MNEJVoorhees said
Do you even really know, I mean, you haven’t bought their shit in a DOZEN years!

They do rep the juggalo fam, strong to this day. In their music, on social media…. Hell last show I went to (last year) was called the Juggalo Invasion Tour. They still mention juggalos all over the place.  

And yet their campaign now doesn’t. In a string of hashtags that include repping themselves they choose not to say juggalo. 

Like i just said to lucem, i don’t think that means they turned their back on us just that it’s an interesting choice to decide to not use the word juggalo right now, while claiming to want to bring the family together. 

King Lucem Ferre said
You think a lot of why Twiztid tried to leave back in 03 has to do with a rap group nobody had even heard of until 06? You think everybody that has ever had a problem with Psy only had a problem because Twiztid was spreading propaganda behind the scenes? Wow.  

No, I don’t think that’s the cause of everything but I don’t think it helped. Basically I don’t think they made any effort to keep the family together but all the while kept pushing the family shit to all the fans. 

Tom Dub (no relation to Bonez Dubb… I don’t think, anyway) was a terrible alcoholic. He knowingly started tensions on both side of Twiztid and ICP, for whatever reason. Blame the alcohol, whatever… that’s no excuse.

Remember he got Violent J to think that “Frankenstein” was a diss to him? Once he found out the truth, after his own drunken internet rant, he joked about rocking a Frankenstein shirt lol.

This all happened. I remember my brother and I being in disbelief at it all. We were younger, true, but it really was a bit disturbing to see our much-appreciated bands going after one another like that.

Why would Violent J and Shaggerts 3 Hope have an issue with Majik Records then, really? Anybody Killa currently runs his own side label with Native World. 

Those of you that claimed ICP didn’t push Abominationz enough… guess what? Those two clown gentlemen, Violin Jayz and Bocephus Utsler, put time, money and love into making a little piece called-

I can’t remember the name at the moment… but they made THE FUCKING TWIZTID DOCUMENTARY MOVIE.

“if I were on (Twiztid’s) nuts any harder, I’d he a condom” – Violent Spaid Housecat.

They didn’t HAVE to do that. They DID IT. 

Twiztid got the most promotion and energy and money than any other artist in Cyclepatchik’s Motocross Records EVER. 

How fucking hard is it to see? 

When Esham was having trouble with Reel Life Productions, they signed him and pushed his ass, too. Then the drugs started talking lol and Wheel Wife Productions grew bitter.

Short of Vile N Gay and Faggy Poo Smoke doing something absolutely personal and reprehensible to my family or fingering my gerbil, if they put me on at ANY level that they did with artists from Tali Demon to Dayton Family to Twiztid, I would be forever greatful. Money shit means nothing. They never stole anything from these people savings that they earned BEFORE going WhyYoFatChick Recordz, so everything after that point is on them. 

Stop having so much false sympathy for these unappreciative folks like Otis, people. You look fucking retarded.

InSainn said

No, I don’t think that’s the cause of everything but I don’t think it helped. Basically I don’t think they made any effort to keep the family together but all the while kept pushing the family shit to all the fans.   

Or maybe you’re full of shit and looking for reasons to hate because of a blind allegiance you feel you owe to a bunch of rappers.

Noah Fence said
 There’s no money in MUSIC  anymore not just the scene. 

Nobody is saying they own tech, just that his love for juggalos is inconsistent which is fine.   

Yeah, inconsistent meaning he’s not constantly talking about juggalos all the time and stroking their cocks. Yet, I’ve never heard him ever talk bad on juggalos, always has good things to say.

Edit: If there is no money to make in music then Tech wouldn’t be on the forbes list.

King Lucem Ferre said
I don’t have sympathy for Young Wicked because he obviously left do to being a fuck boy.

I’m just pointing out facts. Dude was a full time rapper, main producer and engineer and couldn’t even afford an apartment.

 

So either it’s as Demonic Swagger says and there just isn’t any money in the scene anymore, or they don’t get paid worth a shit. “They might not have done much to promote Twiztid when they left, but 12 years ago when they didn’t want to leave they promoted them! They should have been grateful for what happened 12 years ago!”

 

Yeah… I’m really glad that a lot of you don’t run a businesses. If I get signed I expect my shit to be taken care of by the label for the full decade, and not just having to remain eternally grateful for what happened a decade ago.

 

Noah, I’ve seen plenty of interviews where Tech shouted out juggalos and the interviewer wasn’t a juggalo. I still don’t get why juggalos feel like they own Tech.  

Once again, YOU DON’T KNOW HIS SPENDING HABITS. 

Some people don’t get the concept of saving. Others never figure out how to choose to be ambitious enough to show up to work on time every day. Some employees run their fucking mouths behind the scenes to others but are too cowardly to work problems out to your face. Some people have alcohol problems, then get clean, but transfer that monetary depletion routine into other shit.. like fancy clothes, fast food, fabergie (sp? hahah i know it’s wrong) eggs, etc..

^ all of that and more is what I deal with daily being a manager at my gig. Frequently, it’s like babysitting. I’ll bet ICP and even Billy Bill feel like that’s what they are doing sometimes.

My mom dated this fucking redneck piece of shit for too long. He literally DID NOT UNDERSTAND how to pay his bills. She literally had to take him by the hand to mail or go pay his dues. Some people don’t understand the idea that these companies, however corrupt, are POWERING YOUR ELECTRICITY, HEATING YOUR HOME, GIVING YOU WATER, ENTERTAINING YOU WITH CABLE, ET FUCKING CETERA! I bitch about it more than anyone, but I still understand that I want certain services, and I am left with little choice but to pay for those services. Do the companies get out of line? Oh yes. You have to CHECK THEM. 

I once called this flimsy internet company in NC because they tried to charge me a random amount of money one month. I was so harsh that the girl on the other end started crying. They got rid of the charge. Same with Sprint back in the day. They tried to randomly sneak in a $150 fee, so I called them up and the gal nicely said she’d take care of it. She did.

OTIS and other future potential artists: IF YOU FEEL YOU ARE BEING SLIGHTED FINANCIALLY, PERSONALLY OR PROFESSIONALLY – STAND UP FOR YOURSELF AND SAY SOMETHING GODAMMIT! 

Oh, and uh, back on the original topic. I kinda like the juggalo civil war cause as someone on Facebook put it the other night, Twiztid is filtering all the crap out of the juggalo community for us.

InSainn said

I’m retelling the facts as they were told to me. But you know how it is, everyone seems to hear something different. I was around this scene back then. I don’t know if you were or not but that’s what I know.

So you get your facts from word of mouth. Okay, got it.

As for oweing a bunch of rappers. No more than you seem to think you owe to another bunch of rappers. Every post I see from you is talking down on Psychopathic like a lil Twiztid fan boy.

I’m the fan boy. From the guy who thinks Twiztid was spreading propaganda behind scenes based on word of mouth, compared to the guy who thinks perhaps Psy might have shorted a few people based on the fact that every artist that left Psy has mentioned money or not being able to survive. I’m not even hating on Psy. Just presenting the fact based scenario that shows Twiztid isn’t the back stabbing pieces of shit you are so desperate to believe they are.

Yea, maybe business wise they could be cheap, we don’t know. We also don’t know how much they bring in, or how the spending habits of their employees go but by the way they’ve always done for their fans I have no reason to question their motives. Wish I could say the same for Twiztid but unfortunately they’ve given me every reason to question them, especially in the last week.

Well, other than the fact, not word of mouth, but fact confirmed by Jumpsteady himself that while Young Wicked was an artist, engineer and producer for the label he didn’t have his own place. And the plenty of implications of money problems from past artists. Or the fact that Violent J signed some random chick he was fucking. Or the fact that they have lost most of their roster. If we want to sweep those facts under the rug then yes we have no reason to question their motives. And let’s question Twiztid’s motives because they don’t want to march for a label that just called them snakes and they actually sell you stuff, you  know, like a business.

But whatever, I don’t care what someone with a talentless assclown in their profile pic thinks of me.  

You obviously do, since you responded. Also, if Kanye was talentless he wouldn’t be where he’s been for the past decade making the impact he’s made and still making. He’s like, everything the juggalos aspire to be. Does what he wants and doesn’t give a shit. Speaks his mind. Became something from nothing through hard work and determination. Sticks a middle finger to the system and corporations on a level juggalos could only dream of. Yeah, Kanye is truly everything a juggalo wishes they were.

InSainn said
Oh, and uh, back on the original topic. I kinda like the juggalo civil war cause as someone on Facebook put it the other night, Twiztid is filtering all the crap out of the juggalo community for us.  

So you’re saying juggalos that like Twiztid were ruining the community? Hmm. Perhaps juggalos that sheepishly follow and are quick to turn their backs on one side over word of mouth, speculation and revelations that their favorite rappers are actually trying to run a successful business are the problem. I haven’t turned my back on ICP and Psychopathic and I”m not even a juggalo.

Old Mr Dangerous said
Tom Dub (no relation to Bonez Dubb… I don’t think, anyway) was a terrible alcoholic. He knowingly started tensions on both side of Twiztid and ICP, for whatever reason. Blame the alcohol, whatever… that’s no excuse.

Remember he got Violent J to think that “Frankenstein” was a diss to him? Once he found out the truth, after his own drunken internet rant, he joked about rocking a Frankenstein shirt lol.

This all happened. I remember my brother and I being in disbelief at it all. We were younger, true, but it really was a bit disturbing to see our much-appreciated bands going after one another like that.

Why would Violent J and Shaggerts 3 Hope have an issue with Majik Records then, really? Anybody Killa currently runs his own side label with Native World. 

Those of you that claimed ICP didn’t push Abominationz enough… guess what? Those two clown gentlemen, Violin Jayz and Bocephus Utsler, put time, money and love into making a little piece called-

I can’t remember the name at the moment… but they made THE FUCKING TWIZTID DOCUMENTARY MOVIE.

“if I were on (Twiztid’s) nuts any harder, I’d he a condom” – Violent Spaid Housecat.

They didn’t HAVE to do that. They DID IT. 

Twiztid got the most promotion and energy and money than any other artist in Cyclepatchik’s Motocross Records EVER. 

How fucking hard is it to see? 

When Esham was having trouble with Reel Life Productions, they signed him and pushed his ass, too. Then the drugs started talking lol and Wheel Wife Productions grew bitter.

 

Short of Vile N Gay and Faggy Poo Smoke doing something absolutely personal and reprehensible to my family or fingering my gerbil, if they put me on at ANY level that they did with artists from Tali Demon to Dayton Family to Twiztid, I would be forever greatful. Money shit means nothing. They never stole anything from these people savings that they earned BEFORE going WhyYoFatChick Recordz, so everything after that point is on them. 

Stop having so much false sympathy for these unappreciative folks like Otis, people. You look fucking retarded.  

Lmao bruh. I need to start posting here more often. This shit is hilarious, and creative. If this forum is populated with people like this, I’m gonna have to be more active. Ya’ll better be ready for me.

Old Mr Dangerous said

King Lucem Ferre said
I don’t have sympathy for Young Wicked because he obviously left do to being a fuck boy.

I’m just pointing out facts. Dude was a full time rapper, main producer and engineer and couldn’t even afford an apartment.

 

So either it’s as Demonic Swagger says and there just isn’t any money in the scene anymore, or they don’t get paid worth a shit. “They might not have done much to promote Twiztid when they left, but 12 years ago when they didn’t want to leave they promoted them! They should have been grateful for what happened 12 years ago!”

 

Yeah… I’m really glad that a lot of you don’t run a businesses. If I get signed I expect my shit to be taken care of by the label for the full decade, and not just having to remain eternally grateful for what happened a decade ago.

 

Noah, I’ve seen plenty of interviews where Tech shouted out juggalos and the interviewer wasn’t a juggalo. I still don’t get why juggalos feel like they own Tech.  

Once again, YOU DON’T KNOW HIS SPENDING HABITS. 

Some people don’t get the concept of saving. Others never figure out how to choose to be ambitious enough to show up to work on time every day. Some employees run their fucking mouths behind the scenes to others but are too cowardly to work problems out to your face. Some people have alcohol problems, then get clean, but transfer that monetary depletion routine into other shit.. like fancy clothes, fast food, fabergie (sp? hahah i know it’s wrong) eggs, etc..

^ all of that and more is what I deal with daily being a manager at my gig. Frequently, it’s like babysitting. I’ll bet ICP and even Billy Bill feel like that’s what they are doing sometimes.

My mom dated this fucking redneck piece of shit for too long. He literally DID NOT UNDERSTAND how to pay his bills. She literally had to take him by the hand to mail or go pay his dues. Some people don’t understand the idea that these companies, however corrupt, are POWERING YOUR ELECTRICITY, HEATING YOUR HOME, GIVING YOU WATER, ENTERTAINING YOU WITH CABLE, ET FUCKING CETERA! I bitch about it more than anyone, but I still understand that I want certain services, and I am left with little choice but to pay for those services. Do the companies get out of line? Oh yes. You have to CHECK THEM. 

I once called this flimsy internet company in NC because they tried to charge me a random amount of money one month. I was so harsh that the girl on the other end started crying. They got rid of the charge. Same with Sprint back in the day. They tried to randomly sneak in a $150 fee, so I called them up and the gal nicely said she’d take care of it. She did.

OTIS and other future potential artists: IF YOU FEEL YOU ARE BEING SLIGHTED FINANCIALLY, PERSONALLY OR PROFESSIONALLY – STAND UP FOR YOURSELF AND SAY SOMETHING GODAMMIT!   

Type in all caps all you want, but I assure you that even with shitty spending habits Young Wicked should be able to afford an apartment. Especially when selling music, touring, being the main producer and engineer. He should have no problems with money. According to them, he was also sober. So no, that’s a shitty excuse to cover for Psy, and also requires you to ignore every other artist out there from Psy that felt jaded financially.

Then lets repeat the “If he really had money problems then why hasn’t he said anything? Why didn’t he leave?” He just fucking did. And you assume he never talked with anybody from Psy about it. I can’t confirm that, but I personally doubt it. Because even though he should be able to afford his own place through all the work he was putting in, I don’t think that was the reason why he left. I think he left because he is a cowardly fuck boy.

Now, if Young Wicked really was that much of a mess and leech on Psy then why would they deal with it for so long? 3 years of him getting all this money and spending it like shit? You don’t think they would have dropped his ass if he was really this irresponsible? They already did it once. So if he really was a shitty spender you know they would have no problem dropping him again. They would not be putting all their faith and effort into a guy who can’t even afford his own apartment because of shitty spending habits. Quit desperately defending Psy and think on it.

Facts. Young Wicked was signed to a label that doesn’t deal with irresponsible artists. He put in all of this work and didn’t have his own place to stay. Plenty of past artists have complained about money problems with Psy already.