Old Mr Dangerous said
Together with Opaque Brotherhood, those are two of the best examples of Psychopathic Records music. Tales From the Lotus Pod is classic, as is much of Black Rain, too… but I feel like they represent the overall vibe better on those last two albums.

Black Rain is really solid.  It might actually be my favorite Lotus record. The only one I really skip is “That’s Me.”  The record does have alcoholic Shaggy as you mentioned, but it also has Blaze at his best and ABK sounding like they didn’t splice him in there in garage band.  And Twiztid was good in it as usual.  The album has a good balance of different types of songs.  It’s got comedy, domestic violence, murder, necrophilia, wicked shit, and “The Walls” which is my favorite Lotus song.

Bonesaw Wizardstick said

Old Mr Dangerous said
Together with Opaque Brotherhood, those are two of the best examples of Psychopathic Records music. Tales From the Lotus Pod is classic, as is much of Black Rain, too… but I feel like they represent the overall vibe better on those last two albums.

Black Rain is really solid.  It might actually be my favorite Lotus record. The only one I really skip is “That’s Me.”  The record does have alcoholic Shaggy as you mentioned, but it also has Blaze at his best and ABK sounding like they didn’t splice him in there in garage band.  And Twiztid was good in it as usual.  The album has a good balance of different types of songs.  It’s got comedy, domestic violence, murder, necrophilia, wicked shit, and “The Walls” which is my favorite Lotus song.  

shaggy on the sauce produces some gold though, to this day ‘its the pod lil bitch an were back like  a message bird’ is my legit favorite lyric of all time an was clever as hell.ive heard this track well over 1000 times an that shit makes me smile every time

‘ o

OG LOTUS WITH MARZ

THE BEST

& REALEST

Pigg said

Didn’t Mike P get sued by Midnight Syndicate for just straight jacking shit from them on Hell’s Pit?  

That was actually Fritz The Cat who got sued for the copy/paste-esque sampling of Midnight Syndicate on the Hell’s Pit intro, not Mike P.

I thought Mike P’s production on Hell’s Pit was near impeccable, personally. However, having RZA on production in his prime would’ve been absolutely devastating, fully enhancing the raw/ominous vibe of the album with his masterful boom bap minimalism. 

Another equal caliber masterful minimalist boom bap producer in the same raw/ominous vein, is DJ Krush. He’d compliment ICP/Lotus perfectly, imo.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cM8xQBpEQgs

Pigg said
I think black rain is the strongest lotus album for J.

 

I also have a special affinity for Black Rain because it dropped when I was just getting into Psychopathic.  

Agreed about J. If I’m not mistaken, that was around his weed-smoking creativity burst out phase. I loved it. Wizard of the Hood, great guest spots on ABK and Esham joints… overall he was, as he put it, SHININ. 

On “That’s Me”… “Jump Off”… “Kaboom”… yeah he was rocking it. Shaggy was at his worst IMO. 

Trust me, I’m a Shaggy fan. His solo albums are all on Psychopathics top 20 ever. Maybe top 10 for FTFO. But he was raunchy wack in this era.

Old Mr Dangerous said

Agreed about J. If I’m not mistaken, that was around his weed-smoking creativity burst out phase. I loved it. Wizard of the Hood, great guest spots on ABK and Esham joints… overall he was, as he put it, SHININ. 

On “That’s Me”… “Jump Off”… “Kaboom”… yeah he was rocking it. Shaggy was at his worst IMO. 

Trust me, I’m a Shaggy fan. His solo albums are all on Psychopathics top 20 ever. Maybe top 10 for FTFO. But he was raunchy wack in this era.  

I think ABK was worse than Shaggy on Black Rain. That was Shaggy’s weakest period and I don’t actually dislike any of that album but I think ABK had the worst verses. Lots of forced rhymes from him. The “Level/Shovel” rhyme on My 1st Time always makes me cringe. 

Still a solid album though and a peak for the label as a whole.

Noawareness said

I think ABK was worse than Shaggy on Black Rain. That was Shaggy’s weakest period and I don’t actually dislike any of that album but I think ABK had the worst verses. Lots of forced rhymes from him. The “Level/Shovel” rhyme on My 1st Time always makes me cringe. 

Still a solid album though and a peak for the label as a whole.  

That’s funny you mention the “level/shovel” rhyme. J actually does something similar on “Flamethrower” where he rhymes rebel with shovel basically by pronouncing shovel as “shevel”. That’s always bothered me, otherwise I really like that song. I never understand why rappers just make up rhymes when they can just pick other words or write a different line. 

In general, I kind of hate ABK. I tried to get on board with him when he was new to the label but ultimately couldn’t do it. I just mentioned how much I love “The Walls” but I’ve always wished it didn’t start off with ABK going “I CAN’T THEEE YOUUU!!!” due to his speech impediment. Weird choice. 

Noawareness said

Chevy2Dope said
I love “The Walls” but I’ve always wished it didn’t start off with ABK going “I CAN’T THEEE YOUUU!!!” 

Like Mike Tyson playing Hide-and-Seek  

hahah, nice. Perfect description. 

Karacalla said

Either Kuma or most likely Str8jacket. We damn sure know it isn’t the god, MEC.

MEC was supposedly working on FFF with the gang and nem’, hence the push back to accommodate his schedule, but seeing as he’s performing PDM at twizzler shows now, expect anything he crafted for the album to be deleted or remixed like YW’s shit on FTFOMF.

I swear, J should call his next book, ‘How to shoot your self in the foot constantly’.

I had high hopes for FFF too man, Damn.  

I can’t disagree with that