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April 14, 2016
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Mr. Tidwell said

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one of my bestest buddies in the world is black and I call him a nigger to his face not nigga niggERRRRRRRRRR he does not get offended at all and he prefers to be called a nigger than an  African American if you were to call him an African America he would go balistic on you and point out the fact that he’s fucking Jamaican and Canadian and call you an ignorant fuck.

althoe when I do call him a nigger it’s always in a joking manner and since we go back 30 plus years it’s cool I would not recommend calling black people niggers unless your close with them and they know its done as a joke and if its in the right context.

Quintin tarantino uses that word a helluva lot in his movies try and do a drinking game to Django or hatefull 8 take a shot everytime you hear the word nigger you would be unconsious within 20 minutes does that make Tarantno a racist???

hulk hogan ranted privatly saying he does not want his daughter to hook up with a nigger unless it was a nigger in the NBA who made 100 million a year and that got him fired by WWE and it was also a reason he was just awarded 100+ million dollars because the leak of that tape damaged his career because of idiots like you rob tidwell

dozens and dozens of black men came to his defence including George Foreman,Mr T, Mike Tyson and like every black wrestler ever said in no way is Hulk a racist.

as for the people who are ashamed to be white and how you say there are none just google Rachel Dolezal

rob I think your just a whiney bitch on these forums and just like to start shit by defending and pointing out useless bullshit you want to be the defender of all minorities especialy the fags and trannies and bronies and furry’s and the they’s let me guess your a fucking feminist too?? you think its ok for women to walk around topless and think its wrong for men to stare at their tits at the same time??

well guess what if i see a topless girl buying a box of grape nuts at the grocery store im going to look because when do you ever see topless women buying grape nuts at the grocery store? feminists are girls who have penis envy the the male feminists wish they could experience child birth fuck the feminists they are dumb as shit.

Smack, nice try but you are the scum of the earth and if my not being a bigot bothers you, then I’m literally doing something right. You are a disgusting, vile human, who makes me weep for humanity.

I do not think you have any black friends. I do not think you have any friends. You are an awful, miserable, lying, manipulative ass cry baby.

Using racial slurs in certain contexts in a giant clue though to how a person feels. Hulk wasn’t calling his good friend a word that they both agree to laugh about. He was saying he doesn’t want his daughter to date a black man, and used a racial slur which is indicative of how he views black men. He is a racist because he thinks black people aren’t worthy of his daughter. Period.

No number of people who defend him will ever change what is in his heart.

This is hugely different from Tarantino writing a racist character who uses the slurs to disparage other characters in the movie, or a white actor saying those lines. The fact that you can’t tell the difference is yet again another display of your selective brain functions and how delusional you are about the world around you. 

I come here because there are a few select people who aren’t bigoted assholes. You and Krunk ruin this place, though. You taint it with your miserable, racist, homophobic, sexist, classist world views. You bigot pieces of shit make me not want to come around anymore. You’re miserable people who want a safe space for your bigotry and the second anybody tries to say anything about it, you throw a tantrum. Both of you. Crybaby fucking little ass children, mad that your safe space was violated.

A dope ass young juggalo tried to come here and make friends and you chased them off because their gender was too much for you. You couldn’t even be bothered to treat someone who was just looking to fucking belong just like the rest of us, with common fucking decency. 

You and your bigot asses are the reason this place goes stale. The reason the only time theres any action around here is when theres a fight because you’ve chased off anybody who dares talk back or challenges you to grow.

You wanna talk about whiney ass little fucking crybabies? You’re the one who holds this entire fucking website hostage every time something doesn’t go your way. You should have been banned multiple times but you cry like a little fucking child and people go easy on you because they think you have nothing else in your life that provides you any fucking comfort.

You’re weak, hollow, mindless, cowardly little children. 

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@robtidwell , I don’t think she is saying she has “white guilt”, I think she is saying fuck white guilt.

I think you misunderstood. I said her bigot ass uses “white guilt” so that she doesn’t have to feel bad for her racist ass bullshit. It makes the world safe for her bigotry so she doesn’t have to worry about changing or growing. It makes racism an imaginary boogieman that people need to get over rather than a real world consequence for people of color. It means instead of being introspective and saying “shit, I did something racist I should learn to not do that,” she can say “fucking black people take shit too seriously.”

Personally, I don’t understand racial references at all. Everything from saying “white guilt” to “black lives matter” is racist. It is segregation of humans based on “race”. Race is a social construct, nothing else. I do not play into thinking that race is real nor will I support racial differentiation. Scientifically, the percentage of the genome that determines skin color is less than the percentage that determines height. So instead of being caught up on something little like skin color, maybe being prejudice about peoples height would make more sense. *looks suspiciously at @scruffy towering over people*:P  JK.

Saying black lives matter isn’t racist because you’re saying that people should stop killing black people. saying I have white guilt and that’s the only reason I care about the civil rights of minorities is racist because it cuts down any discussion of race to benefit racist people.

I am glad to see more people coming out and calling bullshit on the whole PC thing. The so called “social justice warriors” that have a problem with words are being fascist by trying to restrict speech.

It isn’t fascist to acknowledge the way language is used to oppress people. If you’re using words that are oppressive, you’re being oppressive and you need to change and grow. It isn’t that fucking hard to not call people faggot or nigger. I do it literally every fucking day without even trying. Grow the fuck up and stop being willfully belligerent to people who are different from you. Boo fucking hoo you have to stop being racist life must be so fucking hard for you and your fucking empty headed colleagues. 

While I may not like what someone says or agree with them, I would never attempt to stop words from being said. They are just words and I am not going to support victim culture buy coddling someone who could choose to be strong and above words but are being told by the PC police that they are victims of micro-aggressions or whatever. Be strong and see words for what they are. Words are not an attack unless the RECIPENT decides to give them inflated power.

If words aren’t an attack then why do bigot assholes get so mad when they get called a bigot? Why do you care what words I say if words are nothing? Are you being a victim? Stop expecting me to coddle you and not point out your bigotry. I refuse to coddle fucking weak minded, miserable, hateful pieces of shit.

But none of this really matters cause it’s coming from me who many people say is a bigot because I refuse to treat anyone of any skin color, sexual orientation, gender, or social economic status as different from anyone else. That is something I completely don’t understand.

That’s a fantastic position, too bad you don’t live up to it because you’d rather make a safe space for bigotry than to make a safe space for diverse peoples.

I’m not hiding my head in the sand to the oppression that people experience who say they are in marginalized subsections of humanity. I acknowledge that it exists and should not.

Wishing it away won’t do anything. Confront it if you don’t want it to exist.

But I will not support segregation by defending or fighting for anyone who thinks they are in societal constructed division. I will only act with equality to all. No one is special. That’s what And that makes me a bigot. I claim all live matter and get labeled as racist for going against black lives matter. If someone wants to claim to be black then I will not stop them but they are still humans and are included in my “all” and I will not change my all inclusive view to cater to someone else’s shortsitedness of what “all” means.

Nobody started saying All Lives Matter until black people started saying Hey, We Matter TOO. Nobody said All Lives Matter until a kid was killed by a cop and was left on the street for hours and black people said “This Life Mattered, TOO”. 

All Lives Matter is racist when it is used to silence someone saying that black lives matter. Saying that All Lives Matter is a silencing technique used to stop people from talking about the way people are being murdered by racism.

You acknowledge that Race is a social construct but you deny the impact society can have on someone who is confined to the constructed minority. Race is a social construct but society permeates our existence and pretending like something that is socially contrived doesn’t mean it isn’t real. Money is a social construct and you can bet your ass that it’s real.

Nobody cares if you’re a bigot. Everybody has bigotries. Everybody lives in a bigoted society. What matters is how we address our bigotries. Do we give in and perpetuate them or do we challenge them, in ourselves and in the people around us?

Fuck you, Rob. Rather than saying “thank you” for health information that might add years to your life you choose to keep throwing misinformed, politicized tantrums. Guess I’ll keep ruining the place with critical thinking. Race, skin color, etc. don’t matter, and you constantly bringing them up makes you a regressive bigot. I’m hoping for some satire at GOTJ, so here’s some non-PC stuff for you to chew on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecJUqhm2g08

YouTube Video Feminists Love Islamists 

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April 14, 2016
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Go rob! Down with weird racist educated Texan hippies!

She trolling. Not everyone knows that. Im sure u do rob. 

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Not trolling; presenting a differing point of view. Have they been proven to cause cancer in California or did I just dream it?

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Yes.

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April 14, 2016
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I’m bumpin this since u just tried to shame my years spent sweating over science textbooks (#DarkAges?)

…obesity may cause hormonal changes in men as fat metabolizes testosterone into estrogen. “An enzyme in fat tissue known as aromatase converts testosterone into estradiol, the major estrogen in humans.”

http://www.lifeextension.com/m…..en/Page-01

Here’s to less whining at GOTJ!

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Racist hippie race war! How fresh.

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April 14, 2016
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Oooo gurl dont preten we were able to see ur bikinie bottoms last year. 

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April 14, 2016
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Political correctness is bullshit. You cant get rid of racist assholes by simply making what are basically “Language Rules”. As a fan of ICP I gotta take some shit talking. But those folks have a right to talk that shit. Just like I have tha right to call them what I feel may hurt them tha most. Like calling them a faggot. Im cool as fuck with gay folks. But faggot is a powerful word that’s gonna get my point across better than other words I could use. This is an uphill battle I know.

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bayAreaShaman said
Oooo gurl dont preten we were able to see ur bikinie bottoms last year. 

And at Hogrock I was naked in the forest. Good times. I’ll speculate more nudity at the GOTJ.

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I agree dude. But i myself would never command u to stop saying something. But i would talk to u untill (if i have the energy) untill something happends.

U have to realise in turn ur commanding someone to shut up. Like shut up dont tell me to shut up. That to me throws everything out the window. Ur telling me to stop saying things cuz i told u to stop saying things?

The term P.C. is used and bent to form opinions.

Im not P.C. not by far.

Do calling someone a nigger is ok? No. Will i put a gun to ur head and comand you? Lol no. I actually like free speach. Regardless of what my southern hippie brithers and sister might say.

People have racist reactions we all do. If u start telling me ur some enlighten creature who has over come ur humanly urges than u can suck the brownest vienest part of my unceromcised shaman dick.

I still say nigga but i try not to. I cant remeber a time i didnt say nigga or “man” or “dude” i grew up in a real ghetto. Where being diffrent got u hurt.

P.C argument dont overshadow bullshit. And niether does useing words to explain ur misplaced hatred and agression 

Clumping people like me in rob in a nice little box with a cute bow like that makes this bitches day much easyer.

U dont gotta look at urself. U already explained urself. 

So what about u i am not giving u an order to stop calling me a nigger. But i dont want u to do it cuz of this and this and this. Keep doing it ill kick ur ass.

That right there is acting like a nazi. Im beating u up so u shut up and i dont agree with u. But i belive to live for a reason is to fight for a reason. 

If thats P.C well ur dumb.

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No one even talked shit about tommy lee sparta…..

Fucken bomboclat.

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bayAreaShaman said  
 
…Clumping people like me in rob in a nice little box with a cute bow like that makes this bitches day much easyer…
 

Urban Dictionary to the rescue:

cry bully. Someone who uses the perceived righteousness of a social justice cause as a pretext to abuse others, and then plays the victim when confronted …”

I hope KMFDM storms the GOTJ with megaphones. And maybe Tasers.

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Idk if the clowns ever performed “the greatest show” live but i want to start a petition to have icp open to this song at the gathering. That song is soooo fuckin live idk y they dont open to that song all the time. And not just a snippet of the song i wanna hear the full song live as the opener.

ICP sang the Oddities version several times in the WWF.

Fuck da oddities version

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@robtidwell , Wow…. Let’s talk!

Mr. Tidwell said 
Saying black lives matter isn’t racist because you’re saying that people should stop killing black people. saying I have white guilt and that’s the only reason I care about the civil rights of minorities is racist because it cuts down any discussion of race to benefit racist people.

I, personally, never said you have white guilt. I don’t make distinctions of anyone based on skin color. To think in terms of race is by definition racist. I do not discuss race in that context. I made it a point to say it doesn’t matter. If it matters to someone… then that is within the definition of racist.

Mr. Tidwell said 
It isn’t fascist to acknowledge the way language is used to oppress people. If you’re using words that are oppressive, you’re being oppressive and you need to change and grow. It isn’t that fucking hard to not call people faggot or nigger. I do it literally every fucking day without even trying. Grow the fuck up and stop being willfully belligerent to people who are different from you. Boo fucking hoo you have to stop being racist life must be so fucking hard for you and your fucking empty headed colleagues. 

I didn’t say it was fascist to “acknowledge” anything. I am talking about the restricting of speech. And you really have to explain to me how words can oppress. They are sound waves. They can’t oppress. Again, only the recipient gives them meaning for themselves. And if you could please find where I have called someone a faggot or nigger, ever, please show me. I can’t recall every saying anything that was racist. I have said something that you considered trans-phobic once and I have made a point to not use the term again. It wasn’t trans-phobic though. It wasn’t a fear – the meaning of phobic. It was me not knowing what the correct PC term for something was this year. It will probably happen again since the terms constantly change. And I don’t see how I can stop being racist when I absolutely do not see race. If you want to use the term “race”, then I am practically all races. I am a full on mutt. It would be hard to find one “race” that is not in my ancestral background.

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Psyral said:
While I may not like what someone says or agree with them, I would never attempt to stop words from being said. They are just words and I am not going to support victim culture buy coddling someone who could choose to be strong and above words but are being told by the PC police that they are victims of micro-aggressions or whatever. Be strong and see words for what they are. Words are not an attack unless the RECIPENT decides to give them inflated power.

If words aren’t an attack then why do bigot assholes get so mad when they get called a bigot? Why do you care what words I say if words are nothing? Are you being a victim? Stop expecting me to coddle you and not point out your bigotry. I refuse to coddle fucking weak minded, miserable, hateful pieces of shit.
 

I have never gotten mad at people calling me a bigot. I don’t understand why they would say that. I am always open to hear viewpoints that I don’t agree with. How is that within the definition of bigotry? And I never got upset at what you have said to me. I have always considered it a dialog of different mindsets. I have never felt victimized by your words and I have never felt the need for you to coddle me or agree with me. I don’t see myself as weak minded, miserable, or hateful. I do try to explain my position in the most thoughtful way I can.

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But none of this really matters cause it’s coming from me who many people say is a bigot because I refuse to treat anyone of any skin color, sexual orientation, gender, or social economic status as different from anyone else. That is something I completely don’t understand.

That’s a fantastic position, too bad you don’t live up to it because you’d rather make a safe space for bigotry than to make a safe space for diverse peoples.

“I refuse to treat anyone of any skin color, sexual orientation, gender, or social economic status as different from anyone else.” I treat no one differently. Bigot, non-bigot, does not matter. There is no “safe space” from my inclusion of all in a system of equality.

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Psyral said:
I’m not hiding my head in the sand to the oppression that people experience who say they are in marginalized subsections of humanity. I acknowledge that it exists and should not.

Wishing it away won’t do anything. Confront it if you don’t want it to exist.

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But I will not support segregation by defending or fighting for anyone who thinks they are in societal constructed division. I will only act with equality to all. No one is special. That’s what And that makes me a bigot. I claim all live matter and get labeled as racist for going against black lives matter. If someone wants to claim to be black then I will not stop them but they are still humans and are included in my “all” and I will not change my all inclusive view to cater to someone else’s shortsitedness of what “all” means.

Nobody started saying All Lives Matter until black people started saying Hey, We Matter TOO. Nobody said All Lives Matter until a kid was killed by a cop and was left on the street for hours and black people said “This Life Mattered, TOO”. 

All Lives Matter is racist when it is used to silence someone saying that black lives matter. Saying that All Lives Matter is a silencing technique used to stop people from talking about the way people are being murdered by racism. 

I was saying “all lives matter” decades ago. It was a mantra of mine. It is an affirmation of what I believe. I don’t use it to silence anything. I am against any type of restriction of speech or expression – even if it is in direct opposition to my own.

And I am not wishing anything away, I state specifically that my method is to not support segregation in any form.

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You acknowledge that Race is a social construct but you deny the impact society can have on someone who is confined to the constructed minority. Race is a social construct but society permeates our existence and pretending like something that is socially contrived doesn’t mean it isn’t real. Money is a social construct and you can bet your ass that it’s real.

I did not deny it. I specifically said I acknowledge it. Even though I acknowledge the effects of those who see race as real, I still do not see it as real. That way I do not add to the racial segregation that people who see race as real perpetuate. And I don’t see money as real either… but that is for a completely other discussion :P

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Nobody cares if you’re a bigot. Everybody has bigotries. Everybody lives in a bigoted society. What matters is how we address our bigotries. Do we give in and perpetuate them or do we challenge them, in ourselves and in the people around us?

Agree… mostly. I am not going to challenge someone else not in agreement with me. Who am I to say that I am right and they are wrong. I can only state disagreement or non-understanding of their point of view.

I think you took my rant in a way that I did not intend. I am fond of the forums here because there is very little restriction of speech and thoughts so it allows for the perfect arena for discussion of ideas (whether in agreement or disagreement). I am always up for stating my thoughts on something and I am always willing to hear what others think. I may not understand what others think and I will usually state that. It’s not an attack, just part of the dialog. I never get angry or upset with it all.

Since forum posts don’t convey the lack of anger or even enthusiasm of statements very well, It may be better to have these kind of conversations in person.

YOU AND ME, BEHIND THE BIZZARO WORLD TENT AT 3PM FRIDAY AT THE GATHERING… ITS ON! (Fight, Fight)   Just kidding. :P But if you are down for it, we can always meet up and sit down, have a faygo or two, smoke some. I am really quite pleasant to talk to. … And if you use the gathering like I do (it’s vacation for me), then you may just want to keep it light and not get into ideologies. Either way, we still have to hang out for a faygo. You owe me one from last gathering ;)

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Lol ok….i hope leftover crack comes and gives u lice and a crack addiction? 

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I have no real reason why but I can’t help but think of a line from the movie “Donnie Darko”, “What are we talking about here? The PTA doesn’t ban books.”…

Personally, I refuse to use the term “African-American”. 1) It was MADE UP in the 90’s 2) It automatically implies a form of soft racism in the implication that one is making when they ASSUME a person’s parentage/linage based on the color of their skin and the current geographical location one happens to see them in. 3) It’s not interchangeable. There’s no Canadian-Africans, or African-Mexicans or Japanese-Africans… It is all too specific to addressing an AMERICAN PROBLEM regarding race. This shit does NOT go on in other (“1st World”) countries. By no means is there NOT racism of one kind or another in these places but it does NOT take the same form it does here in the US…

I wish I could find a clip of it but a perfect example would be from the Gorillaz tour DVD at THE APOLLO. They were using a children’s choir for the song “Dirty Harry” from a local school and the black female principle was talking to Damon Albarn (the lead singer) about the content of the lyrics of the song and having children saying “we need a gun… etc”. Damon at one point (totally paraphrasing because I don’t know exactly where the section on my copy to quote directly from) says something to the effect of being aware of the concerns of the “black community” (‘er some shit); and the principle CORRECTS him and says “African-American”. He says, “Pardon?”. “We say “African-American” here.” “Oh. Uh… We don’t have that in the UK.”

First of all, I can’t STAND when ‘Mericans feel the need to “educate” people on “Americanisms”. Kinda like when morons say, Speak American! Second, the entire event is being held in HARLEM at the fuckin’ APOLLO featuring a HUGE cast of BLACK artists and musicians… and this bitch felt the NEED to correct a foreigner on the local “anti-racist” terminology SHE prefers to hear from the lead singer of a nationally regarded band that had chosen students from HER school to participate in a performance that is doing NOTHING BUT directly commenting on issues and concerns of these “African-Americans” she so wants to protect their dignity from.

I gotta say @robtidwell that yer not acting too dissimilar to that principal. You seem to have tried your best since you popped up around here to wedge yourself as some kind of “moral authority” around here as you never fail to make some comment at the first drop of any word or turn of phrase you (and others to be honest) deem “no longer acceptable in society”.

To be sure, you are NOT the moral authority around here. NO ONE has to answer to or otherwise validate themselves TO YOU in order to save themselves from your “scathing” retorts and detriments about how they regard people around them. Juggalos are KNOWN to be some accepting muthafakos AND accepting of some of the kinds of things that are NOT accepted ANYwhere else (from physical to mental) … and you wanna go off on every usage of a word MEANT as an insult or reign in people for calling something ghetto or gay…

I’m not sayin’ your CAUSE (and that’s what you’re pushin’) isn’t *just or that I don’t *agree but I really think you’re trying to build a pulpit in the middle of a choir that’s already been converted… they just use different words. Drawing out the analogy further… maybe you shouldn’t be trying to correct a person’s use of words while standing in the back halls of the Apollo in Harlem.

Or should I start a petition to get more male representation in tampon commercials? Cuz we gotta buy that shit for our bitches sometimes too!

Oh and this is the performance for which Damon got RACIALLY CORRECTED… totally racist and insensitive ain’t it?

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bayAreaShaman said
Lol ok….i hope leftover crack comes and gives u lice and a crack addiction? 

Yay! Better bands have tried. lol

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April 14, 2016
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Cheshyr said 
…Or should I start a petition to get more male representation in tampon commercials? Cuz we gotta buy that shit for our bitches sometimes too!..
 

Great idea. A male character from the Hannibal Lecter series (Red Dragon) used Kotex for his butt:

“One evening in 1969 while in the office working rewrite, Freddy had an epiphany.

Frank Larkin was seated near him taking dictation on the telephone. Dictation was the glue factory for old reporters on the paper where Freddy worked. Frank Larkin was fifty-five, but he looked seventy. He was oystereyed and he went to his locker every half-hour for a drink. Freddy could smell him from where he sat.

Larkin got up and shuffled over to the slot and spoke in a hoarse whisper to the news editor, a woman. Freddy always listened to other people’s conversations.

Larkin asked the woman to get him a Kotex from the machine in the ladies’ room. He had to use them on his bleeding behind.

Freddy stopped typing. He took the story out of his typewriter, replaced the paper and wrote a letter of resignation.”

Dan Soder GOTJ 2016!

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April 14, 2016
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SPOOKYtheFUNGI said

MASTERWEEDO said

SPOOKYtheFUNGI said
Idk if the clowns ever performed “the greatest show” live but i want to start a petition to have icp open to this song at the gathering. That song is soooo fuckin live idk y they dont open to that song all the time. And not just a snippet of the song i wanna hear the full song live as the opener.

ICP sang the Oddities version several times in the WWF.

Fuck da oddities version

yeah. 

Whoop Whoop scruffy :

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April 15, 2016
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It would probably cost too much, but Hamilton would be dope to see.

 

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