Oh…and id totally agree with this guy if it wasn't for all his "family" nonsense. I automatically take people for a joke when they start speaking of "juggalo family" lol

IF YOU YELL AT PEOPLE THEY'LL LISTEN TO YOU AND TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY !!!!

No offense but you're sounding real desperate here. But anyway, yeah, ICP has lost it. Their music isn't very good anymore and they don't know how to run a label anymore either. Everyone's leaving it. I have respect for their past, especially the 6 cards eras. But I'm not going to keep giving them passes and my money for their past accomplishments.  Same reason I'm not gonna order a PPV because Hulk Hogan's on it because I liked him in the late 80's/early 90's. If you're played out, you're played out. Move on and make room for the next. They had their run. I don't see the point of continuing to respect someone when they haven't done anything in years worthy of respect. So yes ICP has built a lot. But they can also lose it all if they keep being greedy and making bad decisions like they have been. And make no mistake, they're not protecting juggalos, they're protecting themselves. You'd think if J really cared about juggalos he'd listen to them. He doesn't. You'd think if he cared about juggalos he wouldn't nickel and dime them over everything. You'd think if he cared about juggalos he'd tell those media outlets to fuck off like Twiztid does when they diss juggalos and then want an interview. He doesn't. You'd think if he cared about juggalos he would take his health a bit more seriously so he can rock the mic and the stage to his full capacity like Madrox did. If he cared about juggalos he wouldn't sign people juggalos don't even like but since he likes them, juggalos be damned. He just does what he wants. Signs who he wants. Makes music how he wants. Runs things how he wants. He whores out his family every chance he gets. And the stats coming from that attitude don't lie. His label is dying and ICP are losing fans. It's that simple. Much respect to their past. Very very little respect for their present, if any at all.

Also nobody knows who has used what on the label but since you accuse Madrox, what about J looking like he's dozing off and half a sleep all the time? And his constant references to drugs in his music and interviews? He doesn't have a voice or flow anymore. Just sayin'.

lol What conspiracy am I saying (besides maybe J's drug use)? I'm only looking at the facts. Fact is people that matter are leaving Psychopathic. Fact is ICP isn't bringing in more fans than they're losing. That's not a conspiracy fren. That's really happening. It's not happening because they're making awesome decisions and ICP is making great music. No, those things are happening because the label is making bad decisions and ICP isn't making good music anymore. I won't pretend like I know their finances in and out like some people here. But I do know it doesn't take a financial consultant to recognize that lots of employees and important ones at that leaving = bad. I don't need to be an industry insider to know that selling less copies of your new album than previous albums = bad. I'm no conspiracy theorist or expert. Only saying what I'm seeing holmes. If people want to be blind to it and cover their ears, that's their choice. I won't lose any sleep.

I'VE BEEN DOWN SINCE THE AMERICAN PSYCHO DVD AND ALL I KNOW IS YOUR ALL IDIOTS LLAL

everyone respects them and all of their accomplishments, but i got into ICP hardcore in 1999, but after the 6th Dropped, ICP hasnt been delivering good quality classic music anymore.

when it all boils down, its about the music.

i got into ICP in 1999 and never got into this "Family" bullshit. it always made me laugh, i been down for 11 years and never got a tat, didnt "whoop whoop" in public and dress is a ton of their merch. i know the whole ICP catalog like the back of my hand becuz i loved the music. This whole family era was proving haters right, juggalos were actin so proud of being a "juggalo" as a lifestyle instead of liking their good music and when ICP drops a bad album they still ride the train even when the new albums are really bad.

twiztid was keeping me around the psychopathic label cuz twiztid still makes really good music.maybe ICP was a little jealous cuz twiztid is still on a creative high, where as it seems Violent J used up his juices after working really really hard on shangri la and hells pit. when esham was around J upped his rhyming and flowing but then The Tempest and all the new shit and its really weak rapping, their flow is wack now and i really hate to say that cuz i love ICPs music but its just not the sam

ICP had their run and to me, it seems like ICP stopped doin that hardcore wicked music becuz of all the news reports on how violent juggalos are, so they played into the family thing like juggalos are fuckin hippies. we wear hatchet men, the music is called wicked shit, they have tons of songs about murder and being a psycho, and thats ok, but now they just say were family and have fun like were hippies. that annoys me. i bump icp and twiztid cuz its angry and dark and thats ok becuz i let them do the killing in the music, its like therapy. but when they put out "bang pow boom" and mighty death pop, its just corny and too happy feeling and i cant find one good decent track that i actually love. i play OG dark lotus almost daily cuz its magical and it captures their rawness and shock value they used to give us.

CP is suppose to represent the darker side and they lost that touch with most of their original fan base, now we have kids whoop whooping non stop, wearing too much merch and standing behind them even if the new album sucks, which as a fan of music i cant stand. when ICP delivers good shit, i love it, when its bad i get really dissappointed.

when twiztid didnt get any promo for "heartbroken and homicidal" i was really let down, becuz that album was pretty good. even on "WICKED" i thought twiztid should have put out at least 3 videos. i bet we wont even get a video from this abominationz album cuz its under the hatchet legally which sux cuz alot of juggalos are considering it a classic.

and maybe after twiztid was working with Joe Strange who works with top quality artists like eminem, maybe he had some influence in making twiztid see that they are really talented but overshadowed by the mega name of insane clown posse. hate to say it, but even when twiztid does their next album they will be known as the former insane clown posse associates. it will be like that for years until they establish their own brand to the outside public

Im still waiting for the day for Violent to bitch slap me in the face with a really good CD

as far as twiztid and drugs, i remember Monoxide said hes on prozak or somethin like that cuz he was diagnosed with panic attacks. remember the monoxide interview online during the green book era? i think he talked about it in their.

that monoxide video interview also shed light that twiztid works under a lot of pressure, and sometimes the anxiety gets the best of you. madrox might be playin around with cocaine for a little and lost weight, but who cares the man is a rock star and he can party. he looks healthy now. if it wasnt drugs maybe he just wanted to lose the weight 4 himself.

speaking of "The Green Book"....another classic Twiztid CD that psychopathic didnt even give it the light of day. twiztid had their website designer make them a video for "afraid of me". psychopathic should have made more videos for them, its really messed up.