, too. its a dub, but a straight copy of the first home-issue version [which had already had a major audio overhaul; that occurred while the film was only weeks old. i think.].
later, i found the fan-made reconstructions of v and vi on the interweb. and they are definitely close enough for me. the only way to go now, anyhow, but theyre decent. i recommend the old-school purists cop those.
Nyro said
Riddle me this. Why does every other subject on here become a e-fight?
because in america, most people think its an insult to be disagreed with in the first place.
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