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7:50 pm
December 3, 2012
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Cheshyr said
Summa ya’ll sound like the “prophets of doom” in so many cheesy movies screaming about the end of the world every time there’s an eclipse or earthquake ‘er some shit… and now wanna seize on this like it proves everything you ever said was true. That only YOU were able to see the light while everyone else was blind… pfft…THIS TIME, yeah Mono dissed ICP with that video (and why did it take this long to hit?). THIS TIME, yeah not picking up the phone and hiding behind their manager was some beef…. THIS. TIME.
And some of you are forgetting the actual order of events and manipulating them to suit your own needs. Twiztid’s Gathering seminar took place BEFORE ICP… so anything said there had nothing to do with J making the Boondox announcement. For as much as you all wanna act like Madrox was being a dick, *I* took it as clearing the air with the same assholes that now wanna play retroactive prophet by putting an end to the beef storyline that these kinds of people have been trying to narrate for the group. And it did…. until this shit. THAT was Mono. HE fucked all this up. For THIS incident. Don’t be goin’ back through all your lyrics and claim that what is going on NOW is contained in the words of the PAST.
Madrox may have been the louder of the two but go back and watch that seminar and you’ll see that it was MONOXIDE that first but dude in his place about bringing up the tweet regarding having kids in the studio… Madrox just put the finishing move on it.
Until THIS.
And yes, this does put a spin on things now for people including me. I was actually gonna pay out for the VIP to meet Twiztid when they come to my town on the 24th and actually THANK them for putting that guy in his place at the Gathering because it helped the rest of us put an end to the bullshit beef conversations and threads…. but now… I don’t know. I’ll still pay to go to FrightFest and enjoy the hell out of it but I don’t know if I’d wanna try to speak to them on ANY thing from the Gathering now that it’s such a third rail…
And how the fuck is Monoxide’s little statement supposed to make Boondox feel about it all? I didn’t go to Boondox’s seminar but I heard that someone had asked if he WAS gonna sign with MNE and the answer was the usual joking of “That’s all speculation”… haha… but with Mono saying that shit, I guess Boondox is the adopted kid stuck with the parent that didn’t want him in the first place?
IF Twiztid does 17 then I’m bettin’ there won’t be a seminar for ANY of ’em on MNE; not because Psy won’t let ’em but because MNE won’t want anyone asking them questions about this shit… AND I’m bettin’ it’ll be more like two people acting like kids using their managers to talk for them in the same room, “David, tell Twiztid they go on in an hour” “They told me to tell you okay”….
There’s gonna need to be a lot of mending of fences with the fanbase on this shit let alone between the artists….
“They fucked up! They fucked up! They fucked up!!!”
These prophets of doom were always half right though most of us just didnt want to see it(including me) There obviously was/is beef there is no denying that at this point. Will it end twoztods career? Doubt it. I will still listen to em
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7:51 pm
February 24, 2014
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And y’all thought there was no mono beef…
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7:51 pm
April 4, 2012
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Slumerican502 said
What they should have done is not talk to icp through their manager. How fucked up is that? On the same token, what did icp do to make sure that they couldn’t talk to each other? Twiztids behavior is questionable but at the same time the more i think about it the more i wonder what went on in the first place.
^This. Everyone’s flying off on the fuck Twiztid tip when no one actually knows where all the tension is actually stemming from and why it really came about in the first place. Yes we’ve all heard the rumors and read the posts of what we’re being told is the reason for this and that, but in reality no one knows but the parties involved.
7:53 pm
April 4, 2012
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Shit, this could still be beef from way back in the Majik days.
8:37 pm
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May 22, 2012
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anybody ever heard the word ‘zugzwang’?
no, it aint syns dick. nice guess, though.
its a chess term. if it is your turn, but the only moves you can make actually weaken your position [and/or help your opponent], youre in zugzwang. [ive also heard it called a squeezeplay]
j just put twiztid in zugzwang. so to speak.
if they thought they were bein clever, he just showed em that clever is good, but its better to be smart.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
8:39 pm
September 18, 2012
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Carnivalkilla44 said
Slumerican502 said
What they should have done is not talk to icp through their manager. How fucked up is that? On the same token, what did icp do to make sure that they couldn’t talk to each other? Twiztids behavior is questionable but at the same time the more i think about it the more i wonder what went on in the first place.
^This. Everyone’s flying off on the fuck Twiztid tip when no one actually knows where all the tension is actually stemming from and why it really came about in the first place. Yes we’ve all heard the rumors and read the posts of what we’re being told is the reason for this and that, but in reality no one knows but the parties involved.
What I’ve been saying this whole time. The same people that said Psychopathic was a sinking ship are now the ones saying MNE is a sinking ship. The same people that said ICP are shitty managers that rip people off are the same ones saying Twiztid are being immature kids and big headed. Don’t take the drama nut hoppers seriously, they let their emotions control them way to easily. The only thing that really means anything is whether or not Twiztid does the gathering or not. If they don’t that really sucks.
Oh, and don’t think for a second that Violent J didn’t post that up just to make Twiztid look bad. Why would he make their business public unless he was trying to shit on Twiztid? He tried to paint himself as a saint, it’s fucking politics. That’s where they are being immature, they are playing the same games that Twiztid is playing just a bit more clever about it. Like Scruffy said, he doesn’t need a two weeks notice and he could have sent that two week notice to Twiztid privately. He could have done this all privately but he decided to be public about it. Reminds me of how in the NWA movie they made Dre look like Will Smith while they made Eazy E look like shit. Eazy never went broke, Dre nor Ice Cube even showed up at his funeral. It’s a facade.
Also, I don’t think any Twiztid lyric has been a direct shot at ICP except for Down Here. I just noticed the little jabs taken in the interviews and the rhetoric of how they speak about Psy and ICP. There has always been a bitter element in there, even during their last year on Psy. So I wasn’t being a prophet, I just have common sense, or maybe I’m just more in tuned with that shit than others have been, or maybe some of yall were just in denial. Now when I predicted everybody would imitate Yeezus’s production style I was being a prophet then. I just licked my finger, put it in the air and new in which direction the future was blowing.
8:41 pm
September 18, 2012
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scruffy said
anybody ever heard the word ‘zugzwang’?no, it aint syns dick. nice guess, though.
its a chess term. if it is your turn, but the only moves you can make actually weaken your position [and/or help your opponent], youre in zugzwang. [ive also heard it called a squeezeplay]
j just put twiztid in zugzwang. so to speak.
if they thought they were bein clever, he just showed em that clever is good, but its better to be smart.
Exactly.
9:14 pm
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May 22, 2012
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King Lucem Ferre said
What I’ve been saying this whole time. The same people that said Psychopathic was a sinking ship are now the ones saying MNE is a sinking ship. The same people that said ICP are shitty managers that rip people off are the same ones saying Twiztid are being immature kids and big headed.
are they? did you check that out?
or, i spose, just happen to remember everybodys opinions on it that well? i sure dont, and i been reading all this stuff long as you have. half the time, i cant tell if a ninja has flipped his position until they say sumn like, ‘i changed my mind.’
Oh, and don’t think for a second that Violent J didn’t post that up just to make Twiztid look bad. Why would he make their business public unless he was trying to shit on Twiztid? He tried to paint himself as a saint, it’s fucking politics. That’s where they are being immature, they are playing the same games that Twiztid is playing just a bit more clever about it. Like Scruffy said, he doesn’t need a two weeks notice and he could have sent that two week notice to Twiztid privately.
just to make twiztid look bad…?
i mean, if thats his goal, surely he coulda did it much earlier, much easier, and with much more sting. frankly, thats true of twiztids lil disses [‘subliminal’, uh huh… some of yall need to look that word up]. like i said before, weakest diss war in rap history…
id say the phrasing ‘knowing that it makes twiztid look bad’ is more apt, if obvious; cuz i mean, he can invoke brotherly love n all, but hed have to be a real sap not to know that he makes twiztid look bad.
He could have done this all privately but he decided to be public about it.
uh, well… you cant privately go public, and going public was the move, per his statement. private, according to him, wasnt workin.
sure, he could be lyin bout that shit, but i kinda doubt it. but hey, heres a question that makes a bigass difference in the interpretation: did twiztid get new phone numbers…? if yes, then whats that say? and if no… whats that say?
Also, I don’t think any Twiztid lyric has been a direct shot at ICP except for Down Here. I just noticed the little jabs taken in the interviews and the rhetoric of how they speak about Psy and ICP. There has always been a bitter element in there, even during their last year on Psy. So I wasn’t being a prophet, I just have common sense, or maybe I’m just more in tuned with that shit than others have been, or maybe some of yall were just in denial.
well, leavin the label in the first place is all the confirmation of that, that anybody needs.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
10:01 pm
February 13, 2015
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Yeah see what scruffy said see.
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10:36 pm
September 18, 2012
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scruffy said
King Lucem Ferre said
What I’ve been saying this whole time. The same people that said Psychopathic was a sinking ship are now the ones saying MNE is a sinking ship. The same people that said ICP are shitty managers that rip people off are the same ones saying Twiztid are being immature kids and big headed.are they? did you check that out?
or, i spose, just happen to remember everybodys opinions on it that well? i sure dont, and i been reading all this stuff long as you have. half the time, i cant tell if a ninja has flipped his position until they say sumn like, ‘i changed my mind.’
Oh, and don’t think for a second that Violent J didn’t post that up just to make Twiztid look bad. Why would he make their business public unless he was trying to shit on Twiztid? He tried to paint himself as a saint, it’s fucking politics. That’s where they are being immature, they are playing the same games that Twiztid is playing just a bit more clever about it. Like Scruffy said, he doesn’t need a two weeks notice and he could have sent that two week notice to Twiztid privately.
just to make twiztid look bad…?
i mean, if thats his goal, surely he coulda did it much earlier, much easier, and with much more sting. frankly, thats true of twiztids lil disses [‘subliminal’, uh huh… some of yall need to look that word up]. like i said before, weakest diss war in rap history…
id say the phrasing ‘knowing that it makes twiztid look bad’ is more apt, if obvious; cuz i mean, he can invoke brotherly love n all, but hed have to be a real sap not to know that he makes twiztid look bad.
He could have done this all privately but he decided to be public about it.
uh, well… you cant privately go public, and going public was the move, per his statement. private, according to him, wasnt workin.
sure, he could be lyin bout that shit, but i kinda doubt it. but hey, heres a question that makes a bigass difference in the interpretation: did twiztid get new phone numbers…? if yes, then whats that say? and if no… whats that say?
Also, I don’t think any Twiztid lyric has been a direct shot at ICP except for Down Here. I just noticed the little jabs taken in the interviews and the rhetoric of how they speak about Psy and ICP. There has always been a bitter element in there, even during their last year on Psy. So I wasn’t being a prophet, I just have common sense, or maybe I’m just more in tuned with that shit than others have been, or maybe some of yall were just in denial.
well, leavin the label in the first place is all the confirmation of that, that anybody needs.
Okay, it may or may not be the same exact people, but just saying this forum had a surge of fuck ICP over petty shit now they are on their fuck Twiztid on petty shit and that their little predictions or assumptions were just spiteful rants.
Yes, just to make Twiztid look bad. It wasn’t a letter to Twiztid, it was a letter to juggalos. That’s why they didn’t send that ultimatum to Twiztid. You really think the guy who’s apparently representing Twiztid would have with held the information of having two weeks to confirm their gathering performance? Fuck no, that’s just naive. And even then, he could have just added a simple statement with out all the details. Could have waited until after the two weeks then posted it up. There were many other ways to handle the situation, this was J retaliating to Monoxide in a much smarter way. This was their little shot back. Could even be J telling Mono to quit trying to provoke the beast. It really drove a lot of people on the fuck Twiztid bandwagon, and even has me thinking they just need to grow up a bit even though I strongly prefer them over ICP. I’m not even hating on it, I’d do the same shit, just saying that they are playing the same games. Also, technically he did publicly apologize now. Just saying. So Twiztid has to accept it and move on or look like punks.
Personally I was hoping that all the shit talk would challenge ICP to try harder rather than start beef. Turn it into a relationship like the one Kanye and Drake have.
10:42 pm
October 30, 2013
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I still say “Down Here” is talking about *Juggalos more than they are ICP in that verse. Because at the time, there were so many people that were choosing sides (or thought they were being asked to) and even people (still do) that think Twiztid are traitors for splitting off. I mean, that’s my interpretation because… I don’t fish fer cow.
But if we’re still gonna analyze that 4th verse and say it illustrates the beef then I guess it should be worth dropping back the end of that verse:
“…But everybody gathered, and they all stood by our side
And that’s the reason we’re never leaving what they’ve designed
Something even greater than anything you can find
And down here is the only place it survives”…
So like we’re all saying anyway, they know better than this shit. They ALL know that the Juggalos are what keeps them alive and while all of ’em may get some pick-up from the outside here and there, that the Juggalos are who they gotta answer to. And I don’t mean that in any kinda Hopsin way sayin’, “We made you! We’re the reason you’re successful! You owe us!” but Twiztid does need a bit of a reality check on THIS one…. We all love ’em (with the exception of a few of you mooks out there), they are always down with the family, they are GOOD (etc); but if they were that fuckin’ good than they would have gotten scooped up a LONG time ago from Psy and onto some other major label and gotten all the press and advantages but they also wouldn’t have what they have NOW after NOT having done all that: respect from the underground. The undying, ever listening fanbase that hasn’t let THEM down… and THAT is why this shit is so very fuckin’ stale and (again) BOTH sides need to fuckin’ man up and apologize to US because in THIS case, yeah… “We made YOU. You owe US!”.
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11:02 pm
April 16, 2014
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scruffy said
anybody ever heard the word ‘zugzwang’?no, it aint syns dick. nice guess, though.
its a chess term. if it is your turn, but the only moves you can make actually weaken your position [and/or help your opponent], youre in zugzwang. [ive also heard it called a squeezeplay]
j just put twiztid in zugzwang. so to speak.
if they thought they were bein clever, he just showed em that clever is good, but its better to be smart.
Ha ha ha, I’ve never heard that term before but that’s awesome. Zugzwang, muddafackoes!
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11:03 pm
February 13, 2015
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I really dont think he was trying to make them look bad. Regardless everything he said they are doing is true. I wouldn’t want him to be vague and fucken political more than he already was. Im glad he was frank. U probably could have been more to the pount and not said how much he had love for them. And im sure psychopathic told MNE he was gonna do this.
Even if they didnt fuck it!! Wtf is twiztid doing
Icp makes money off people likeing twiztid
Say if they make everyone hate twitid. What will that get a twitidless gathering? Or boo and feces filled performance? Or them back on psy? Wich one of these stupid fucken options do they want?
Dude gave it to us strait and some people cant take it.
No more buts. No buts. “But but but they…”
Im over it.
I dont see how anyone could so much out their way to make this an this is all on icp and a scheme thing.
Whatever. I still like twiztid.
Like my friend once told me concerning an old group of friends “just cuz u fuck with them dont mean u gotta fuck with them right now u know?”
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11:04 pm
August 8, 2012
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I know that blaze has nothing to do with this.. so if he doesn’t show up then he is a worthless scumbag piece of shit faggot cock sucking asshole with no balls to make his own decision
11:09 pm
December 3, 2012
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How sad is it that this drama is what piqued my interest back into the forum? ive been talking shit about twiztid here but i just wanna reiterate that i still think they make dope music
Also @lucky icp planting seeds is the reason this thread exists in the first place. J HAD to know wed be talking about this .
id be very surprised if members of both parties didnt read througb this thread. This is the online juggalo mecca, like it or not
Edit for more drunken misspelling.
Edit edit cuz i caint spell gud
There's a gateway in our minds
That leads somewhere out there, far beyond this plane
Where reptile aliens made of light
Cut you open and pull out all your pain
Sturgill Simpson- Turtles All The Way Down
11:35 pm
September 18, 2012
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Slumerican502 said
icp planting seeds is the reason this thread exists in the first place. J HAD to know wed be talking about this .
Exactly.
11:36 pm
September 18, 2012
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OCJ, you hear that new Bloodstepp album?
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11:45 pm
September 18, 2012
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If he was showing us the fruit then we’d know the real reasons why most of Psy left. We’d know the whole story on why they all seem so bitter towards Psy, because they sure as fuck weren’t always that bitter.
So no, they are just seeds.
11:47 pm
July 6, 2014
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bayAreaShaman said
…Like my friend once told me concerning an old group of friends “just cuz u fuck with them dont mean u gotta fuck with them right now u know?”
I love that! Just sayin.
11:52 pm
September 18, 2012
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JC said
bayAreaShaman said
…Like my friend once told me concerning an old group of friends “just cuz u fuck with them dont mean u gotta fuck with them right now u know?”
I love that! Just sayin.
I agree.
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