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records you'd like to see released on vinyl
March 14, 2017
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Milenko and the rest of the cards.

WOTH

 

..btw for the Riddlebox vinyls…there are 2 releases…..one is much more $ then the second release a few years ago, so watch what you are buying….i believe the tracklist on the back is ganked up or something…i dont remember and im too lazy to go look.

June 13, 2017
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What I would like to see for vinyl for 2017 and 2018:
 
1. Box set of all 3 of Shaggy’s solo releases.
 

2. Ringmaster.

3. Terror Wheel

4. Any other Dark Lotus

And no picture discs. The sound is terrible.

RE: Riddlebox vinyl reissue does indeed have some track listing errors. Otherwise, it’s a great vinyl from what I have heard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuzakGeCRzU#t=1m8s

June 13, 2017
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H3ML0K said

I know there’s mad shit flying with Twiztid right now but Mostasteless OG Variation on Vinyl would be sweet!  

I would love to see it as well. But I’m not sure who has the master. I mentioned my concern about that in another topic here.

Re: Mostasteless.
Psychopathic put out the original one in 1997, but Island/Def Jam helped put out the 1999 one with a different track listing and some censored lyrics such as the song diemotherfuckerdie. So I don’t know who has what master. I would prefer the uncensored one. I don’t know if Island/Def Jam ended up retaining the original master in order to distribute it in 1999. So we may have another situation where the band does not own the master such as ICP’s GM and AJB

In another topic, I was educated about forgotten freshness and how the volume 1&2 package was an Island release but Psychopathic originally had just one which had a different track listing than the 1&2 package. I also speculated this could be another situation like mostasteless. Did Island acquire the original psychopathic master in order to release their own Island version? If yes to both, there will be no luck seeing any of those on Psychopathic vinyl these days. Even if ICP still somehow had the master of mostasteless, I doubt they would issue it to give Twiztid any press. Or maybe they would, so they could make money off of Twiztid’s first album as a ‘fuck you’ to Twiztid. But would they stoop that low? I would figure that since J has said his piece on the Juggalo Show and Shaggy had that one verbal stab on his new solo album, they would just leave the beef at that and move on. 

All I can say is I would buy mostasteless whoever the hell put it out.

Whoop Whoop vinyllover :

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The 2nd one was misprinted. The one with the PSY imprint, the first one is Legacy and Jive only. I have both and they sound identical, very good. 

 

From Discogs: 

Note that the tracklist ON the vinyl itself is wrong. They don’t list the interview track which pushes all subsequent tracks afterwards up 1 & headless boogie & 3 rings are in the wrong order (reversed) on the tracklist.
 
I have an OG one for sale. Sleeve is a bit rough but the discs have only been played once. Problem is finding my house though, I guess. 
June 14, 2017
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ICP – Ringmaster + all other cards and sideshows.

 

Dark Lotus – The Opaque Brotherhood

 

Shaggy 2 Dope – Fuck Off / F.T.F.O / F.T.F.O.M.F

Whoop Whoop Cosmos :

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I think at this stage Ringmaster is the elephant in the room when it comes to the unreleased record albums. Mix that bitch for analog range and optimum bass response, cut it at 45rpm, press on double black regular weight discs, slap a gold-foil cover on a gateway sleeve and call it a day. I would by a half dozen of those. 

One that I want that I haven’t seen mentioned would be The Tempest DJ Kit. That would be tits. 

June 14, 2017
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Doesn’t the RB vinyl have The Smog incorrectly listed as a track

Edit: yeah it does

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Which is weird, seeing as Terror Wheel wasn’t released on Jive, so how could that even be possible? Unless like Dead Body Man, The Smog was supposed to be on Riddle Box originally and they used the wrong tracklist

June 15, 2017
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The original does have this misprint. On both the sleeve and label. I just pulled one out to check. 20170614_231833-1.jpgImage Enlarger

June 15, 2017
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I think at this stage Ringmaster is the elephant in the room when it comes to the unreleased record albums. Mix that bitch for analog range and optimum bass response, cut it at 45rpm, press on double black regular weight discs, slap a gold-foil cover on a gateway sleeve and call it a day. I would by a half dozen of those. 

One that I want that I haven’t seen mentioned would be The Tempest DJ Kit. That would be tits.   

I would agree with spreading a large album over 2 discs. Wikpedia has “Ringmaster” at 70 minutes. Divide that by 4 sides and you get roughly 17 or 18 minutes of material. Perfect amount for each side. Less tracks per side hopefully means less music closer to the inner groove, thus less music possibly suffering from inner groove distortion. Unless you have an S shaped tonearm and your cartridge on the Stevenson alignment and a super sharp shibata needle like myself. Then IGD should not be much of an issue.

I have always wondered why cut it at 45 rpm? I don’t know why. I figured that if cut at 33rpm over 2 vinyl discs, we can have more music time elapse on a side and hopefully not get too close to the inner part of the record and worrying about IGD. Example. Look at how Florida metal band Obituary cut their new album at 33rpm.

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Looks like they could have another song on each side. But they decided not to. I like to think the engineers knew about inner groove distortion and were trying to eliminate it in their own way.

I would say if Psychopathic still has the master they used to cut cd’s and tapes of “Ringmaster” they probably went analog to digital given that they made tapes. If they went digital first, then can go back to analog. It is possible to make that conversion sound good, but it has to be done correctly, as I outlined in my first ever post on this board.
https://www.faygoluvers.net/v5/…..tal-vinyl/

June 15, 2017
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1.“Wax Museum”Insane Clown Posse5:12
2.“Murder Go-Round”ICP5:38
3.Chicken Huntin’ICP4:08
4.“Mr. Johnson’s Head”ICP6:10
5.“Southwest Song”ICP5:45
6.“Get Off Me, Dog!”ICP1:47
7.“Who Asked You”ICP3:00
8.“The Dead One”ICP4:34
9.“My Fun House”ICP and Jumpsteady4:58
10.“For the Maggots”ICP1:46
11.“Wagon Wagon”ICP3:55
12.“The Loons”ICP5:28
13.“Love Song”ICP4:18
14.“Bugz on My Nutz”ICP4:29
15.“House of Mirrors”ICP and Capitol E6:06
16.“Ringmaster’s Word”ICP2:51
Total length:70:05
June 15, 2017
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Tracks 1-4 : 21 minutes.

Tracks 5-8: 15 minutes.

Tracks 9-12: 16 minutes

Tracks 13-16: 18 minutes.

Now if you changed this up and took track 4 and put it on side 2 of the vinyl with tracks 5-8, you would then get 4-8 on side 2. That would leave you with 21 minutes on side B and 15 minutes on side A.

Tracks 1-3: 15 minutes

Tracks 4-8: 21 minutes.

No matter what, one side of record 1 will have 21 minutes and the other side of record 1 will have 15 minutes. Therefore, would we want Mr. Johnson’s head at the end of side 1 or the start of side 2? Either would be fine.

June 15, 2017
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Okay, I found some answers as to why 45 rpm on 12 inch albums.

 

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/…..ay.132280/
Why 45, you ask? Because it sounds better! In record mastering, the higher the recorded level and frequency, the greater the groove curvature. Curvature isn’t usually a problem, per se, on the outside of a 12” 33 1/3 record, but as the groove moves toward the center, its relative speed slows down and curvature increases. Yes, it is still turning at 33 1/3 revolutions per minute, but consider: one revolution takes 1.8 seconds. That 1.8 seconds at a 12” diameter is covering a lot more territory than at the minimum 4.75” diameter. The result is actually a loss in high frequencies, and increase in distortion as the groove moves to the center. The problems start when the curvature of the groove equals or exceeds the diameter of the playback stylus. What can be done about it? Many things have been tried, but there is no “magic bullet”. Keep the recorded volume to a reasonable level (read: On scale on the meters) is the first thing. Play the record back with an elliptical or line-contact stylus that has a smaller tip radius. And, if possible, make the record short enough to keep the music away from the very end of the disk. This isn’t always possible, of course.

BUT, if we spin the disk at 45rpm we now have a 35% increase in groove velocity at any point on the disk. This is a huge advantage! Yes, the groove still slows down as it moves inward, but the effects are greatly reduced. The only problem is that the amount of recorded time is now also reduced by 35%. What do you do about that? (Hint: split up the LP into 4 sides on 2 records.) Now you’re cookin’ doc! Yep, twice the mastering cost, plating cost, pressing cost, label and jacket costs. It’s enough to make the bean-counters break down and cry. But the sound! Oooooh, yeah! This isn’t sales hype, it’s physics. Listen for yourself. You tell me if it’s worth it. A lot of music lovers think so…and they are right!

Well if we are concerned about inner groove distortion and inner groove velocity, then don’t put music at the inner groove. Compress the groove at 33 rpm and have less than 20 minutes per side. It will look like you could fit another song and a half on the record and you don’t. Problem solved. Right?

the general answer is that, with all other values equal, bigger linear speed of the groove at 45 rpm means smaller groove curvature than at 33 1/3 rpm. And therefore, less tracing distortion.

Whats the deal with Half-speed masters
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Many of my finest sounding vinyl records are either cut at 45rpm on 12″, half speed mastered, or both. I’m talking about some of the audiophile remasters, a la Music Matters for Blue Notes, Classic Records, Mobile Fidelity, etc.

LPs that play at 45 RPM has nothing to do with high speed mastering.

Records played at 45 will theoretically sound better than at 33. Half-speed mastering refers to the speed at which the lacquer is spinning when it is cut, it’s still played back at (usually) 33.

The theroy is that a 45rpm record takes a longer pass than 33rpm for the same information. Think about a tape machine at 15 inches per second (ips) vs 30 ips or at the other end at 7.5 ips (Jack White’s favorite tape speed. When the record turns faster, the information gets more spread out over more geographic area and hopefully more detail.

Same goes with mastering at half speed. The cutting lathe and playback is slowed down by 1/2 speed so the cutting head can go slower against the lacquer disc to hopefully increase detail into the grooves, espcially with higher frequencies, where the head can cut half the frequency. The high end is where many want those crisp details. So a half speed master that plays back at 45rpm is essentially double fold (theorectcally) better.

My Dawes “Nothing is Wrong” album is cut this way, and quite annoying with only two songs per side. I hear you becuase although it may sound incrimentally “better” than a standard 33 1/3 record, it is annoying that only two or three songs per side across two discs. Side A, Side B, Side C, Side D…even getting up once in the middle is bad enough. So I hear you.

 

June 15, 2017
8:24 am
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I’d like to see some old Esham and Natas on vinyl.  *Closed Casket and Doyoubelieveingod*

June 15, 2017
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Legacy engineers absolutely knew about IGD and the spacing is brilliant. I’ve turned this record up insanely loud and IGD is not an issue whatsoever. Very clean sounding platter. Legacy Vinyl is no joke. 

Ringmaster is AAD. Could be remixed to AAA if the tapes are available. 

45rpm cuts sound better. I’ve done enough comparative work to be sure of that. I have records that were cut at both speeds and have compared them with an obsessive ear. 45 all day long. 

June 15, 2017
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Guest said

Ringmaster is AAD. Could be remixed to AAA if the tapes are available. 

I’m getting a huge vinyl boner over this possibility. Personally I would prefer a well compressed groove at 33rpm leaving room for at least one and a half more tracks on each side. But I would not be opposed to having it cut at 45 rpm with a relatively compressed groove to save room for one track at the end either. Just to have Ringmaster on vinyl cut from original analog masters would be FUCKING AMAZING!

June 15, 2017
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Ewww, you guys actually LISTEN to your Vinyl?!?!……lol…..but anyway…..has anyone took the chance and ordered the RED cross Lotus Vinyl they got on the new Hatchetgear to see if its different or just the Gold one they already re-leased?

June 15, 2017
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I play most of my records. I have to admit that skyrocketing vinyl values have me treating some of my rarities more gingerly but I play discs regularly that I enjoy regardless of value. I spin some really rare records but my set-up is decent and they are made to be played and all. 

Times have changed. I do know a few collectors who never play their records. Like ever, all new. Shit boggles my mind, yo. 

June 15, 2017
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Of course I listen to vinyl. I have a 10 year old Technics sl-1200mk2 with a bent S shaped arm. I also have cartridge that has a super sharp shibata needle on it. Sounds amazing!

June 15, 2017
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lol….i dont even own a Player…..i see my vinyls as not only a sickness but a penence for all the music i stole….years later im buying the Vinyl of shit i Napster’d back in the day……..but yea…..i open the vinyls which the sleeve has to be perfect…….i got a technique to remove the advert sticker or the Parental advisory sticker….slap them on a clear cover then i got sleeves for each platter as well …the whole package is kept in 12″Vinyl collector box…..i know….

ps. the Twiztid Freakshow double was a masterpeice……Wicked as well.

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vinyllover said
Of course I listen to vinyl. I have a 10 year old Technics sl-1200mk2 with a bent S shaped arm. I also have cartridge that has a super sharp shibata needle on it. Sounds amazing!  

Only one? Still, respectable. 

All 1200s have an S arm unless you mod. It’s like saying I have a Porsche 911 with four wheels. They all have four wheels. You got a cork mat? If not, get your ass a cork mat. That plus what you have is a good start. If you don’t have an arm level you might want to grab one. A couple of bucks very well spent. Cheers. 

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