the sleep paralysis shit is mad fucked up. I dated a girl who had that shit on the nightly. It ain’t no joke. Theres a song on Hells Pit about the witch being on his chest and when she heard that shit she was like “this is it exactly” trying to get me to understand what shes going through. 

It’s not symbolism when it’s happening to you. It’s your brain malfunctioning. Your chemicals are producing anxiety and your brain can’t figure out what to do so it creates things, all while the sleep chemicals make you immobile. 

The Warlock said
the troublemaker said:

i cant find the realjuggalos interview where monoxide speaks on how he felt about marz after they kicked him out.

FUCK juggalonews for not savin any of their classic interviews…  

Here’s an archived link homie, where you can still navigate the whole JN site. 

http://web.archive.org/web/200…..oxide2.php

Oh boy. A lot to sink my teeth into here in this old thread.

@spookythefungi You’re striking on a lot of truth here, but some of your finer points are a swing and a miss. I’ve taken up occult study as a sort of hobby over the past two years, so I’d like to try my hand at deconstructing the points you’re trying to make so that people might better understand.

You’re spot on about how symbols are powerful tools that can subtly influence the world around you, at least from an occultist’s perspective. The same can be said about everything being connected, just not in the way you say that they are. Remember that a symbol stripped of intent is fundamentally meaningless.

Do I think that J and Jump are two ‘woke’ occult-minded people deliberately applying their knowledge to influence the people around them? No. I think they’re two people who have a connection with their spirituality who just so happen to tap into occult principals along the way thanks to an open mind to the universe’s mysteries and happy coincidence. Sometimes that is enough. Examples being the divination ritual in the Lotus pid booklet- this was likely taught to Jumpsteady by Gary the Grey Wizard, as we hear of it in a story he tells that predates Lotus. ICP’s philosophy of “Believe til you Achieve, failure is not an option” taps into the Hermetic principal of manifesting your desires through the will of intent, but plenty of successful people do this without foreknowledge of the concept. I think they may have a measure of understanding regarding the power of certain things, but in suggesting Lotus as a whole is a machiavellian engineered occult tapestry makes you sound like an acid casualty. I say that because if J is some occult mastermind, he’s a sloppy one, and the scholarly acumen required to understand and apply all of these ideas deliberately would be enormous for somebody who by his own admission and with ample evidence to the fact is not a good student. There are such things as divinely inspired accidents, however.

That said, the iconography of the Lotus albums allude to the ancient mystery schools by use of the pyramids of Maya and Egypt, the Buddhist allegory of the lotus, the alchemical wheel and Mayan calender. While it’s a great use of the imagery, and ties into the Dark Lotus concept, it’s also a sort of superficial a la carte approach that suggests strong and consistent art direction which invites the viewer to ponder their mysteries more that it hints at deep understanding of meaning. There’s also an element of intellectual bias- if you slap enough profound imagery on to something, you can’t help but find what you’re looking for. That’s the major pitfall when it comes to dissecting esoteric symbolism, especially as it pertains to Illuminati-level conspiracy theories that lead to pretty outlandish conclusions.

As for the Sleep Paralysis thing, I’m glad that was mentioned. What J describes are absolutely the symptoms of a paralysis episode. I’ve suffered two episodes myself and I don’t recommend them. As for the whole “everything is symbolism” argument- again it’s a yes and no sort of situation. Yes insofar that everything is bound by the constraints of our geometric universe, no insofar as every natural gesture has a duel meaning to be dissected, see the above comment about confirmation bias. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. It doesn’t necessarily mean that some meaning can’t be derived from the chemical interactions and misfirings going on in our brain- there’s some fascinating articles by modern Gnostics interpreting scripture through the lens of the chemical interactions that make up everything. Interesting stuff.

tl;dr Everything is everything, except when it’s not and even then it is.

Edit: Also worth note is the title ‘Dark Lotus’ likely comes from J and Jump’s affinity for kung fu films of the 1970’s. An inversion of The White Lotus Society, a shadowy cabal of martial artists depicted in many Hong Kong B-Movies to which both J and Jump both claim to be fans of. The name likely came before the concept.

Symbolism. I used to get a kick about how my Digital Art prof said all the uses of mushrooms are phallic in art. Maybe some of us just like shrooms, lady. 

Damn yall, this some deep shit right here. I just like Dark Lotus’s music. With the exception of the album this thread started about lol. Always thought Tales sucked donkey dick…

@dood I feel you there, homie. I owe my Juggalohood to Lotus, and opening my eyes to the broader world of hiphop beyond the horrorcore that I covet.

@spookythefungi your perspective on things is interesting to say the least. I’ve said about all I have to say about J as an occultist in my last post, so I’ll take time to address some of the other points you’ve made here instead and provide you with some useful refrences. 

Are Juggalos ‘occult’? Firstly, I’m going to point out that you seem to be confusing the idea of ‘a cult’ with the esoteric knowledge that constitutes ‘occultism’. If we’re being honest, Juggalos certainly have aspects of cult behavior- hero worship, ritualistic behavior, an internal language, shared ethics and mythology. Where we differ is the fluid and freeform nature of the culture, there’s no stringent demand of financial tithes beyond the exchange of goods and services that exist elsewhere, no demands are placed upon us to isolate ourselves from the outside world (although many who are drawn to this sort of lifestyle begin from a place of isolation), and you’re free to decide how involved you are. This is the hidden upside to the whole Psy/MNE division, it encourages discrimination of taste and freedom of thought. We’re also one of the true multicultural entities in this country, despite media outlets insisting we’re all bred from white trailer park stock. A quick look around a GOTJ crowd puts that assertion to bed real quick. A better way of looking at Juggalos from a sociological perspective is by comparing us to a tribe. So the question as to whether Juggalos are occult depends largely on the individual Juggalo. Every tribe has their shamans.

When you say “they” I assume you’re referring to the construct people call The Illuminati. Let me tackle that right quick… Is there a global-centric cabal of elites calling the shots from lofty protected spaces? Absolutely. The Bildeburg Group, Trilateral Comission,  Club of Rome, Bohemian Club, international privatized banks owned by The Rothschilds and a few other families, CIA Extragovernmental affairs and secret societies and their complex but undeniable relationship to one another testify to that fact. Are they occult, or pushing an esoteric agenda that is meant to penetrate society at the basest cultural level? Yes and no. Yes in that most if not all of the world’s oldest establishments are rooted in occult tradition (seriously, the more you learn about it the more mindblowing it becomes, especially when it comes to the Abrahamic religions), and survive as a matter of course. No in that their displays symbolism and pagentry are not an expertly balanced ritual exercise meant to impact people on a psychological level. I’m sure some among their ranks that are true believers, and think this to be the case, but mostly it’s people of true privilege sucking their own dicks. 

The truth of ‘the elite’ is much more benign than a clique of dark wizards pushing the world towards apocalypse. It’s more of an amalgam of powerful organizations hording resources and sharing among their own for mutual benefit, occasionally starting wars as an act of societal culling and resource management/allocation. Anecdotal evidence suggests that these factions don’t always get along, or have their own agendas, so the progression of things is a lot more chaotic than people think. The occult aspect to all of this exists due to the fact that there old families with old traditions built into the foundation of this structure, but practicality and terrestrial gain are what ultimately dictate the course. The idea that we need to fight against “their” dark magics or otherwise need to band together as a society to ‘awake’ and wage a psychic war to achieve some kind of karmic balance is a popular idea, but unnecessary. The occult, or any religion whose teachings can be applied positively for that matter, teaches us that cultivation of spirit is all that is really necessary to free ourselves from negative influence. The knowledge “they” are privy to is fundamentally no different than the knowledge you are privy to, you just need to make the effort to search it out, study it and apply those teachings. Our thoughts shape our reality, so you are no more influenced or under a spell than you believe yourself to be. Free will is a beautiful thing.

Last thing I’ll touch on before I hop out of this rabbit hole and into something more substantial and useful. A lot of what is called ‘Illuminati’ symbolism as seen in popular culture, art and politics are Masonic in nature and are derived fom the ancient mystery schools. Alchemy, astrology, geometry and mythology are all represented in their rich library of ritual and symbolism. If I had to guess, I’d say that 80 percent of Freemasonry is a harmless boy’s club and has many good philanthropic people among their ranks as well as men of influence. The rest is a sort of weaponized occultism in service to some agenda, but the right-hand-never-knows-what-the-left-is-doing pyramid structure of the organization ensures secrecy and servitude. A lot of secret societies and some organized religions follow this paradigm. My point is, when you see a celebrity throwing a handsign or alluding to the Eye of Horus, or dicking off between two pillars, it’s less MKULTRA and more Freemasons wiggling their theological dicks at one another. They love to do that.

My last point concerns the video you posted. Beware the youtube rabbit hole when it comes to pursuing knowledge of the occult. There is a lot of good knowledge available, but a lot of it is obscured by people’s biases, misinterpretations or egotism regarding their own depth of study. Avoid terms like “What I think this means”, “The way I see it” or the making of connections that seem like big stretches in logic. Conspiracy minded occult thinkers are terminally guilty of this, and these are usually strong indicators that the lesson is no good, even if it is built on a solid foundation. Examples I found in your posted video pertain to the host shilling for his other videos and the cavalier attitude he has regarding layering them in symbolism and stating that it’s “only for the woke”. That’s not a lesson, that’s an exercise, and I’m positive there’s nothing to be learned there that can’t be found elsewhere with greater clarity. He also goes on about synchronicity, but uses YouTube videos and advertisements as an example. He’s apparently ignorant to the fact YouTube or any Google-related software use algorithms based on user data to push content relative the user’s interests to the forefront. That’s not Divine Providence, it’s literally built that way.

A man who introduced me to the Hebrew numerical magik called Gematria (a rabbit hole all its own I may never comprehend) departed a piece of sage wisdom to me recently: If the knowledge is good, keep the lesson, but always discard the teacher. There are a lot of e-occultists who think themselves gurus but are in fact just literate acid heads who think they have the keys to the kingdom. That’s why I hate the term ‘woke’ so much- it implies that the person is somehow more aware and enlightened, ignoring that each individual’s path is different, knowledge manifests in many ways, and comes to the student as it does. If such a person has a Patreon the only thing you ought to donate is a hot poop in their honor.

Thanks for putting up with me so far. I support the path you’re on, and just wanted to share some of the things I learned to help you avoid some of the pitfalls I’ve had on my own journey. Truth should be empirical in nature, simple in comprehension, and practical in application. Here are some references that, when digested in order, give a more complete portrait of what I touched on in this thread. It’s literally weeks if not months worth of material to go over, but it should help advance your understanding. Worst case scenario is, you can refer to them when you’re stuck on a particular question.

The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall – Legendary Freemasonic scholar with a staggering body of work. From there you can move to his lectures. Bone dry stuff, but thoroughly comprehensive.

The Mystey Babylon Series by William Cooper. Ex-CIA intelligence officer turned conspiracy theorist. Allegedly assassinated. I’m not saying to believe everything he says, but his perspective on history is thought provoking.

The Gnostic Scriptures – A collection of books that include the biblical apocrypha, The Emerald Tablets of Thoth and The Hermetic Principals. I’m still chewing my way through these but it’s a great resource for the esoteric traditions and their application the allegory of hidden scripture. Lots of cool stuff here.

way tl;dr Twiztid is the shit and I’m down with the clown Dark Lotus for life til I’m so on and so forth

On a side note, i cant believe i was able to post these posts…last time I typed anything that took me awhile on the forums, the page would glitch when you hit submit button and all would be lost…props to the mods for making the forums functional

krunkazphuk said

Have u seen Graham Hancock’s banned TED talk?

YouTube Video Graham Hancock – The War on Consciousness BANNED TED TALK  

1st off, fuck ted talks and their one sided bias propaganda…and to answer your question, yes i have, over a year ago i watched it…i even watched vids where he talks about it being banned.

I rewatched it to refr3sh my memory so i can ask you what part of it is interesting to you?

My favorite part is when he calls alcohol and coffee boring glorified conscious alternators hahaha

krunkazphuk said

Yeah, fuck TED right in Rosie O’Donnell’s blow hole. I’m a junglist, & find his humble approach to healing through shamanism a beautiful beginning for the West to get over itself and share the dirtball with everything else.  

I agree wit ya on that…the west definitely cares more about oneself than other humans and beings and the planet as a whole…it is crazy to think that more and more people are actually seeking shamanism frequently, lately…its like everyone wants to find this ayahuasca substance and dive into a new reality…i personally will not touch it, i have gotten all i need through lsd and mushrooms. It may have taken a few more trips than ayahuasca to achieve this way of thinking, but it still got the job done….i think its more about the shaman/teacher that makes the ayahuasca experience a quick transition. I bet one could get the same experience with lsd as long as they are around the right person, or feed their mind with the right material, than focusing on the sweet visuals and multiple levels of thinking by thyself…you can only expand your box’s walls so far by yourself, you need someone to hop in your box with you and help expand the walls even farther