I’m not mentioning Christianity. Just from the three pages here thus far, the complaint hasn’t been about it either. It might have came up but I don’t think that’s the argument. At least not for me. There was no “implement” about god when he said “But for any person who truly believes in their heart in a greater power, they have hope. They have salvation, they have faith. They lead a happier life. They believe in an afterlife so they don’t fear death.” Unless you’re arguing that the term “greater power” isn’t about a god specifically, in which case I would encourage you to read that interview again because he’s making it very clear what he’s talking about. 

 
I’m excited for these albums.

Me too. Just because someone takes issue with something J said doesn’t mean they can’t still enjoy the music nor does it mean they’re pulling out the pitchforks and torches. 

 

And hey, Lucky made good points.  Better dismiss them all and call him a crybaby and tell him he takes everything too seriously.   

Speaking of dismissing points, want to correct yourself on that whole “implying god” thing yet? I mean, I did give you his exact quote to back up my argument. 

Keep fighting the good fight lucky, the heathens will never understand . I definitely became a lot more religious in bootcamp. I know I wouldve never made it without His hand guiding me. Corny as it might be, that interview is the shit and I can’t wait for this fuckin album, religious rhetoric aside.

Hmm. I used to be “Christian” or whatever the fuck. Then someone told me something that made me think; religion would be restricting yourself to all the possibilities, so keep an open mind to everything. I liked what he said. Like the bible, the only way to know what it really says, is to read it in the original language it was written in, because there’s all these translations, and it gets all fucked up, and twisted around, and fucked up. I do not have any interest in learning Hebrew or Latin or whatever, or getting into it, because, like I said, I could care less. So me, I’m just whatever. I’ll turn into a monk or something and meditate in Tibet. Lol. 

And about J, I did find it strange about him talking about religion, that’s a little different, but it’s whatever. I prefer him talking about Shangri-La. I like that a lot better. 

scruffy said

The Notorious, L.T.B. said  
Keep fighting the good fight lucky, the heathens will never understand .    

there are differences between not understanding; and understanding just fine, but not wanting to buy in.  

i am in the latter category.  

  

its not a fight.  or at least, shouldnt be.  thats what pisses me off most about both the individuals who believe in a higher power and worship it as members of an organized religion, and the individuals who may or may not believe in a higher power, but either way work in direct opposition to organized religion.  both groups always feel like they have to fight.  constantly.  they dont.  

the non-churchies [being my group, i dont feel i need to change the label] are, by and large, not interested in the fight, whether its good or not.  

  

Sagely as ever scruffalufagus, I really enjoy reading what you have to say. You remind me of my older brother in that regard

Actually, we never sit here and attack Christians (well I am now), Lt. B has never had this problem. It’s you attacking us and then throwing a fit because we defend our selves.

Crybaby bitch.

Kill all Christians!

i am with lucky on this one, i dont really see the issue here. I am not a religious guy at all, but i am spiritual and there is a difference. I dont subscribe to any specific piece of organized religion and honestly i have days where i doubt there is a god at all, but at the same time i believe there is something more after death and there is things we dont understand about our creation and existence, whether thats a guy sitting in a cloud or some cosmic force that has no known shape or form, i dont know. and ICP have NEVER gone against god, but they have lampooned organized religions, thats what “Hellalujah” was, and thats what “Where’s God” was. All your favorite horrorcore artists probably have belief or faith, and they arent all “fuck god”(except maybe playboy the beast). If you cant see the difference between mocking religion and mocking god then i dont know what to tell you,because they arent intertwined 

CellE2057 said

LuckyNumbrXIII said
  Or even in this case implies God.  

  

You weren’t being unclear, you were wrong. In order to prove your point on the ferocity of people who disagree with Violent J on this topic, you said that, which simply isn’t true. I told you as much, both with an exact quote AND the recommendation that you re-read the whole interview. Your response was to quote me saying that I might be over reacting. Which I stand by. It most definitely is a possibility but has nothing to do with my point. Thus, you dismissed my point by claiming that I’m overreacting. Ignoring the hypocrisy of you shaming other people for doing the exact same thing; you were wrong about J “implying” god. It was not implied. So, are you ready to correct it yet?

Yeah, there is no implying. He is straight up talking about god in that interview. There is no arguing that