ImLilBlasta said

Hows the card gaming going? Your son ever let you win?

you should post more lilb, nice post..i feel the exact way about WTF after about 5 listens i started to tolerate it an could see myself not skipping it sometimes that is..i think bleep is the superior track

Karacalla said

  

ha!nah man in all honesty have you met the way 99 percent of juggalettes carry an conduct themselves esp online? this chick is a breath of fresh an seems really chill

Old Mr Dangerous said
Yeah she mentioned Multiple Myselves and News at 6 O Clock so she definitely knows her catalog. Those are definitely not Chicken Huntin and Neden Game.

And what do the haters here think? 

Say that WTF is the worst track on the album. Or even the worst track in the history of Posse Clowns, Insane. Like most of you are whining about.

Do you think that they could possibly make tracks that are all just as bad for the entirety of the disc? Or worse? Like they want to release something that they know 75% of their fans will hate? Out of some kind of sick clowny joke experiment? 

Maybe they ARE Illuminati. This is an ancient Masonic test of your aural and mental endurance. 

If you can MAKE IT THROUGH THE ABHORRENT FEARLESS FRED ALBUM, and repeat it in reverse while chugging Red Pop dosed with camel’s blood, then you will begin to unlock the gates. Three cenobite-looking motherfuckers will emerge. One looks like Ouijja, one like Krunk, and one like Green Willy. They have so many games for you to play….

But really, okay…. I dislike the track “Rainbows and Stuff” from one of the Bizarr albums. If they released that as their main single preview teaser for the new album, I suppose I would be taken aback for like three minutes. Then I would remember that I am an independent thinking adult human being, and that these Clown Men would never release an entire album’s worth of that kind of schlocky, bad-rock-rap-sounding mishmash for a whole album. 

Because “Rainbows and Stuff” was also surrounded by such tracks as “Take Me Away”, “Behind the Paint”, “We Gives No Fuck”, “Tilt a Whirl” and “Cherry Pie”. 

Stop fucking worrying. 

If you dont like the track, how can that lead you to believe you wont like the rest?

You dont like “Date Rape”, does that mean that the rest of 40 Oz. To Freedom is going to suck?

Eat shit caviar. (10 points to whoever gets that last reference without Google).  

Yeah I’m definitely willing to accept that even though WTF is just not a good song, there’s still going to be some dope tracks on FFF. It’s like that actually with a lot of bands I enjoy, often the first single is nowhere near the best of the songs for whatever reason. Though I will say, I do like Rainbows and Stuff but it would have certainly been a weird thing to put out first. But, they didn’t, they put out Tilt A Whirl first. 

Good ol’ “Date Rape”, I love that song. I know some people, including members of Sublime, never really liked it for whatever reason, but I sure do. The band Fishbone does a pretty sweet cover it which I saw live a few years back, good times. 

JeckelJordan23 said
Does anyone know who actually produced this song?  It sounds allot like a MEC beat, but it also sounds kindof thrown together and rushed without proper mastering which seems odd for MEC. 

I hope it is MEC, and he swooped in last minute to throw something together for the first single and now he’s gonna really hunker down and produce the album correctly.

Any inside info on this would be much appreciated!  

Not picking on you personally, ive seen this be a worry by many. What makes the difference of the producer? If you dig it, you dig it. Will you like the music more knowing that MEC produced it? Will it put your mind at ease and help you sleep better at night? Thats silly.

Once we find out a lot of the opinions are gonna change or those on the fence will finally fall one way or the other. Watch em squirm…

I can kind of accept that as an answer. I kind of feel the music has evolved along with ICP. Riddlebox was very basic, Milenko a little better, and its ever improving. I agree with @demonicswagger from another thread that the clowny noises could be more and throughout. But a lot of that is based on the song list. Cant have clowny noises with likes of Hells Pit.

JeckelJordan23 said
Personally, I just haven’t heard anyone produce ICP that compares to MEC. I’m not as big of a fan of the Hells Pit era as many on here are (I liked it but many of the beats were too basic) and I definitely wasn’t feeling MML lost or found.  I pretty much see MEC as the honorary third member of ICP and it’s just not the same without him.  

I agree with you for the most part, however I will say that Kuma has become a stand out in my opinion. He has made some beats that are just as good as some of the classic MEC beats in my opinion.

If MEC was not available I would have a lot of faith in Kuma in producing a complete Jokers Card.

Karacalla said

Hells pit and it’s counter part were complete trash in terms of an overall album experience. Sure you had a couple track’s that are decent, but as far as an front to back listening experience, garbage. The sequencing, Mixing, Mastering ect, where sub-par and no where near the standards set by albums that came before and after it.

Im not looking for an argument here as I fully respect anyone’s opinion on music but I honestly think that anyone who knows anything about music production would agree that Shangri-La is one of the most well produced, intricate and technically sound projects ever put out. Love or hate the songs, lyrics and style, you cannot say that it was poorly produced. The levels are perfect and there is so much going on (without impacting the feel of the album) that I still hear new things when I listen to it now. The way they merge the differing styles of music from song to song is impeccable (See the transition from Homies to Aint Yo Bidness or Walk into the Light to Welcome to the Show (even though the styles weren’t as polarizing)). 

As much as I like Hells Pit (Its probably the last release I liked from start to finish) I agree that it was a step down from previous efforts and I think that, even the projects they have put out since then, with MEC have been sub par in comparison to anything before. I still listen though. I still support them.

I often think how Riddlebox is my favourite ICP album and how shitty it must sound to an 14 yr old kid who just got into ICP after hearing MML: Found. Times change and Im sure ICP have just moved onto a different demographic. If they just kept making The Great Milenko every 3 years, we’d all bitch about that too.

Ive listened to this WTF track like 10 times now and im not a lover. I havent been excited about a new ICP album for a long time now and this is no exception. 

i love hells pit for being grimey an i remember J saying that they made it that way on purpose an damn it worked ,nt to sond like a emo fuck but a certain track on there i have to skip an my close friends knew to skip it bumping it in a car cuz it hit to close to home..the album made me a better person well  helped influence me as shaggy pointed out at a  instore he said we didnt do that shit man you did! guess he was right, but you bring up some good points about MEC being the magic that holds them together an you’re right i remember the toy box video were there making it at the funhouse an mec keeps telling j something was whack an j tried to refuse to change it. i have no idea why this is in a quote box

Do we even know why MEC and ICP parted ways and now have an on again off again relationship? My understanding is that it’s not just ICP saying “hey fuck you, you’re out” and that MEC likely wanted to go off and do other things as well. Not sure though, would be interested to know how his involvement (and Legs Diamond) is viewed. 

I’ve said before too that it’s cool if ICP uses a few trusted producers for their shit, which seems to be the case for FFF. So if we get some output from MEC, Mike P, and Seven, that should be pretty sweet. Probably will have some Str8 Jacket too, though I’m not familiar with what he actually does so I’ll reserve judgement. Basically, I’m just glad Young Wicked is out, never cared for 98% of his output with ICP.