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10:53 pm
January 19, 2013
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The Warlock said
This got me hype as fuck!! I been sayin that about young O-T!!
J>>>>the haters..
Amen Brother!
10:58 pm
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May 22, 2012
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Cheshyr said
[back up one page, and read it]
i agree, or at least dont disagree, with most of the spoiler stuff.
freedom of religion does include freedom from religion. but it doesnt really apply, in this case.
the cynic in me has to wonder if they might try to found a legal church. dodge taxes and fbi, see.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
11:03 pm
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August 12, 2012
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I watched the Juggalos watching the movies from way in the back. Ninjas knew every line to every scene. It was hilarious. The Juggalos had a great time watching those two classics back to back. Some wondered why we didn’t show the sci-fi ICP spectacular “Death Racers 2000.” It’s simple … because that movie sucks! But what everybody really wants to know about is the 3rd chapter of the Big Money Saga. Of course, I’m talkin’ about the space odyssey “Big Money Thrusters” coming soon to a Netflix near you. Well, maybe not “soon” but it’s definitely coming one day.
Shit… 2015 is the official year of the Juggalo! So besides our year round events of flavor and freshness like the above mentioned Hallowicked Clown Show (and its now legendary after partiess), as well as the spectacular Gathering of the Juggalos. And don’t forget the holiday glee of the Big Ballers Christmas Party all going down in 2015. Ninjas can expect a live Juggalo Championship Wrestling event taking place each and every month from the Crofoot in Pontiac, Michigan. If you can’t attend the wrestling shows live, each event will be offered on DVD at Hatchet Gear, so all you ninjas can keep up with the twist and turns happening in the wild world of JCW.
Not to mention in 2015 we’re puttin’ out not one but two brand new ICP albums which make up the 3rd Joker’s Card of the 2nd Deck. Of course were talking about the bright and shiny, “The Marvelous Missing Link (Lost)” and “The Marvelous Missing Link (Found)” albums. Complete with about four videos off each album.Two new albums droppin’ means you can also expect a nationwide ICP concert tour for each album. First off, there will be the “Lost” tour going out in May and June followed by the “Found Tour,” which goes out in September and October all the way to Halloween, you know how we do it. All fresh style. Also in the month of April, 2015 we’re going to be doing several ICP in store appearances to promote the arrival of the “Lost” album.And in case you muthafackos didn’t know, 2015 marks the 20th anniversary of the mighty “Riddle Box” album! So there will be several miscellaneous “Riddle Box” concerts taking place throughout the year, where we will be performing the entire “Riddle Box” album live. Plus there will be tons of brand new “Riddle Box” merch at Hatchet GearWe are working very hard trying to put together a mini gathering for Australia to take place in late 2015 if not then, than definitely it will happen in 2016. You can also expect for more radio shows to be added to Psychopathic Radio as well as many many more surprises popping up through out the year because Psychopathic Records is active and alive bitch, 24/7 all-year around. We are here to entertain the Juggalo people and we love doing it, it’s all we ever want to do. So expect a lot in 2015 because it is the year of the Juggalo!One guy we’ve been working with is Se7en from over at the Strange Music camp. Also we’ve been working with our own super ninja, Kuma. Good ole’ Mike P has returned to the scene and he’s been delivering some super heavy wicked shit our way. But the main ninja we’ve been working with is Young Wicked aka Otis from AMB.
Repost of just the newsworthy info from the J interview.
11:58 pm
September 18, 2012
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He wasn’t talking about religion being the key to happiness, he was talking about belief in a higher power.
I stay agnostic. Agnosticism does not hinder my ability to be happy, other shit does. To me it seems like telling yourself that everybody else is a hater to dismiss criticism if you believe in a higher power for happiness.
Also, how does the lack of belief ruin the miraculousness of what is around you? That’s fucking stupid. Flowers are still wonderful regardless of how they came to be, the things that float around in the night sky are still beautiful regardless of whether or not they were made by intelligent design, pussy still feels great regardless of the existence of a higher power. I just don’t get why people feel they need to believe in a higher power to appreciate shit. I also don’t get why people think that a lack of belief means you don’t appreciate shit. It’s a pretty silly argument too, when you break it down. How many people have heard a religious person basically say, “See those mountains over there? Beautiful aren’t they? God. That’s god. That’s proof.” It’s like me saying, “See my wall over there? White, isn’t it? He-Man. That’s He-Man. That’s proof”.
Also, just for clarity, it’s usually a Christian provoking the argument or trying to convert me rather than me taunting and insulting said Christian. Regardless of the fact that I’m killing all Christians, I’m very respectful towards other people and their beliefs. It’s them that provoke it with me. So, no, you bigoted believers, the stereotype is not true, in fact anybody with any belief what so ever, whether it’s religious, political or what ever, likes to wave their dick around as if they are greater than others with opposing beliefs. Hell, when I was in school all the Mormons and the Christians used to pick on the Muslims. They were pretty fucked up, understand why we have homegrown Isis terrorists. Muslims get treated like shit. At least at the high school I went to. Also, I don’t mind Christians that want to try to convince me as long as they are not dicks about it. I mean, if your intent is to show your ass and tell me I’m wrong get the fuck out, but if you do it because you truly want to ‘save’ me I don’t mind it nearly as much. These people believe I might suffer an eternity in a giant ocean of fire, so to take the time to prevent that from happening to me is kind of flattering.
12:06 am
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May 22, 2012
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Lucem (Just An Asshole) Ferre said
How many people have heard a religious person basically say, “See those mountains over there? Beautiful aren’t they? God. That’s god. That’s proof.” It’s like me saying, “See my wall over there? White, isn’t it? He-Man. That’s He-Man. That’s proof”.
not bad, that.
Also, I don’t mind Christians that want to try to convince me as long as they are not dicks about it. I mean, if your intent is to show your ass and tell me I’m wrong get the fuck out, but if you do it because you truly want to ‘save’ me I don’t mind it nearly as much. These people believe I might suffer an eternity in a giant ocean of fire, so to take the time to prevent that from happening to me is kind of flattering.
i keep it polite n shit in these cases. there does come a point where i cant really take it anymore, from some of these types, but thats usually more my problem, than theirs.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
2:14 am
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August 6, 2013
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I cringed when I read the album descriptions. I hope it’s not as IN YOUR FACE as he claims.
Maybe J became a Freemason… Lol
2:43 am
October 30, 2013
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The one big thing that I find as a “saving grace” for all of J’s dialog… is that I’ve never heard or read him say, “Jesus”…
I can “suffer” any kind of talk about religion (especially when he always makes mention of “any religion”) but as soon as he says “Jesus” or I hear it in a fuckin’ ICP tune… I may seriously consider supporting Twizted inventing their OWN Gathering because I will NOT attend The Gathering if it begins to turn into some kind of perverse evangelical camp-out attempting to hit people up about Christianity.
The Gathering is it’s own “holy place”. Sex, drugs and rock n’ roll!!! (or hip-hop as it may be). Call it PLUR, call it Juggalo Love… I have NO interest in having ANY of it be converted into some kind of Christy Camp Out…
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October 30, 2013
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Come to think of it…
The OTHER thing I find disturbing about these kinds of views is their astute familiarity with the horror genre… HOW MANY SERIAL KILLERS became that way BECAUSE of religion? BOTH fictional AND in reality? How many REAL killers became that way because of their parents inability to cope their children’s sexuality? Or how many fictional characters were castigated for being “dirty” by their pious parent(s) only to become murdering psychos?
“Norman?!” “Carrie?!”
“They’re all gonna laugh at you!”
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7:32 am
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August 6, 2013
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I think I understand what I THINK (keyword being think, speculation alarms are sounding off) J means by hope, he mentions religion, but I think he means having ANY sort of hope or faith of ANYTHING in your life. Depressed people lead a life without any sort of hope that anything is worth it. Look at Suicide Hotline, that is a song where someone finally loses all hope or faith in oneself, and is going to end it because of that fact. Then he gets “the call.” Which honestly I never was fully sure if he is SERIOUSLY stopping or if he wants her to stop by so she can “see (him) in the chair with (his) thoughts beind (him).”
8:42 am
June 3, 2013
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Pigg said
I think I understand what I THINK (keyword being think, speculation alarms are sounding off) J means by hope, he mentions religion, but I think he means having ANY sort of hope or faith of ANYTHING in your life. Depressed people lead a life without any sort of hope that anything is worth it. Look at Suicide Hotline, that is a song where someone finally loses all hope or faith in oneself, and is going to end it because of that fact. Then he gets “the call.” Which honestly I never was fully sure if he is SERIOUSLY stopping or if he wants her to stop by so she can “see (him) in the chair with (his) thoughts beind (him).”
This is exactly what i thought when J was talking about faith. He still mentioned god but i don’t think it’ll be an overriding theme in the album.
8:57 am
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I think he feels that it HAS to be a higher power of some sorts. Sometimes works speak LOUDER and in a broader sense than the artist anticipated. But honestly none of us know.
11:47 am
July 15, 2011
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Cheshyr said
Ugh… okay…Just read the whole Herald.
I can appreciate what J is TRYING to do. I realize that in HIS mind he is being positive and upbeat and trying his best not to focus on HIS religion… BUT…
I gotta say I don’t really appreciate the insinuation that those “without religion” somehow have and always *will have a hole in their lives. That they live in fear and can’t know how to continue on with their lives. Kind of insulting, to be honest. I’ve heard this kind of stuff for years but in more directly insulting terms:
“What religion are you?” “Um, I don’t really have one.” “Oh, did you not have good parents?”
@scottied hit it right on the head for me already. NOT having religion is SOOO much more freeing than having it.
Religion is the RESULT of fear, not the cure FOR it. It replaces a fear of the unknown with the fear of God. Ya know why old people seem to have religion? Fear. Ya know why people “find” religion after traumatic events? Fear. Religion was the invention of ancient people that FEARED the unknown. How many other things that cavemen believed in thousands of years ago do we still believe in today? “Fire! Bad!”
I’m also a little unsettled when I hear J talk like that. He says “any religion” but I think we all know he’s talking about the “American God” because if he had suddenly converted to Buddhism, he wouldn’t be talking about faith. Like I’ve said in other conversations, we sure as hell know he ain’t talking about the Aboriginal Dreamtime as they have no concept of “faith” or “god” as most define them.
*I* have faith. I have faith in my fellow man; in humanity, my friends, my family. THAT is where “faith” should be placed. If someone feels lost, THOSE are the people who will be able to help you NOW… not after you make promises to ephemeral deities. It doesn’t fill me with a void. Not having friends does. Not having family does. Not having anyone to remember me when I’m gone does. People care for each other, gods only care for themselves.
I don’t know what happens when we die. NO ONE DOES! NO ONE! But NOT knowing doesn’t fill me with fear. It honestly fills me with hope that no one DOES know. The cosmos is vast and *seemingly unknowable. Yielding to a FEAR of that unknown to the thoughts of ancient peoples who didn’t even know what we know now seems like… a mistake. Science may “kill god” but it doesn’t kill wonder and amazement because the world and everything in it is a deeply infinite pool of it. Religion puts an end to that. Religion stops that pursuit because it gives no further reason to look for it and in *some cases, forbids it.
But what concerns me most about J’s espoused views is what he seems to expect the Juggalo nation to do about it. Juggalos love freedom and community. Freedom to do what they want and be who they are and find acceptance for it amongst themselves. “Religion” is not about that. Religion is about doing what “HE” wants you to do and be. (because gawd forbid a woman has anything to do with it). I don’t really have an opinion about how his discovery has changed *him but to try to convert other people to a line of thinking is….again, a mistake. The Dark Carnival (I thought) was an alternative to religion. A Juggalo religion. FUBU=For Us, By Us. “Real” Christianity has nothing to do with Juggalos. A Juggalo’s sense of morality has never hinged upon a belief in God but what they know is right and wrong. Juggalos have never helped each other because they are trying for those heavenly brownie points but because of that sense of friendship and family that supposedly binds us.
I dunno… I’m spinning my wheels here but the best comparison I could make is… maybe… the movie “Donnie Darko”. That movie started a huge movement of philosophical thinking amongst its fans; about death, about family, about the nature of time and space. But then… the director gave HIS explanation of “the secret” of who Donnie actually was. That Donnie was actually being contacted from a parallel universe by beings giving him super powers that would help him return an item to their plane of existence that would bring about the end of their universe if he didn’t… It pretty much destroyed everyone’s poetic views and love of the movie… J is on that path with this. If the “secret” of the Dark Carnival was that it was all an allegory for Christianity (and I doubt he would have used the would “allegory”), then he should be keeping it to himself and enjoying all the good the Carnival is doing and has done without its inclusion before all this religious talk puts a bad taste in people’s mouth (and not from the communion wafer) and his flock begins to stray.
Damn, very well-stated @cheshyr!
11:51 am
May 4, 2014
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After reading his interview it seems that he’s not advocating any of that “my god is bigger than your god” nonsense. He seems to equate god with faith, hope, positivity, afterlife, etc. Artists share a vision, and his may be that of a true believer. I’ll strap in & HOPE the albums stay sharp.
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2:16 pm
July 11, 2012
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I just Hope and pray to the music gods that Lost lives up to this hype… “I’d say the new albums sound way more ‘90s as far as our vocal pitch and delivery goes, but the tracks sound like some modern ass 2015 hardcore wicked shit. It’s like if you’re dying of thrust and some topless hottie hands you a big gulp cup full of icy lemonade and then blows your dick flute”
I have been dying of some thrust lately…
4:45 pm
September 19, 2014
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ScottieD said
That outlook might be ok for those who feel like they have something missing from their lives. As a former Christian though, I only found religion a hindrance. Too many unanswered questions, too much hypocrisy, and that basket called “faith” that believers throw all of their eggs in.I personally feel fulfilled on all levels without the need for a higher power. I slightly cringe when J goes on these outright religious rants, but it’s 13 years after “Thy Unveiling”, so obviously a difference of opinions isn’t going to sway me.
Any other atheists or agnostics in here? Believer or not, what are your thoughts on J’s description of The Missing Link?
It really stung. Not on a “fuck ICP” level or anything like that but I really think it hit me harder (in a negative way) than anything they’ve done before. Like you said, I’ve listened to “Thy Unveiling” and it didn’t steer me away so when they get all preachy on me, I can dismiss it because it’s part of the mythos of the Dark Carnival. I don’t care what the story is or who/what they choose to put in it, if they tell it well, I’m a happy Juggalo. What bothered me was him basically saying that unless I have a link to god, I’m “lost”. I don’t need religion or spirituality (religion without a spine), nor do I believe in ANY god and I think I’m doing okay. What he said seems to disagree with that though. Maybe I’m being a bitch and need to get over it but so far, I can’t do it. It’s still a new cut so I have to factor that in but it’s hard to dismiss J when he’s preaching the exact same thing that I turn to ICP to get away from.
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April 29, 2013
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scruffy said
aight, im idly wondering…let us assume that the central point here is that the link to god is specifically what is missing [as j says]; and further assume [speculate/pull from our asses] that ultimately, we juggalos are, as juggalos, more or less expected to have found that link.
if they are addressing that directly, its gonna have a broad effect on juggalo demographics. what i mean is, there will be noticeable changes as far as who the juggalos are made up of. itll cause many of the anti-churchies to bail out. shagrila definitely did, and it seems like this will be much more blunt. blunter. point is, it may well be looked at as excluding not only anti-churches, but also non-churchies, anybody not in church. and theyve gotta already know all that, unless they somehow missed it before.
it would kinda suck if, a couple years from now, i gotta take shit from juggalos because i dont have religion.
or a link. which i probably i dont, assuming it exists.
we dont all have faith. i dont. or rather, i recognize that faith is not founded on much more than wishes, i dont place much stock in it, and what faith i have is in people [not all of em, just the ones i trust], as opposed to church or god.
so in other words, you are expecting another moment similar to after thy unveiling? because there was a BIG rift when that happened as well
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April 29, 2013
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Pigg said
I think I understand what I THINK (keyword being think, speculation alarms are sounding off) J means by hope, he mentions religion, but I think he means having ANY sort of hope or faith of ANYTHING in your life. Depressed people lead a life without any sort of hope that anything is worth it. Look at Suicide Hotline, that is a song where someone finally loses all hope or faith in oneself, and is going to end it because of that fact. Then he gets “the call.” Which honestly I never was fully sure if he is SERIOUSLY stopping or if he wants her to stop by so she can “see (him) in the chair with (his) thoughts beind (him).”
in a way, i wonder if he isnt fluffing his own ego. he knows alot of juggalos leave their faith in them, in ICP and psychopathic.
5:34 pm
December 3, 2012
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I’m officially geeked to hear these albums!
There's a gateway in our minds
That leads somewhere out there, far beyond this plane
Where reptile aliens made of light
Cut you open and pull out all your pain
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5:44 pm
September 28, 2014
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Pigg said
I think I understand what I THINK (keyword being think, speculation alarms are sounding off) J means by hope, he mentions religion, but I think he means having ANY sort of hope or faith of ANYTHING in your life. Depressed people lead a life without any sort of hope that anything is worth it. Look at Suicide Hotline, that is a song where someone finally loses all hope or faith in oneself, and is going to end it because of that fact. Then he gets “the call.” Which honestly I never was fully sure if he is SERIOUSLY stopping or if he wants her to stop by so she can “see (him) in the chair with (his) thoughts beind (him).”
I agree with this. Take it from someone who’s currently feeling lost and depressed (not looking for attention, just saying) that you’ll look anywhere for meaning and hope. One of the best ways to do that, although it doesn’t work for everyone, is to find god. I think that’s why J put that much attention into the god part of the explanation.
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ganjadude said
so in other words, you are expecting another moment similar to after thy unveiling? because there was a BIG rift when that happened as well
its possible. could easily be a bigger rift.
never know what juggalos will pick up on and run wild with. maybe in the future, juggalos wont say ‘juggaho’, theyll insult each other by saying ‘youre lost’, or ‘you aint got no link’. perhaps #IMLOST will become the rallying call of the ninjas who dont wanna get religion.
now, tellin me ive got no link isnt really as harsh as a churchie would think it to be. myself, i consider that to be the greater blessing; nonetheless, if i hear that shit all the time, ima be far more jaded about snob-ass juggalos than i ever was before.
and dont think the anti-churchies wont get snob, too. they will. hell, theyre jaded now, so the counter-snobbery is already in the mail.
not that anybody here has been particularly snobby.
yet.
CellE2057 said
It really stung. Not on a “fuck ICP” level or anything like that but I really think it hit me harder (in a negative way) than anything they’ve done before. Like you said, I’ve listened to “Thy Unveiling” and it didn’t steer me away so when they get all preachy on me, I can dismiss it because it’s part of the mythos of the Dark Carnival. I don’t care what the story is or who/what they choose to put in it, if they tell it well, I’m a happy Juggalo. What bothered me was him basically saying that unless I have a link to god, I’m “lost”. I don’t need religion or spirituality (religion without a spine), nor do I believe in ANY god and I think I’m doing okay. What he said seems to disagree with that though. Maybe I’m being a bitch and need to get over it but so far, I can’t do it. It’s still a new cut so I have to factor that in but it’s hard to dismiss J when he’s preaching the exact same thing that I turn to ICP to get away from.
right.
if it comes down to ‘you have to have that link, or you aint shit’, what the fuck am i supposed to think?
this is one of those times when the shots they are taking [assuming they are taking shots, which is a safe bet] are without question aimed at me. not personally, but they definitely apply.
write this down, juggalos: we do NOT have god on our side. if god is out there [big if], he aint backin us.
once you start with that ‘ive got god on my side’ mentality, everything afterwards boils down to exclusion and hate.
every. fuckin. time.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
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