Psyral Infection said

@old-mr-dangerous , Well guess what? It’s not set in stone yet, but I may be heading to Colorado next year during the summer.  

Yesssss!!! We will all smoke away our societal/political disagreements hahaha… My Bud & Breakfast may be open by then. 

SNEAK PEAK!!! 

I know you’re a rare toker, but I’ll hook you up with the best stuff you’ll seek.

I’ve heard omd’s weed is of maximum dankage. Or something. 

Old Mr Dangerous said

at least you guys saved some cash for The Green Stop.

Still the highlight of my summer, meeting ya’ll.  

Still fucken dope. I enjoy telling people the story.

Never told you about how we ended up across the street at that liquor store talking to that nice older lady and her dogs for like 30 minutes! Shes dope!

bayAreaShaman said

Still fucken dope. I enjoy telling people the story.

Never told you about how we ended up across the street at that liquor store talking to that nice older lady and her dogs for like 30 minutes! Shes dope!  

Yeeeaahhh!! That’s my mom’s landlord, actually…. this shit is trippy. She loved you all. Was talking about ya’ll the next day to me. They call her “The Mayor”. She basically runs this area lol… cool shit

Slumerican502 said
Jesus you are thick skilled Mr tidwell. I didn’t defend those statistics. Its not about the statistics as much as yak being called a racist for posting them.I only said they aren’t far off and they aren’t. Once again. I said posting those wrong statistics made you a jack ass not a racist.

These are from the FBI for the year 2011. How, if whites kill more whites than blacks do, are the made up statistics ANYWHERE near accurate? They aren’t. They were made up.  The fact that they were made up to make black people look more violent, is inherently racist. Why make up stats that say that black people kill more white people than white people do, if not to promote racism?

Its just like when someone posted a picture of a white guy in blackface dressed like a movie pimp. You said it was racist. Screaming racist at everything that’s insensitive isn’t the way to go about things. Well have to agree to disagree on that one.

If I remember correctly, -I- posted the picture you’re talking about and pointed out that the picture was racist when I posted it. Saying that something posted is racist, isn’t saying that the person posting it is racist. Not always. When a person posts the same, slanderous, dishonest, made up stats that were created to make an ethnic group look MORE responsible for crimes than they are… is racist. Recognizing the systemic nature of racism is how you make the changes that you say you agree need to be made.

Fucking Boko Haram started off as a peaceful movement until their leader got slaughtered.

Nope. Boko Haram was created specifically to combat the expansion of western based education. It was an extremist group that was against girls being educated outside of Islam. The creator of the group was nicknamed The One Who Damns because of his violent rhetoric against the west. He declared that reading anything other than the Koran was a sin. He was never peaceful.

You guys see it as systematic racism and I see it as oppression towards poor people. If the entire system is racist we wouldn’t have minorities in positions of power. This includes the three branches and at the state level too. We wouldn’t have minorities as cops and minorities couldn’t vote. Saying our system is the same as it was 200 years ago is wrong. In fact policing is designed to protect minorities as much as it is white people. When cops are patrolling inner cities crime rate goes down. What happens when they start to pull back out of these neighborhoods now that this movement is putting police on the chopping block? 

Can someone post ACTUAL evidence that this system is racist besides saying it targets minorities? I couldn’t find any real evidence.
 

Whites significantly make up more of our House and Senate. If there wasn’t systemic racism, wouldn’t the numbers match? Wouldn’t it only be a reflection of wealth?

No one is saying things haven’t changed, but systemic oppression is, you know, systemic. History is a major part of it.

When slavery was outlawed in the US, it was outlawed except in the cases of imprisonment. Which lead to the creation of Hog Laws. These laws were laws that the police would make up and pass with no judicial oversight, just to arrest people and sentence them quickly. Some of these laws included things like walking on the wrong side of the street or eating a picnic outside of a church. Things that are still technically illegal in some states but which were specifically created to target black people. 

Well into the 1920s, black men would be stopped, arrested, and found guilty of laws made up specifically to target black people, and would then be sentenced to slavery. They would work in fields until they died. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Codes_(United_States)

They were based on these laws passed immediately after the civil war, but they were sorta semi off the books.

These laws kept black families poor, especially when you consider the laws that said black people can only purchase property in certain areas and then the rents in those areas were sky high. A black family would have to live in slum like apartments, not just because they were poorer than whites but because they weren’t legally allowed to live anywhere else. Racist whites passed on made up statistics about how blacks are out to rape and murder all the whites and they said “we can’t have them living in my neighborhood” and they passed these laws which lead to current economic disadvantages that come with being black.

Economic class certainly plays a huge part. As I’ve said multiple times, if we look at it like an intersectional activist would, we can see where class oppression and race oppression are used in conjunction.

The fact that blacks are DISPROPORTIONATELY incarcerated -is- proof that the system is racist. 

This graphic comes from http://www.sentencingproject.o…..ice-facts/ but the numbers come from http://www.bjs.gov/

“Well Rob, that doesn’t really prove anything, just because black and latino populations are numerically smaller than whites but make up more of the prison population could be caused by anything.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

Judges found guilty of getting kick backs from for profit prisons for sentencing kids to harsher than appropriate sentences. The kids? Yeah they were mostly ethnic minorities.

http://ann.sagepub.com/content…../119.short

Black americans are more likely to face the death penalty.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/24/researchers-have-discovered-a-surprising-racial-bias-in-the-criminal-justice-system/ <===judiciary is predominantly white men.

https://thinkprogress.org/study-black-defendants-are-at-least-30-more-likely-to-be-imprisoned-than-white-defendants-for-the-29d567b44377#.qatnowf19 <—– despite making up less of the population, black defendants are MORE likely to be imprisoned for the same crime when compared to white defendants. The same crime, harsher sentence. Because of race.

Still not convinced? What about the fact that people tend to over estimate the size, age, and strength of black people? As an example, 12 year old Tamir rice.

After police shot and killed this kid, can you guess what age they estimated? Can you guess what weight they estimated?

They said 21. They said something like 200lbs. I forget the exact weight given. It may have been more. It wasn’t until later that the correct size, weight, and age were given.

Really?

But it’s not just THEM. It’s the entire system, right.

And it’s not even just the system, it’s ingrained in our entire culture. 

http://www.vox.com/2016/8/14/1…..s-biracial

This study shows that black people become more attractive when they are described as mixed race.

http://www.techtimes.com/artic…..oblems.htm

black and hispanic students less likely to receive help for mental health problems.

There was a study I read a while back, I’m having trouble googling it but it said that students with stereotypically black or other ethnic sounding names, such as Laquisha Johnson, would be ignored by professors through emails while -identical emails- with more anglo based names were more successful. So, where the only difference is a name that sounds more black or latinx, professors would simply delete it. But that’s not systemic racism? Oh, I found this. I skimmed it. I think it’s the same one I read, it certainly seems like it is: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05……html?_r=0

Another example of prejudiced school systems

http://www.thewire.com/culture…..ol/361047/

Or this?

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=61

In fall 2013, of all full-time faculty in degree-granting postsecondary institutions, 79 percent were White (43 percent were White males and 35 percent were White females), 6 percent were Black, 5 percent were Hispanic, and 10 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander. Making up less than 1 percent each were full-time faculty who were American Indian/Alaska Native and of Two or more races. Among full-time professors, 84 percent were White (58 percent were White males and 26 percent were White females), 4 percent were Black, 3 percent were Hispanic, and 9 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander. Making up less than 1 percent each were professors who were American Indian/Alaska Native and of Two or more races.

Let’s take this back to the law. Remember the law used as a defense for the killing of Trayvon Martin? It was called the Stand Your Ground law.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/27/…..ur-ground/

The woman in this case used the stand your ground defense, and was denied. Eventually she pleaded guilty to a lesser charge.

Who did she kill? nobody. She fired a gun at a wall. In an act of self defense (which the law was supposedly created for), she shot at a wall. And was sentenced to 20 years (which was later reduced).

Guy who killed Trayvon? Yeah, he was told by the 911 dispatcher not to engage with the person he suspected. Allegedly, a fight broke out and he “defended himself” with the gun he testified he had ready. 

George Zimmerman, like myself, is a white latino. That means we’re latinx but we still have a lot of white privilege because we are often read as white (especially in the case of myself or zimmerman because we have mixed ancestry). 

Both in Florida. Both after Stand your ground law was ratified. Both claimed self defense. One read as white, one not. One male, one not. One killed a child, the other may have put children in harms way despite no children being harmed (disputed). 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..83310.html

More discussion on how policing black communities disproportionately leads to more black arrests and artificially drives up their representation in prison. 

I’m on a tablet and it would take forever to go through and refute all this piece by piece. I’m riding out to my moms tomorrow so ill do it then when I have access to a laptop. Or maybe I won’t because its all going to come to nothing anyways now that I think about it. We can do this for eternity and it will go nowhere. Plus I have a feeling you wouldn’t spend all the time I just did on your sources going to the sources that I’ve found over the past year.

Do the percentages on that first graph. They aren’t that far off the mark. 

The second picture you posted proves they commit a disproportionate amount of crimes not that they get targeted more. Unless all these cops are making people murder other people or planting  crack on them. Making them rob stores. You are giving the benefit of the  doubt to the criminals on this one and more information is needed.

The judges source just proves there are some greedy judges. No surprise there. How many judges are there compared to how many are corrupt? This proves nothing.

You posting a picture of a little kid reminds me of the Zachary Hammond case. Again this just proved there was one case of exaggerated identity. It doesn’t prove this is system wide. These things happen.

That’s my real problem with most of these sources. All of the information isn’t here and it doesn’t paint the full picture

I did just do that racial test. “Your data suggests no automatic preference between black or white people”. I don’t know that this is some kind of litmus for how sensitive you are because much of this is about coordination as much as it was speed. Pretty interesting though. I might do a few more real quick.

 By the way, just so you know I don’t have any hate for you. Just throwing that out there

And slum, man, look if you don’t wanna be bothered with all those links do me this one favor. Psyral already did it.

Tell me why someone would:

• Research the right numbers of murders
• then exaggerate the stats on who kills who
• then switch the whites killed by whites and whites killed by black
• then cite a fake research center rather than the right numbers that they used in the first place
• then make up stats on kills by police
• then makes sure they add up to 100% even though it ignores “other races” and “unknown”.
• Then puts it all into a graphic to be shared online in a time when people are talking about racial disparities with regard to police violence

Why would they do all that, if not racially motivated?

Psyral says people made it and tweeted it to donald trump to make him look racist, so even he agrees the image can be read as racist. He just figures it came from someone trying to trap donald, if I understand correctly. 

I’m going to bed. 

Dont fucking tell me I don’t like learning when I sat there and went through every god damn link in that post and watched every video posted in this thread. I could say the same about you that any link I post would be written off. That’s why I’m done after this.

So in your world, only white people are getting away with their crimes? That statement means absolutely jack shit. You dont want to acknowledge that there is a huge crime problem in the black community. And ill say once again it isn’t because they are black that they are committing crimes. Poor people tend to do more crime.

I was wrong about those stats being close off. Kind of. I should have taken a closer look at what yak posted. So they were switched. I didn’t see that when I glanced over it. It still does not change the facts.

The dude that made the chart is probably a racist. It doesn’t make yak a racist for posting it, which is all I was saying in the first place. It just makes him misinformed. Cry racist all day.

Did you see a picture of the Hammond “man”? He was a fucking kid. A scrawny kid. Unarmed and gunned down. I made the comparison because they both looked harmless and police misjudged the situation.

It fucking happens. There was a little kid a few years back that got gunned down for carrying a fake gun with the orange tip. A little white kid. Police get scared too and make bad decisions.

Are people in the system racist? Yes. Probably a bunch. Is the system itself? No its not. You just wait until the generation after ours comes into power and see how things change. Its how the people in power use the system. Its not inherently evil. Its not inherently racist. Its organic and we change it as a society to fit societies needs and demands.

Its the reason they finally legalized gay marriage. Its the reason pot is finally getting the recognition it deserves. Its the reason for the civil rights act

You can blame this system all fucking day but when it comes down to it, it is our society. Its not some vast network conspiracy to hold down black people. Its 2016. We have a black president. Gtfo of here with that shit.

Its some people in the system using their power in ways they shouldn’t.

The system is set up to police poor people. Rich people can afford to buy away their problems.Its why Jordan belfort only went away for a few years. Poor people get stuck in the cycle of the system. A good chunk of the poor are blacks living in inner cities. But there are latinos and whites living in these poor areas too and they get targeted too. This is what you refuse to grasp. Blacks arent automatically  targeted because of the color of their skin unless the cop is racist. Its because they are poor and poor people commit crimes.

This part will never change no matter what. there will always be poor people. This isn’t an American thing.  This is everywhere.

What we can change is society and there are different ways to do that. I do my part by raising my children to respect everyone as equals. It doesn’t matter what or who you are. I also show respect to anyone i come across in life and make eye contact when I speak to them.

There are no laws that say give minorities higher sentences. Because of these people in power some areas may be more oppressive than others but to say our entire country is across the board racist is just retarded. Argue all you want but im seriously done. There is literally nothing else to be said. We all can go on believing what we believe.

Slumerican502 said

Go look at the statistics. I’m not going to post them for you. You also have to look at multiple websites because google knows you are a bleeding heart liberal and shows results based on that.

Just so you know, you dismissed information first.