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8:35 am
September 5, 2014
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scruffy said
think about this one:does god make any decisions?
well let me thi… YES. *wow, Im now gonna have a lot of free time this month*
8:46 am
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YakkAttack said
scruffy said
think about this one:does god make any decisions?
well let me thi… YES. *wow, Im now gonna have a lot of free time this month*
So you believe god decides things…not just wills things. And by what criteria do these decision occur. You would have to have defined god as something that judges. Do you know this? If you are someone that believes we are made in the likeness of god, would that lead to a self judgemental god? Not an attack on your point, but just a question I have.
8:54 am
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and thats just for starters.
some people think declaration is proof. that interferes with their ability to consider anything.
or maybe, actual thought is too difficult.
most likely of all, he just wasnt willing to try. perhaps scared of the implication of the question, perhaps just dismissive of whatever i say.
either way, point will be lost on him until he takes more than a few seconds to work on it. maybe someday.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
12:28 pm
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scruffy said
either way, point will be lost on him until he takes more than a few seconds to work on it. maybe someday.
how about we make someday today? I based my answer of Yes based off the God of the bible. So the question is were there times in the bible that God “made a decision”? well like I said, its been a long time since I read it but the answer based off my memory would be yes. So… how about we get to your point now.
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YakkAttack said
scruffy said
either way, point will be lost on him until he takes more than a few seconds to work on it. maybe someday.
how about we make someday today? I based my answer of Yes based off the God of the bible. So the question is were there times in the bible that God “made a decision”? well like I said, its been a long time since I read it but the answer based off my memory would be yes. So… how about we get to your point now.
So your answer is “Yes” because a book said so?
12:38 pm
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Psyral Infection said
YakkAttack said
scruffy said
either way, point will be lost on him until he takes more than a few seconds to work on it. maybe someday.
how about we make someday today? I based my answer of Yes based off the God of the bible. So the question is were there times in the bible that God “made a decision”? well like I said, its been a long time since I read it but the answer based off my memory would be yes. So… how about we get to your point now.
So your answer is “Yes” because a book said so?
thats a whole another argument that trust me… it’ll go nowhere but circles.
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YakkAttack said
So… how about we get to your point now.
‘we’ cant. cuz its not my point.
the point, is for you to get the point. by thinkin about it. using reason. over an extended period of time.
its an incredibly complex question, once you really start to work on it.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
1:21 pm
September 5, 2014
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scruffy said
YakkAttack said
So… how about we get to your point now.its an incredibly complex question, once you really start to work on it.
Okay, well it does seem like you are being serious, so lets talk about. *even tho I am heading to bed right now, lol* If God is well you know God (can do anything, ect, ect.) why is such a hard question to answer? Why is it that you think he wouldnt be able to make a decision?
1:32 pm
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February 15, 2014
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@cheshyr , I took that Battleground God test and my results were:
You navigated the battlefield suffering 0 hits and biting 1 bullet, which represents an overall performance at the 94th percentile (i.e., 94% of scores are worse than yours). The tables on the right show how your performance compares to the other 14795 people who have completed Battleground God.
Recap of your Bitten Bullet
Bitten Bullet 1
You answered “False” to questions 7 and 8, which generated the following response: You’re under fire! You don’t think that it is justifiable to base one’s beliefs about the external world on a firm, inner conviction, paying no regard to the external evidence, or lack of it, for the truth or falsity of this conviction. But in the previous question you rejected evolutionary theory when the vast majority of scientists think both that the evidence points to its truth and that there is no evidence which falsifies it. Of course, many creationists claim that the evidential case for evolution is by no means conclusive. But in doing so, they go against scientific orthodoxy. So you’ve got to make a choice: (a) Bite the bullet of supposing that that scientists have got it wrong; or (b) take a direct hit, accepting that this is an area where your beliefs are just in contradiction.
This is absolutely wrong. The bold section above states that I rejected evolutionary theory when the question was “Evolutionary theory might be false in some matters of details, but it is essentially true.” – I answered false. Not because I reject evolutionary theory, but because the question states that “Evolutionary theory might be false in some details” which I claim is false. They are using a common trick of putting a two different questions that can have conflicting answers into one true/false statement. You can only logically claim it as true if you believe both but if you don’t believe any aspect then it becomes false. If I claimed true then I would be saying that I believe some details of Evolutionary theory is false which I do not. They cannot logically state I reject evolutionary theory when I say false to that statement.
Therefore I should have gotten a perfect score while never validating the existence of God.
1:34 pm
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YakkAttack said
If God is well you know God (can do anything, ect, ect.) why is such a hard question to answer? Why is it that you think he wouldnt be able to make a decision?
why would he?
what reason would an omnipotent, omniscient, and infallible being ever have to make a decision?
he knows what hes gonna do already, and further, whatever he does is automatically right.
and this is still just the tip of the iceberg. think on it for a couple years.
you wont get very far, before you hit your first catch-22. and that will just open it up further.
try it. seriously. invest some effort in your own spirituality, dont just coast along.
its not a debate, its a way for you make an evaluation of the nature of god, without just takin someone elses instruction for granted. whether you are religious, non-religious, or indeed god himself.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
1:43 pm
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February 15, 2014
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YakkAttack said
scruffy said
YakkAttack said
So… how about we get to your point now.its an incredibly complex question, once you really start to work on it.
Okay, well it does seem like you are being serious, so lets talk about. *even tho I am heading to bed right now, lol* If God is well you know God (can do anything, ect, ect.) why is such a hard question to answer? Why is it that you think he wouldnt be able to make a decision?
Well this omnipotent God, as you say, can do anything. But the question wasn’t if God CAN make decisions. It was if God DOES make any decisions. There is a big difference.
If God’s will is absolute then it is all will and no decisions are necessary. If God knows the outcome of all things then why are decisions even necessary. These are just a sliver of the vast amount of questions that the “Does God make any decisions” should bring to mind. The questions it engender are endless unless you close shop on your mind and just say that a book said so.
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@scruffy beat me to the punch on it.
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2:17 pm
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Another separate question. A question I’ve had since back when I was still religious: what is the purpose of prayer to an omnipotent god?
2:22 pm
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May 22, 2012
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thats a sticky one. especially if you are a pope.
begs the question of ‘prayer-as-petition vs prayer-as-worship’.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
3:04 pm
May 4, 2014
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Pigg said
Another separate question. A question I’ve had since back when I was still religious: what is the purpose of prayer to an omnipotent god?
In a book I’m reading called A Course In Miracles it says prayer “is a means of communication of the created with the Creator. Through prayer love is received…”
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3:52 pm
March 30, 2013
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I blame Otis for bringing “God’s Hand” into J’s personal bubble.
4:08 pm
October 30, 2013
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@psyral-infection @scruffy – I see your points. The link goes directly to the test rather than the introductory page so perhaps this might reconcile your comments with it:
Battleground God
Can your beliefs about religion make it across our intellectual battleground?
In this activity, you’ll be asked a series of questions about God and religion. In each case (apart from Question 1, where “Don’t Know” is a possible answer), you need to answer either True or False. The aim of the activity is not to judge whether your answers are correct. Rather, our battleground is that of rational consistency. This means to get across without taking any hits, you are required to answer in a way that is rationally consistent. In other words, you have to avoid choosing answers that contradict each other. Also, if you answer in a way that is rationally consistent, but which has strange or unpalatable implications, you’ll be forced to bite a bullet – accept something many find unpalatable and would view as being a major problem.
More about hits and bullets.
Of course, you may go along with thinkers such as Kierkegaard and believe that religious belief does not need to be rationally consistent. But that takes us beyond the scope of this activity, which is about the extent to which your beliefs are rationally consistent, not whether this is a good or a bad thing.
The test isn’t so much about proving or disproving any side of the argument but more of a sparring tool. A PHILOSOPHICAL discussion about religion is a different beast than arguing about its existence.
And just for the record, here’s MY results. I usually get tripped up on the Loch Ness Monster thing and the squared circle thing…
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Recap of your Bitten Bullets
Bitten Bullet 1
You answered “True” to questions 7 and 14, which generated the following response:
You claimed earlier that evolutionary theory is essentially true. However, you have now stated that it is foolish to believe in God without certain, irrevocable proof that She exists. The problem is that there is no certain proof that evolutionary theory is true – even though there is overwhelming evidence that it is true. So it seems that you require certain, irrevocable proof for God’s existence, but accept evolutionary theory without certain proof. So you’ve got to make a choice: (a) Bite the bullet of supposing that a higher standard of proof is required for belief in God than for belief in evolution; or (b) take a direct hit, accepting that this is an area where your beliefs are just in contradiction.
You chose to bite the bullet.
Bitten Bullet 2
You answered “True” to Question 17, which generated the following response:
In saying that God has the freedom and power to do that which is logically impossible (such as creating square circles), you are saying that any discussion of God and ultimate reality cannot be constrained by basic principles of rationality. This would seem to make rational discourse about God impossible. If rational discourse about God is impossible, there is nothing rational we can say about God and nothing rational we can say to support our belief or disbelief in God. To reject rational constraints on religious discourse in this fashion requires accepting that religious convictions, including your own religious convictions, are beyond any debate or rational discussion. This is to bite a bullet.
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The second result pretty much makes the point I’m trying to make, “If rational discourse about God is impossible, there is nothing rational we can say about God and nothing rational we can say to support our belief or disbelief in God. To reject rational constraints on religious discourse in this fashion requires accepting that religious convictions, including your own religious convictions, are beyond any debate or rational discussion.”
http://www.philosophyexperiments.com/god/Default2.aspx
oh and ps @yakkattack – you and Lucky both seem to be missing the same point. J *flat out* says that people without a religion are not happy and cannot be happy and live in fear. That there is a “missing link” in our lives and that we don’t “see the world in full color”. THAT IS THE JUGGALO ISSUE. Everything else we’re talking about is just debate.
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Old Mr Dangerous said
I blame Otis for bringing “God’s Hand” into J’s personal bubble.
Although that was a real dope record. I still bump that shit. I wish AMB/Otis had recorded that and only that and then just went away.
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@cheshyr , Got it. Cool. It looks like they got you with question 7 too. Well, no actually cause they are logically misrepresenting the conclusion derived from question 7. So you should add one more point to your score and then you would be at the 96.4% range (where 96.4% of the people got a worse score than you.)
Cheshyr said
The second result pretty much makes the point I’m trying to make, “If rational discourse about God is impossible, there is nothing rational we can say about God and nothing rational we can say to support our belief or disbelief in God. To reject rational constraints on religious discourse in this fashion requires accepting that religious convictions, including your own religious convictions, are beyond any debate or rational discussion.”
Good point!
Anyone up for some irrational discourse about God?
… Or is that pretty much what we’ve been doing the entire thread? :P
12:11 am
September 18, 2012
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God sometimes thinks about where God came from. God wonders if there is a higher power that had created God. God has deep bouts of wonder just pondering if there is any meaning to God’s existence at all. God thinks Lil B’s music is garbage.
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Lucem (Just An Asshole) Ferre said
God sometimes thinks about where God came from. God wonders if there is a higher power that had created God. God has deep bouts of wonder just pondering if there is any meaning to God’s existence at all. God thinks Lil B’s music is garbage.
What a little god. Having such wonders and thoughts as mere mortals.
I’ll say it… My God can beat up your God. :P
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