Yay Yay said:

JJ Hambrums said:

Twiztid and Blaze leaving would be a bad business choice on their parts.

Would they even have their back catalog if they left? Despite business though, they're usually giving off the impression they're not happy there anymore. So what's the point of sticking around? If they ain't feeling it anymore, it's best to leave so they're just not all old and bitter and shit and full of regret. Maybe they wouldn't make as much if they left but maybe they'd have more freedom to do things they want which would make up for it.

mono's stated numerously he wants to start actin/makin movies im sure if its too expensive for psy to do for 'em he couldnt do it on his own

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Yay Yay said:

All the FBI has to do to win is open up J's book and read the description of what juggalos originally were in J's own words. Pissed off scrubs angry at the world. The types who were and are forming subsets and committing crimes just like ICP did. Like J said, it wasn't that juggalos were trying to be like ICP. But that through ICP's music it brought them together. These kinds of juggalos have been there since the beginning and they're not going away no matter how hard J tries to forget about them and turn the dark carnival into a Disney attraction. Because not every juggalo has it good. So why give the them shit for it? ICP deserves the shit for turning their backs on those people. ICP used to stick up and praise juggalos who are out there struggling. Now they want nothing to do with them because they want to appeal to everybody and suck that mainstream dick. Weak.

This is just bullshit and ICP hasn't turned their backs on anyone….jeez, how people can hate on others for their successes. I don't think ICP has changed and I don't see how J is suddenly a dick in so many people' s eyes. Like it has already been said within this thread, dude has put so many people on….would Twiztid have ever blown up like they did and enjoy the longevity and fan loyalty they have without J and Psy? Would any of us know who Blaze was? Twiztid said themselves in the Mostasteless inlay, 'We'll never forget ICP for putting us on'.

With the FBI case ICP are standing up for juggalos that are 'out there struggling' and being marginalised and singled out for their musical taste and social niche. Some people might not realise that the gang label means extended prison sentences, increased suspicion, frequent searches, stoppages etc. Shit…..ICP would be bullshit if they didn't do anything but they are actually putting themselves out there to fight this despite the fact that juggalos 'commiting crimes' as you said may undermine the work they are doing and open them to ridicule. It's easy to be cynical about everything but I don't think ICP deserve it…..and I don't think Twiztid should leave Psy; the label that nurtured and made them.

I wonder how many people in American prisons have a tattoo of a cross? I bet there are more than there are actual Juggalos. Christians should be labeled a gang too then, only because of the idiot ideology that placed Juggalos as gang members. 

People are ignorant and pessimistic. When something isn't generally understood or is kind of esoteric, it seems to get a lot of negative assumptions and accusations. A perfect example of this is the current conspiracies that are contradictorily targeting the Freemasons, Illuminati, Anton LaVey, and Aleister Crowley as a huge satanic organization that secretly controls the world. So of course Juggalos are going to get negative assumptions and accusations.

As for assumptions about the secrets of what goes on in Psychopathic Records behind the scenes, people are being just as pessimistic and assuming as the rest of society is with us. I'm pretty sure things aren't picture perfect there, but I highly doubt that it's as corrupt as people say it is.

I don't think Twiztid are unhappy with Psy it's self, it just seems that they are just unhappy in general with some of the things they see going on; the endless amount of hate the juggalos get, the disrespectful and completely unfair way that the media portrays us, the fact that many people in the outside world don't take them seriously because of their affiliation with the juggalos no matter how hard they try or how good they get. Not only that, they seem to be pretty in tune with what's going on around them, and if you were to take a look at some of the things that happen in this world you too have to admit that it's kind of depressing.

I also hear people saying that ICP has turned their backs on us. It's not at all that they turned their backs on us, the whole FBI case is proof that they are still in it for us, it just seems like they just aren't in tune with us anymore. They are happy with where they are at, get to live comfortably with out worrying about where their next meal is coming from, and they both seem to be pretty damn busy these days. People in general can't relate to the happy comfortable feelings they have as well as the good out looks on life. Hell, let's face it, most of us don't have shit, never had shit, and probably won't have shit especially in the near future. A lot of us are stressed out over how the fuck they are going to feed ourselves this month, ICP can't relate to that anymore, the don't feel like that anymore. Still is surprising that even though many of us have this gloomy stressful aura around us there are still so many people that like to listen to music by artists that rap about having money, bitches, fancy clothing, etc. It's like false hope to some of us, I guess.

That's not only morally wrong, it's highly illegal. Even scientology hasn't had it this bad. The U.S. government just CALLS them criminals. It hasn't officially labeled them a group of outlaws yet.

I said maybe people like you. As in, your post came across like you don't buy into conspiracy theories or something. I don't know. That's the way it came across when I read it first, no big deal. My only point there was those are all just accusations without actions. 

It's more than accusations because they put us on the gang list, hence more jail time for something that isn't true. You can accuse someone of killing in court but you can't give them the jail time without finishing the trial first. There is no trial to see whether someone is really a gang member if they have a tattoo saying juggalo. Now they have legal right to say you're an actual gang member if juggalo is a gang according the government. You have to be able to see what I mean here. 

Yes I think it's impossible for the FBI to think that all people who listen to ICP are in a gang. I have no idea what their beef is. Like I said before more murders and crimes have been committed by Christians.