scruffy said:

at the moment, i feel like the biggest thing holding them back is the multitude of armchair music industry analysts amongst the fanbase [see above]. 

That's true. Lots of Juggalos just love tearing whatever Psy does to shreds and analysing it to a frankly ridiculous extent.

Psy just can't do any right in so many 'juggalo' eyes when it is, in reality, a pretty dedicated record label.

scruffy said:

re promotion:  for the most part, none of the preceding examples worked all that hard at promoting themselves, either.  we all knew about all those albums, but we still didnt buy them, did we? 

They're not supposed to be doing all the promotion themselves...thats why they were signed or else they would've been better off doing shit by themselves.

for example, when it comes to Dayton Family, how come they never were given the chance to tour on any of Twiztid's tours? or have their own tour? if u look at the touring timeline, the ONLY tour that they did was the Bang! Pow! Boom! tour back in 2009- and they werent even signed yet.

then after TDF signed with PSY, they did a couple of those Hallowicked shows that preceeded the Old Shit tour(werent on the Old Shit Tour). 

Ypsi Foolish said:

scruffy said:

re promotion:  for the most part, none of the preceding examples worked all that hard at promoting themselves, either.  we all knew about all those albums, but we still didnt buy them, did we? 

 

They're not supposed to be doing all the promotion themselves...thats why they were signed or else they would've been better off doing shit by themselves.

 

for example, when it comes to Dayton Family, how come they never were given the chance to tour on any of Twiztid's tours? or have their own tour? if u look at the touring timeline, the ONLY tour that they did was the Bang! Pow! Boom! tour back in 2009- and they werent even signed yet.

 

then after TDF signed with PSY, they did a couple of those Hallowicked shows that preceeded the Old Shit tour(werent on the Old Shit Tour). 

I remember seeing them in the back at the end of the show signing CDs, I didn't know who they were so I walked up to them and said, "Whatchya guys doin'?" Thew were like, "Signin' CDs, wanna buy one?" and I was like, "I would if I weren't so broke". Then I walked off. Ahh, good times, good times.

Ypsi Foolish said:

signing artists and not promoting them is one of their downfalls. Take Datyon Family for example, how u gonna fuck up one of the most ruthless rap groups to come outta michigan EVER!?

 

then another example is Motown Rage-  who got little to NO promo. did one stinking hallowicked tour with ICP and then when the album drops they dont promote shit and drop 'em. basically they dont know how to maintain and promote up and coming artists. they just figure "Well Twiztid, Blaze and ABK are all established, so lets not focus on anyone else. let's give the false hope in thinking they actually have a future with our company!" so what's gonna happen when Twiztid and Blaze decided to retire later in life, THEN how is joe bruce gonna make money? PSy puts all their eggs in the same basket and think thats all they need to do. PSY needs fresh meat. Dayton Family and Motown Rage were PERFECT for the Hatchet- and they fucked it up.

 

And you can say what u want about Esham, but they FUCKED UP ROYALLY with the godfather. Repentence should've been the next big hip hop record out of the D- but joe bruce's jealousy squashed any and all incentive for the record. i dont blame Esham for leaving,,,even though i dont think he made good business decisions past Sacrifical Lambz.

 

so the bottom line is, their biggest downfall is that they are comfortable with not having to promote their artists since Twiztid, Blaze, and ABK are all already established and dont need that extra push- they are too lazy to put any extra effort for anybody else they sign, so when the album drops and they dont push it, they do damage control by referring to it as a "flop".

 

….and i dont think that Cold 187um is gonna last as long as violent j predicts he will.

Motown Rage plays a style no one gives a fuck about anymore that's why they didn't sell shit dude……. same for Zug Island. The market for Alternative Rock/Metal or Nu Metal is dead, even bands like Korn are stooping to the level of dubstep albums to sell records..... don't get me wrong I thought they were alright, never thought I'd see a band that jammed with Dimebag on Psychopathic.

I think the biggest thing wrong along with AA leaving might be the fact that they sign artists that just don't catch people's attention (or at least my attention).

Motown Rage, heard one song and didn't really care for it. Promotion for them sucked. I knew they released a CD on hatchet house, just don't know it's name.

Cold 187um, heard his samples from the new CD, didn't really like it, though if they were to put him on some good old school 90's sounding gangster rap beat I think he'd sound waaaayyyyy better. Promotion for this album was only a little shy of the small promotion for Abominationz.

Vanilla Ice, never really could get into him and nobody even knows if he's signed or not or what he's doing, that's how well his promotion is.

Dayton Family, I heard one song from them, Cocaine, and it didn't catch my attention either. Promotion was just as good as Cold's.

R.O.C., listening to his whole solo discography, it's kind of disappointing, the only time I think he's been at all good was on some early house of Krazees, like Homebound shit. Oh, he also does great verses when featured on a song. The Welcome to The Dark Side album was pretty good, but the rest kind of sucked. I personally think it's his production. Listen to Mostetasteless then listen to any H.O.K. album and tell me if any H.O.K. comes close to being as good as Twiztid. Never heard any of his other rap groups like I think one is Half Breed and the other is Level Jumpers. Either way, being as how this was promoted as well as being a good album along with him being a legend (by association IMO) I don't know why it flopped, if it did.

Chop Shop, I've heard a few songs by them, they have potential if they wouldn't rap about ridiculous concepts, then again somebody out there probably loves some of those songs. You ever hear that Chronic Robot song though? Fucking wack IMO. Either way, their album wasn't promoted worth shit, I remember hearing of them getting signed a few years ago then searching their name a year later on youtube but finding nothing on them.

The artists that did catch my attention happen to be AMB and Boondox. AMB basically because of their verses and features were dope and Boondox was pretty dope and promoted like fuck. If you notice, these two artists seem to have done better than the previous artists I listed. I could be wrong, but they seem to sell more copies and stay in people's minds.

Like, for me Boondox will always be one of the Psychopathic all-stars along with Blaze, ABK, Twiztid, and ICP.

Chainz said:

Miracles by far. Oh so they're bigger now? A bigger joke.

 

I remember when it used to be you'd walk into a store and people would ask "what is that medallion around your neck? I see it from time to time on cars or around people's necks" Now it's "lOL R u A MAgNET?" Fucking stupid man…..  I got enough of "you know they think you really go to some clown heaven" after Shangri La and Miracles is just proving their point. How could you not blame someone for thinking that song is retarded. And fuck J for playing it live too.

Why so insecure? 

There isn't an album that doesn't have something to do with ICP or Twiztid on psychopathic that can even compare to what Halfbreed brought to the horrorcore table.