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June 12, 2016
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Mr. Tidwell said

Shut the fuck up you hate filled piece of shit.

Nobody said anything about banning free speech. You are as delusional and paranoid as smack.

I do not have patience for your horse shit today. Your vocally homophobic and transphobic remarks make you an accomplice and i hope you fucking feel a world of guilt.

You egg people on with your flagrant, never ending bigotry. You make other bigots feel safe. You make them feel justified. You demonize and dehumanize people who are different and then someone takes their lives and you’re worried about an imaginary witch hunt against language? You’re a remarkably disgusting piece of shit.   

Shit like this is why I just can’t like you, Rob. Which really is a bummer to me. 

I recognize that you mean well and that, in the end, all you want to do is make the world better but shit like ^that^ isn’t how you do it. In fact, speaking solely for myself, all shit like that does is make me want to use more offensive language because you remind me that offensive language has a purpose. And it’s to make people like you uncomfortable.

As someone that cares so passionately about how we use speech and the impact it has on others, you sure are quick to mislabel, name call, and outright dismiss people that have an opinion that’s different than yours. But I’ve told you this before and you’ve called me a “bigot” for it before and you don’t budge an inch so rant over I guess. Just needed to vent and use this as a soapbox. Basically, fuck you for being so close-minded, Rob. Fuck you against your will with the decayed genitals of every single, straight, bisexual, homosexual, asexual, black, white, brown, red, yellow, orange, pink, cismale, cisfemale, transmale, and transfemale that has ever died defending those that you are so quick to dismiss. Okay….now my rants over. Christ, man. Got me feeling all patriotic and shit.

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CellE2057 said

Shit like this is why I just can’t like you, Rob. Which really is a bummer to me. 

I recognize that you mean well and that, in the end, all you want to do is make the world better but shit like ^that^ isn’t how you do it. In fact, speaking solely for myself, all shit like that does is make me want to use more offensive language because you remind me that offensive language has a purpose. And it’s to make people like you uncomfortable.

As someone that cares so passionately about how we use speech and the impact it has on others, you sure are quick to mislabel, name call, and outright dismiss people that have an opinion that’s different than yours. But I’ve told you this before and you’ve called me a “bigot” for it before and you don’t budge an inch so rant over I guess. Just needed to vent and use this as a soapbox. Basically, fuck you for being so close-minded, Rob. Fuck you against your will with the decayed genitals of every single, straight, bisexual, homosexual, asexual, black, white, brown, red, yellow, orange, pink, cismale, cisfemale, transmale, and transfemale that has ever died defending those that you are so quick to dismiss. Okay….now my rants over. Christ, man. Got me feeling all patriotic and shit.  

as much as it pains me to say it, Rob does this everytime. when he starts losing an argument he loses his shit and starts accusing people of bigotry. Its all very faggoty.

And not in the homosexual way. in the  way that closed minded PC vigilantes get when people dont bend to their will.

 

I look forward to the footage of krunk fucking rob up at the gathering this year. thats a fight id pay to see.weed

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I just dont get it. They both spew at the mouth. 

Both know they are going about it all wrong. 

Even if one has a point it wont get across. 

I just dont see the difference. 

I dont get why one would get special treatment.

Ur a bigot = your takeing my free speech. 

Both wrong and right. I dont get u guys. 

I refuse to believe its a white thing. Even tho it must play a part. 

They both spew shit and hide under a blanket of whatever they are defending. Free speach gays what ever. 

Nothing wrong with that. 

I also believe u guys already know tidwell us tvtrying to make laws about taking ur freespeach away. But still pretend like he is.

I just smell bullshit. 

I dont see how one is worse than the other. 

If i had to choose only one. Like black and white. I would choose shouting bigot instead of shouting let them talk at a kkk rally.

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Mr. Tidwell said

Shut the fuck up you hate filled piece of shit.

Nobody said anything about banning free speech. You are as delusional and paranoid as smack.

I do not have patience for your horse shit today. Your vocally homophobic and transphobic remarks make you an accomplice and i hope you fucking feel a world of guilt.

You egg people on with your flagrant, never ending bigotry. You make other bigots feel safe. You make them feel justified. You demonize and dehumanize people who are different and then someone takes their lives and you’re worried about an imaginary witch hunt against language? You’re a remarkably disgusting piece of shit.   

Here’s some real, repulsive bigotry for those interested (besides what I just quoted above.)

YouTube Video Gays Must Die Says Speaker At Orlando Mosque – WFTV 9 Orlando Report 

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bayAreaShaman said   
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I refuse to believe its a white thing. Even tho it must play a part.   
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its a white thing. 

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

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scruffy said

bayAreaShaman said   
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I refuse to believe its a white thing. Even tho it must play a part.   
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its a white thing.   

Well fuck.

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Mr. Tidwell said 

This is what homophobic and transphobic language leads to. …

Mr. Tidwell said

Shut the fuck up you hate filled piece of shit.

Nobody said anything about banning free speech. You are as delusional and paranoid as smack.

I do not have patience for your horse shit today. Your vocally homophobic and transphobic remarks make you an accomplice and i hope you fucking feel a world of guilt.

You egg people on with your flagrant, never ending bigotry. You make other bigots feel safe. You make them feel justified. You demonize and dehumanize people who are different and then someone takes their lives and you’re worried about an imaginary witch hunt against language? You’re a remarkably disgusting piece of shit.   

 @robtidwell , What does that kind of language lead to?  Calling someone a disgusting piece of shit is hateful too.

And yes, you did not and have not mentioned banning free speech. ( I actually went through your past posts in many threads and saw you have repeated stated that free speech should NOT be banned ) I think what is occurring is that we are grouping you into a category of people who have similar ideas as you but are into banning free speech even though you are not. Yes, that is an argument fallacy that we have fallen into. Despite my love of logical argumentative discourse, I too slip into the easy “fallacy” arguments without realizing it and need to be reminded of it. I think the best method is through a calm reminder of it since direct attacks leads naturally to a defensive stance against each other which shuts down all civil discourse. All of us in this are guilty of it but it need not be the case.

And again, neither one of us is homophobic or transphobic. If you knew us and the life we live you would see the absurdity of such a statement. Many things we post are videos or articles from someone else who is showing a contrary belief. I really hope you don’t honestly think we agree with these things. To prevent the “echo chamber” effect on the forum, devil advocacy is necessary to bring the contrary viewpoints to light. Some of the stuff we post we would never agree with. “Gays Must Die Says Speaker At Orlando Mosque” is a good example. That is an appalling view that some people have and while we completely disagree with such a statement, it shows what views exist out there. It opens it up to discussion and, in most cases, shows the absurdity of such views. We would never want what is advocated in that video since that would exterminate half our friends. Maybe it is my philosophical beliefs but I believe bringing darkness to light abolishes the darkness. I believe any hindrance to that hurts progression.

The truth is we don’t see anyone as different than us. We don’t want bigots to feel safe. But we also don’t want them to feel unsafe. They have the right to have their point of view expressed if for no other reason than to have their ideas logically analyzed and shown for what they are, whatever that may be. Bigots can become the best champions for equality when they make a change in mindset towards acceptance instead of hatred since they have lived though the mental progression from what they were to what they have become.

While it is easy to place the blame outside of myself for the toxicity that exists between us, I think we are all guilty in this due to complete misunderstanding of motive and mindset. I have found this to be typical when liberals and conservatives attempt to parley. It really does not need to be this way.

I have been called magnanimous on this forum before and this post may or may not be that, but understand that someone calling my wife a piece of shit did make me furious for a moment to the point of imagining violence. But that would do no one any good. I decided to look through your posts to find “proof” of what I falsely remembered as you repeatedly wanting to ban free speech and I could not find any. In fact, all I could find was you repeated saying that free speech should NOT be banned. That calmed me down a bit. I let myself calm down more over the morning before posting this so as not to jump back into anger which generally means that logic and reason fly out the window.

This post is getting too long to read so I’ll end it here. Let’s see what we can do to bring the civility back to the forum all around.

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bayAreaShaman said
I just dont get it. They both spew at the mouth. 

Both know they are going about it all wrong. 

Even if one has a point it wont get across. 

I just dont see the difference. 

I dont get why one would get special treatment.

Ur a bigot = your takeing my free speech. 

Both wrong and right. I dont get u guys. 

I refuse to believe its a white thing. Even tho it must play a part. 

They both spew shit and hide under a blanket of whatever they are defending. Free speach gays what ever. 

Nothing wrong with that. 

I also believe u guys already know tidwell us tvtrying to make laws about taking ur freespeach away. But still pretend like he is.

I just smell bullshit. 

I dont see how one is worse than the other. 

If i had to choose only one. Like black and white. I would choose shouting bigot instead of shouting let them talk at a kkk rally.  

Whenever an argument turns into a screaming match, it usually doesn’t get solved. Just as a general rule of life. Or if it does get resolved it immediately starts to boil over again because one side feels like they should have said that one more thing. 

I don’t think Rob is trying to bring government into what people can and cannot say. In fact, he’s repeated that multiple times now. I do think, because he’s said it multiple times now, that he is more than okay with going out of his way to silence people and mock them because of their beliefs while judging anyone that does the same. Which is the reason for my little ranty bit.

You cannot say that people should feel safe and express their views while simultaneously trying to stifle any views that you disagree with ya know? That’s just saying you want everyone you agree with to be able to say what they want. Which isn’t how learning works lol. You can either accept all of it (I want the KKK to be allowed to say their ignorant, bigot shit because I want them out in the open, where everyone can see them and know who they are) or none of it (which has proven throughout history to be a very dangerous thing). 

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chill, tidwell. 

and krunk…  this is the second time, at least, that youve used actual dead humans as a toy club to whack tidwell with. 

im not surprised that smack thinks fifty dead americans is a joke, but im disappointed that you would stoop to using it as a political tool.  obviously, most of the jerkoff politicians out there will do the same, but theyre jerkoff politicians, and they will use the issue for political purposes.  youre just slammin a forum member, and it aint even one of the bastards. 

hella cheap.   

He blames speech for violent actions:

Mr. Tidwell said 
…This is what homophobic and transphobic language leads to…

I wholeheartedly disagree. I suggest owning your own disappointment, Scruffy, & I’ll say it again. If I wanted a big brother I’d rent one.

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[the big thing above]

as a practiced and well-seasoned devils advocate, i get what youre saying. 

at the same time, i am not the devil.  so, there are a very large number of cases i wont even consider taking, no matter how ridiculous the plaintiff is.  devil can defend his fuckin self, too. 

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I have been called magnanimous on this forum before and this post may or may not be that, but understand that someone calling my wife a piece of shit did make me furious for a moment to the point of imagining violence.

hahahaheeheehahawoohoohoo!  heh. 

seriously, though, thats not good.  but, props for letting that stoic pacifism crack juuust a tiny bit.  bravo. 

by the way, violence ≠ terrorism.  one could easily make the argument that ‘terrorism’ is a subset of ‘violence’ [which i disagree with, but its a fair argument], but other than that…  nope. 

there are many situations where violence is not only acceptable, but called for. 

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Whenever an argument turns into a screaming match, it usually doesn’t get solved. Just as a general rule of life.

well, yeah. 

You can either accept all of it (I want the KKK to be allowed to say their ignorant, bigot shit because I want them out in the open, where everyone can see them and know who they are) or none of it (which has proven throughout history to be a very dangerous thing).   

no, not so.  everything is relative.  we do not have to commit to either extreme… and we shouldnt.  

there are no absolute truths.  that is absolutely true. 

 

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He blames speech for violent actions:   

Mr. Tidwell said 
…This is what homophobic and transphobic language leads to…

I wholeheartedly disagree. 

yeah, i noticed. 

I suggest owning your own disappointment, Scruffy,

eh, i was a lil overboard, upon reflection. 

but i still interpret it as:  tidwell said something/anything, and you were quick to bash him, because the important thing is to bash him. 

how it looked then, how it looks now. 

& I’ll say it again. If I wanted a big brother I’d rent one.  

so, what, i should voluntarily restrict my speech, cuz you dont wanna hear it? 

i aint tryin to be big brother.  coulda just said, ‘damn, that was some bitch shit to say’.  but honestly, thats more what i shoulda said to tidwell.  what you said wasnt so much bitch shit as it was, a la my previous statement, cheap. 

 

hey, tidwell.  that was some bitch shit to say.  just puttin that out there, so nobody gets itchy. 

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

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So everyone can say whatever they want but not tidwell? 

This is all hella booty blood. Im out.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoLPLsQbdt0  

He took decades to build his career and seconds to tear it all down. Free speech prevails. It lets people see it all out in the open and make the decision of him for themselves. I know this is not the case, but imagine if it was illegal for him to say that. We would never know his racial tendencies.

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scruffy said

no, not so.  everything is relative.  we do not have to commit to either extreme… and we shouldnt.  

there are no absolute truths.  that is absolutely true. 

 

krunkazphuk said 
He blames speech for violent actions:   

Mr. Tidwell said 
…This is what homophobic and transphobic language leads to…

I wholeheartedly disagree. 

yeah, i noticed. 

I suggest owning your own disappointment, Scruffy,

eh, i was a lil overboard, upon reflection. 

but i still interpret it as:  tidwell said something/anything, and you were quick to bash him, because the important thing is to bash him. 

how it looked then, how it looks now. 

& I’ll say it again. If I wanted a big brother I’d rent one.  

so, what, i should voluntarily restrict my speech, cuz you dont wanna hear it? 

i aint tryin to be big brother.  coulda just said, ‘damn, that was some bitch shit to say’.  but honestly, thats more what i shoulda said to tidwell.  what you said wasnt so much bitch shit as it was, a la my previous statement, cheap. 

 

hey, tidwell.  that was some bitch shit to say.  just puttin that out there, so nobody gets itchy.   

Say what you like; rap it into a mic. Don’t like ur batshit, I think it’s fascist…

f-u

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bayAreaShaman said
So everyone can say whatever they want but not tidwell? 

This is all hella booty blood. Im out.  

Hope not. I’ve encouraged him to keep typing.

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bayAreaShaman said
So everyone can say whatever they want but not tidwell? 

This is all hella booty blood. Im out.  

 @bayareashaman  Not at all. As I have correctly pointed out, @robtidwell has said many times that he is for free speech and since he grants it to me, I am inclined to do the same. I disagree with some of his ideas of speech but his views on speech freedom leave us within a small section of common ground with which I think will be enough.

Anyway, a more civil relation is on the horizon. I am sure there will be disagreements but Rob will always be free to speak his mind.

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If an argument occurs at the meet up I hope it will be undermined by a nice glass of cold faygo and a cool breeze and everybody just chiiill. 

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If an argument occurs at the meet up I hope it will be undermined by a nice glass of cold faygo and a cool breeze and everybody just chiiill.     

if an argument [ideological] occurs at the meetup, we are stupid for talkin about ideological shit to begin with. 

if an argument [belligerent] occurs at the meetup, probably one or more people is lookin to get thumped.  real unwise place and time to pick a fight. 

 

[edit]  sp. 

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

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if krunk and tidwell do end up scrapping my money is on krunk and somebody better get that shit on film.  

Not gonna happen. I’m guessing that Rob spends most of his vacation screaming at a Voodoo doll he fashions from his own filth.

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cmon. 

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

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So speaking of chicks making out… back when my fiancee and myself very first met each other (like the first week) I wound up at a house party making out with this girl. Nothing else happened and I saw her at parties on and off again, but nothing more as I had become “official” with my then new girlfriend (now fiancee). Well at one point I told her about the last girl I kissed being in the first week we had met and while not at all mad, she continues till this day to break my balls and use it against me when she’s talkin shit.

Fast forward 6+ years to a house party I wound up at with my fiancee this past Saturday. Who’s there, but the same chick from back in the day. Now my lady has no idea this is the same girl. We catch up and what not and her and my fiancee hit it off. Turns out she’s in to ICP & Twiztid and while not a full juggalette has gone to a couple shows since we last kicked it. Anyhoo… fast forward a few hours into the party after the liquor has been flowing and who are shoving their tounges down each other’s throats, yup, my fiancee and and the last girl who I kissed years ago and still get my balls broken for it.

Ironic = Yes, Funny = Extremely.

I’ve yet to tell my soon to be wife as I’m saving for the perfect moment. They also exchanged contact information so before I go blowin it, there’s a chance I’m coming back with a better story cool

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