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DISCUSSION: Twiztid Declining the DC march
January 4, 2017
8:58 pm
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Noah Fence said
That’s my point. They want us to see who is to blame. They want us upset at whoever doesn’t come.  

the yack that we are yackin is substantially the same as what we would be yackin either way. 

the difference is, psy gets it cut and dried, from them, the decliners. 

they think that by having us know, the artists they talk to have to be real with it, no slither room.  [at least, i think thats what they think, and im not prepared to dig very far into their motives just based on a list and a handful of ‘i saw on twitter’s.] 

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

January 4, 2017
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An Entertaining Visual Aide as Political Cartoon

In this clip, Juggalos are played by Bill Murray. Psychopathic Records and Magik Ninja Entertainment are played by Steve Martin.

Enjoy.

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January 4, 2017
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Cheshyr said
An Entertaining Visual Aide as Political Cartoon

In this clip, Juggalos are played by Bill Murray. Psychopathic Records and Magik Ninja Entertainment are played by Steve Martin.

Enjoy.

  

Fuck, this is such a good movie. But yeah, I concur.

January 4, 2017
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For me this is Twiztid saying… “we will take your money on Juggalo day but don’t expect us to do free shows for you”. 

Saves me money though.  I was gonna go for my 30th birthday gift since I was born around that date but instead I cancelled my MNE orders and spent my money elsewhere. 

I am not marching for a family that doesn’t exist anymore. 

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January 4, 2017
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Again, didn’t they play the gathering for free?

January 4, 2017
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Wow.  Regardless of what you think of the idea of the march, it’s been clear for a while that this is really important to PSY, they’re worried about not being able to pull it off, etc.  For MNE to decline collectively as a label can’t be interpreted as anything other than a slap in the face.  People can debate about who’s right- for sure Twiztid owes everything they have to ICP.  At the same time you could say that PSY is trying to strongarm people into participating in kind of a bullshit way- everyone who they invited is supposed to organize their tour and recording schedules around this event or else be publically shamed?  J kinda took the same tactic in the Hatchet Herald when Twiztid wasn’t returning his phone calls right away last year, and I can imagine that’s gonna grate on people.  Either way though, there’s no denying that MNE flat out declining is a big deal.   

Unless it’s all a conspiracy, or just an instinct for publicity on both sides, and they’re all gonna kiss and make up before next fall… 

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January 4, 2017
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King Lucem Ferre said
Again, didn’t they play the gathering for free?  

What? Are you one of those guys that truly thinks no money is made at a gathering? 

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January 4, 2017
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Nyro said

What? Are you one of those guys that truly thinks no money is made at a gathering?   

Fucking Nyro.

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January 4, 2017
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Nyro said
For me this is Twiztid saying… “we will take your money on Juggalo day but don’t expect us to do free shows for you”. 

Saves me money though.  I was gonna go for my 30th birthday gift since I was born around that date but instead I cancelled my MNE orders and spent my money elsewhere. 

I am not marching for a family that doesn’t exist anymore.   

 

so you’re going to un-remember millions of lyrics in your head by Twiztid, Blaze, ROC etc. because of this?   :D

January 4, 2017
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King Lucem Ferre said

Fucking Nyro.  

I mean the way the hawked merch. Tell me they took a hit and I will show you one dumb motherfucker. 

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so you’re going to un-remember millions of lyrics in your head by Twiztid, Blaze, ROC etc. because of this?   :D  

Well since they have always been at the lower half of my Juggalo artist list… Not a secret what my answer will be is it?  Every idiot in this forum could call that one man. 

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January 4, 2017
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Also just kidding I am marching anyways.  Fuck Twiztid. 

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January 4, 2017
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They showed up for free. And gave away free music. Defeats the theory they only do shit for money. Oh, and they have those concerts they used to do for free then started charging a dollar for.

Maybe Scruffy is right, Juggalos just bitch when shit isn’t free.

January 4, 2017
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King Lucem Ferre said
They showed up for free. And gave away free music. Defeats the theory they only do shit for money. Oh, and they have those concerts they used to do for free then started charging a dollar for.

Maybe Scruffy is right, Juggalos just bitch when shit isn’t free.  

So why not do it?  

You are talking about a fan base you owe…. Yes I said “owe” if it weren’t for Juggalo they would still be sicking some fat kid that lives in his moms basement cock just to get their shit mixed. 

Juggalos gave them that life with their loyalty and cash. This is the most important thing they could ever do for us yet they decline?  Why? 

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January 4, 2017
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That’s my point. They want us to see who is to blame. They want us upset at whoever doesn’t come.  

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that.  If it wasn’t public or they waited until closer to the march, there would definitely be people like “Oh I really wish I could go, sucks I can’t because of xyz.”  This way it’s clear who is down for us/this and who isn’t, and no one can use lame excuses to get past that.  They have to be upfront about it and just say that they are declining- Juggalos can decide how to react to that.  

January 4, 2017
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Nyro said

So why not do it?  

Maybe, like half of the juggalos out there, they think the whole march idea in general is a bad idea.

You are talking about a fan base you owe…. Yes I said “owe” if it weren’t for Juggalo they would still be sicking some fat kid that lives in his moms basement cock just to get their shit mixed. 

I don’t think you understand how it works. They make music, you buy music if you like it. Loyalty to buying the music comes from consistently putting out good music. The relationship isn’t based on them bending over backwards to suck every juggalos cock. That’s selfish on the juggalos part to expect that.

Juggalos gave them that life with their loyalty and cash. This is the most important thing they could ever do for us yet they decline?  Why?   

Yes they did decline. I don’t know why, but I assure you jumping the gun and saying they turned their back on you, or straight up pulling out the shitty idea that it’s because they aren’t getting paid despite all the free shit they have provided that nobody is entitled to, is not the way to go. I’m sure they have a reason that’s not as malicious towards juggalos as you think. And the whole thing circles back to what you think is going to be accomplished by the march or what is going to change the march as far as who attends the stupid ass free concert at the end that’s really going to make it look more like celebratory party than an actual political rally.

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January 4, 2017
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I wouldn’t be that

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Unless it’s all a conspiracy, or just an instinct for publicity on both sides, and they’re all gonna kiss and make up before next fall…   

For instance, if Twiztid were to show up on PSY radio tomorrow… just speculatin ;)

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January 4, 2017
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I wouldn’t be that

For instance, if Twiztid were to show up on PSY radio tomorrow… just speculatin ;)  

I feel like there is bubbling animosity on both sides and we are going to see it explode before that happens.

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I think you got it wrong on how they make money.  2k of the merch I purchased last year was of artists I don’t like just to show love. 

I am pretty sure a lot of juggalos buy stuff from artists that are not their favorite just to show support. 

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Nyro said
I think you got it wrong on how they make money.  2k of the merch I purchased last year was of artists I don’t like just to show love. 

I am pretty sure a lot of juggalos buy stuff from artists that are not their favorite just to show support.   

Just because you’re a blind follower doesn’t mean they all are. Plus, like I’ve mentioned before, if they were wack they would have fallen off. Like R.O.C. You know that dude is not making a living off of music so no they don’t make most of their money off of sheep.

January 4, 2017
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Why would you buy merch from shitty artists? I barely even buy it from artists I like. 

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