https://youtu.be/MXHvHzg6NMg

I had a big old long response, but I lost it cuz of a weird error where I was logged out while typing it.

I’m gonna sum it up with this, something that you don’t seem to want to understand but I’ll try and say it in plain english. Then you can deny it. Whatever.

You say that the system isn’t racist, just that some people in the system are racist.

You’re wrong, because the system is the people in the system. You’re right that there are not currently laws on the books that force racist behavior, but there HAS been in the past, and the behaviors persist. You can deny all the statistical facts you’d like. Fight those big bad, scary sjw types who want us to account for our behaviors. Like Yakks racist stats which you can finally admit were created with racist intent after 11 fucking pages of denial. The behaviors of the racist people in the system are the systemic part of systemic oppression. Just like the systemic issue of classism isn’t laws that forbid poor people from making money, but behaviors that are applied by the wealth class against the poor class, and the propaganda they use in the media. It’s the same as racism.

It’s statistical trends that need to be addressed, along with the direct behaviors. 

Mr. (Ms.? Z?) Fence, in your previous incarnation you stated that math is bullshit.

“…You ain’t even gotta sign up for the bullshit ass math and history shit…”

And murder.

“…math is murder…”

I have formally aced statistics and math beyond Calculus, and along with most math teachers would like to inform you and yours that to understand statistics you must know math. What your weakass SJW cult tends to spout as statistics seems more like  subjective, non-peer-reviewed fantasies. That is all. No, wait…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUnAJ8R-R4I

YouTube Video Ana’s Fucking Better Than You   

I’m not debating you, (Whateverthafuk pronoun) Fence. I’m bluntly stating that you are ill-informed when it comes to objective studies such as science and math. Not drinking your cult’s pseudoracist-tears-flavored Kool-Aid. And Miklo, enjoy the Cuckstep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwywPGAZ43Q

YouTube Video AIDS Skrillex ft. Safe Space Sally – White Male Privilege 

https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-freely/milwaukee-police-forcibly-arrested-two-men-last-night-doing-nothing-wrong-they-got

Last night, police in Milwuakee broke the law, again and as per usual, and arrested someone with excessive force only this time LOL it turned out to be an ACLU organizer and a state representative.

Their crime? standing on a sidewalk. 

For anybody willing, here is something to put things in perspective, coming from two outspoken black women. I’m on my phone so if the link doesn’t show up just search stefan molyneux all lives matter diamond and silk.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7fb_hXTjbO0

Slumerican502 said

^^^ see, you can cherry pick stories all god damn day. How many interactions are there with the police across America every day? I don’t know but I’m willing to bet cases like this are a small fraction. You don’t see stories about police interactions that go right because there is no story there. Truth is you have no proof. You have sporadic stories spread across America that don’t tell the full story.

Oh, I know. I never said that all police is bad. In fact, I said the opposite. Maybe you ignored that.

For the 20th fucking time, I didn’t once defend those  fake statistics that you are still going on about. I defended yak, because he was called a racist for posting them. I already admitted to being wrong about them being close (how many times do you see someone on this forum write I am wrong btw) How many  times do I have to spell it out?

This doesn’t apply to me.

 

The difference between you and I is that I’m on both sides here. I don’t support blm but I support black people. I also support the police but not police brutality. You are clearly on the anti police side whether you admit it or not. Once again it’s why you took issue with me saying groups of brothers are acting like savages but took no issue with me saying the police are. You posted the cop killer track.

Where I’m lost is where you said you can separate the good from the bad but still want to blame BLM for all the bad.

You and lucem can pretend all day that this shit isn’t making things worse but it is. I’ve said multiple times in this thread that both sides need to be held accountable. I’ve already said what can be done to alleviate the situation. To build trust back between the people and the police. 

The angry aggression and cop killing? Yeah of course that makes things worse. Never said it doesn’t. I just didn’t blame BLM for it. I also said that it’s something that is going to happen regardless of BLM. I also mentioned how that cop killing happened during a peaceful protest where the cops were taking friendly pictures with and protecting BLM. Yet it’s still all BLM’s fault. How?

I tell you one thing though, gunning down cops at gas stations and protests, or marching with a blm sign saying pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon certainly ain’t going to get anything done, except to put everyone further on edge.

Everybody is already on edge. Look how on edge people get on here over stupid shit. This is to be expected. And I bet it gets much much worse before it gets better. Why? Because when something good happens like cops coming together with BLM some asshole shoots a few cops and people like you blame BLM for it.

This is also, what I call, the artistic influence paradox. If artists are supposed to be responsible for influencing us and all the senseless violence that happens is because of artistic influence then who is responsible for influencing the artists? If I can blame art for my violent tendencies then who do we blame for the artist’s violent tendencies? If I can blame all the angry black people on BLM then who do we blame for BLM? And so on and so forth. See how it makes no sense? Because humans can act independently.

Keep pretending there’s a vast conspiracy without acknowledging that there is a huge crime problem.Look at chicago. Pull the police out of these neighborhoods and see what happens.

I never said there was a vast conspiracy. Everything happening here is a product of human incompetence.

This crime problem mixed with non compliance and poor police training is the reason that these things are happening. Quit laying it all on the “racist” police and the big bad white man. Or don’t. I don’t care either way.

I never blamed the big bad white man. That’s where you are putting words in my mouth again. I said that there is a system that works racially based upon both our extremely racist history and human incompetence. I placed facts that supported it. And before you just dismiss what I have to say, or put words in my mouth again, just remember that people were saying the same shit when black activists were saying that they were being injected with STDs until the truth of the Tuskegee experiment came out. Which was extremely recent, not ancient history.

Dammit, I said I was done XD

I told you they always come back. It’s like a black hole, and black holes matter.

Also, art imitates life not the other way around. The art is shaped by the artists world view. Art invokes emotions and makes you feel. It doesn’t create the emotions themselves. I guess that’s kind of a philosophical question though, because many feel that it does have an impact on your psyche.

Now that I think about it, I do want to fornicate and cause debauchery every time I look at heironymus boschs garden of earthly delights.

Slumerican502 said

• Here we go:

“It’s an extraordinarily rare event. But the fact is, (in) 2012, there were 12,197,000 arrests in the United States, OK? And there were 410 uses of deadly force. Now that is, I think, three-thousands of a percent. So, it’s still an extraordinarily rare event.”

http://www.politifact.com/wisc…..age-arres/

These match up with the fbi statistics too, although since the government is racist that probably doesn’t count.

You put words in my mouth again. Every statistic I put up was from the government because I won’t trust it if it isn’t. You also cherry picked that information ignoring this fact “FiveThirtyEight.com, a news website devoted to data analysis, recently reported that the 410 is a minimum figure. The numbers are self-reported by local police agencies and not audited, not all police agencies report those figures to the FBI and the number doesn’t include homicides that weren’t ruled justifiable.” from the same article. Further more, compare those statistics to other countries. Along with that, consider the fact that these killings probably all happen in the same area. Also consider the fact that I never said that all police are bad for the 50th time.

Lucem, 98 percent of what I wrote wasn’t directed at you. To clear it up though, I recognize that the movement started out of a good place. Of course there are sensible people not chanting anti white and anti police sentiments. once again i think overall its making problems not solving them.

I don’t. I think the riots and the violence and the anger was going to happen regardless. It’s a predictable reaction. It’s nothing new, either. They mix in so well with BLM that it’s easy to confuse it all as one giant violent storm.

At what point do you start to say that the whole group is responsible? Do they have to hold a press conference officially confirming their hatred of police? You said you watched videos of the shit. I mean, like twenty people in front were holding a blm banner while chanting anti police rhetoric. EVERYONE was chanting it. WHILE holding the banner.

The point where the whole entire group, including a lot of the voices of the movement, start supporting it. The major voices of the movement preach against the violence. A lot. Of course violent anti white angry people are going to take advantage of these protests and get involved. Just like how we need to expect some fucked up weirdos to get involved in the juggalo culture when the music as about fucked up weirdo shit. You still have yet to answer my question on how that is all BLM’s fault. Maybe they need to discourage those chants at protests? Perhaps. But think about how you would react in their shoes. It is justified anger. A good friend of mine once told me that you can’t kill hate with hate. So perhaps forgiveness and understanding is the best way to resolve anything on both sides rather than pointing fingers. That won’t happen so expect shit to get worse.

You and Rob both bring up our history. We all know how bad they’ve been treated. That’s not in question. This is now though. We are here now and we gotta move forward. We have moved forward. For the last 8 years the most powerful man in the free world was a brother. That’s a beautiful thing. This country, socially, is so much better than it was even ten years ago.

And you seem to be ignoring the context in which I bring up our history. I’m not pointing fingers at the big bad white man. Get that rhetoric out of your head. What I am saying is that our racist history has had a strong influence on how our system is working today. The reason why there is a proven racial bias in our justice system is a mix between that and our human incompetence. The reason why there is so much tension stems from our history. From recent history, not ancient history from hundreds of years ago. The Tuskegee experiment was finally exposed and stopped in the 70s. That is not as long ago as you thought, and things like that is a huge reason why there is a strong distrust and gap in race relations. That is why there is so much anger. So our history has everything to do with what’s going on today. It’s not a guilt trip, it’s not your fault, there is nothing you can do about it, you don’t have to apologize, just understand it’s influence. That influence is much stronger than any BLM movement.

Saying that there is system wide racism still, today, is crazy to me.

I’m not saying that our system is filled with raging racists, I’m saying that our system works with racial bias which is proven. It’s also working with a sexist bias. Men get harsher sentences than women. It also works on a sexy bias. Attractive people get off much lighter than uglier people. Probably why I get treated so nicely even when I’m an asshole.

I talk a bunch of shit about America all the time, and we have a long way to go. I still love it here. Things aren’t perfect and they never will be.   

I personally hate America. I absolutely hate this country. I will never abandon this country because I am part of the problem so I deserve what ever hell is coming to it just as much as the rest of us. Also, it’s cowardly to turn my back on this country like that and I appreciate my freedoms to express my hatred for my country. Could be a lot worse.

As for Obama being president, that doesn’t prove that we don’t still have a lingering problem. It proves that we have come a long long way, and it should be celebrated. But that does not mean there is not a problem. I proved it exists. And yes, there are other factors that play in the problem like poverty, the drug war, etc. Just remember that we had a black person in congress just 5 years after slavery. Are you going to try and say our system had no racism then?