As Far as Fritz, i think he was good but people saw "gravy boat" and "everybody dies" have the same old fritz bass lines and drums with alot of open space in the beats. it got old after a while. fritz had a ton of good beats in my eyes, im just sayin the day they were released people were not impressed becuz of "mostasteless" and "freek show" being high quality, "green book" seemed to be mixed poorly. but "darkness", "afraid of me", "hom sho bom" the layzie bone track and others are classic twiztid tracks. the E40 collabo was a major let down cuz of the beat fritz or mono made, it was not a track for E40 at all.

And I just respect twiztid for handling the production on "heartbroken and homicidal" They made each beat from the ground up and made some good songs to their beats. "SpiderWebs" bangs! its a ruthless track towards dealing with women. in an era where hip hop is making tons of love songs, twiztid went the whole other way. "Circles" is catchy as fuck! i dont care wat anybody says, that track showed madrox's love for rock music. he has a nitch for making rock choruses and the beat gave him room 4 melodies. same with "set by example". the beats were quality audio wise. u can hear twiztid having linkin park influences with their love for audio FX and vocal FX, they work hard on their editing and final products.

the label always has its ups and downs. Dark Lotus Tales from the Lotus Pod with Marz....violent J was stuck in his "Bizzar Bizzar" Flow like tracks "Mr Happy" during that era, Violent J was kindda like the Bizzare from D12 of the label. On The first Lotus you would have madrox, mono and blaze spittin hard ass verses with rhythm, killin it while violent j would pop up always comical and sayin some out of left field shit instead of focusing on rhythm. check out tracks like "black magic", "swarm", "hurt myself". Then on Dark Lotus "Black Rain" J was back on his rhythm and rhyme game and was shining on that album.

as far as the beats for H&H, its not a hip hop album. its more of a rock influenced record. its not full of club bangers or rap tracks. it was a subject album and the music was the backdrop. where as the new twiztid cd "abominationz" is a ur modern day hip hop album where just like a tech n9ne cd, it has fast hip hop flows and ground breaking beats. i never bought a twiztid CD cuz the beats were dope, it was the overall product,

for example Freek Show. "we dont die" isnt a mind blowing instrumental but it gave twiztid a good platform to work on. twiztids vocals seem 2 over power their choice of beats throughout their career, they make anything they record on work. "mirror mirror" has some of the weirdest production ever by them cuz they were working on Black Majik, it has rock guitars, house basslines, some techno influence but it worked for them, they cooked up "tha world", "for those of you", "watz that"...and "watz that" is the definition of a twiztid song during that era, their hooks never made sense, they just sounded good lol.

ive said all i need 2 day, i dont wanna come across as a hater, ive been supporiting ICPs music for over 11 years so i have a lot of insight on their music.

this is gonna be a new era we havent experienced while ICP is this big, theyve always had twiztid by there side. we kindda saw the split coming with them never touring or collaborating like they used to during the freekshow era. it got sour in 2004 during the mirror mirror - green book era and now twiztid has left.

I feel ya, i actually think Mirror Mirror is overlooked and under appreciated. Its one of my favorite twiztid albums from start to finish it all blends and the beats are so different. and you said it right, the technology lacked so its not crisp and clear but that doesnt really matter. they were spittin fire on that album.

Freek Show has some really dark production, i loved how the book said it was recorded somewhere in deep dark forest, lol it had that kindda feel. the distortion and bass was perfect for their style, rap rock was huge in that era and they put their own twist on it. i actually like freek show over mostasteless becuz theres only one version of it, and it was released in the way it was suppose to and its perfect.

they set the bar way high, and violent jay said 2 statements that were perfect,..."if i was on twiztids nuts any more id be a condom" haha, he was very pleased when they presented the album 2 the hatchet, violent J was there for "wat the dead like" and "maniac killa" and mono and madrox and fritz did amaizng on the rest of the album without anyones help, and when j said on the rydas ryden dirtay..."With the freekshow bump face twitch in my eye" it was perfect. cuz that CD is very loud and bass filled, its intense.

thats wat made ICP and Twiztids music appealing in the 2000s, they were angry and dark. Their fanbase grew bigtime in 1999 to 2002 cuz NuMetal was in and ICP was almost similar in sound and style, but ICP was more rap oriented and it was a bridging gap for a lot of juggalos who were only into rock music to turn their ear to this new wicked rap style.

i remember in an interview with monoxide where he was talking about freek show and how during that time rap rock was in and him and madrox were sick of seein bands like papa roach not doing it right, so freek show was there take on that late 90s style, but mono said he aint feelin that no more and doesnt wanna repeat that style in the future, almost talkin down on freek show, it was a little weird cuz freek show is their break out album to alot of their fans. but mono said he liked linkin park cuz mike shinoda could rhyme his ass off lol.

The original poster who started this thread.....you lost at me God.