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November 1, 2021
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Pretty funny the tags are mentioned to promote the producer, but all it does is make you resent then   

See. That works if it's a random mixtape or some dude just buys a premade beat from them.

 

But when it's half the songs or more on an album...fuck off with that shit 

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November 2, 2021
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See. That works if it's a random mixtape or some dude just buys a premade beat from them.

 

But when it's half the songs or more on an album...fuck off with that shit   

I always thought that the producers offered to remove the tags, once the proper licensing fee was paid. I get the feeling they still ain't paying people properly. 

November 2, 2021
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So, something occurred to me. And I think it might be part of why this album feels so weird.

 

Every other jokers cards, the "victims" and why they were targeted was pretty clear. The dark carnival punishes the wicked.

 

But who is yum yum targeting? The vain? Seems unlikely given ICP themselves are pretty vain. Is it dudes who are lured by the flower to leave their girls? Then yum yum is getting you to do it, while the other cards punish you after the fact 

 

The concept just seems less clear.  

Honestly, I think this Joker's Card is just about their fear of women. I mean it doesn't take a Psychoanalyst to figure out what this could represent:

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Also, "Yum Yum Flower" already sounds like something J would call pussy.

I agree about how it's noticeable that the Yum Yum Flower tricks people, rather than punish the bad guys after the fact. I guess it's not the only Joker's Card that tricks people, The Great Milenko seems to be doing that as well. But with Milenko it is clearly implied that he tricks people who are already evil, he's just an accelerator I guess, but if you check out the lyrics to Don’t Touch That Flower and Bewitching, off of Yum Yum's Lure, there's clearly much more compassion given to her victims than Milenko's ("The lonely are most vulnerable") and the power is completely given to her ("Her pollen wipes your brain clean of all rationale / You can't help but reach out to her"). Btw, speaking of Lure, check out Shaggy's verse on Loyalty(another track that's supposed to explain the concept) to figure out how their disdain for women is at the core of this card.

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But who is yum yum targeting? The vain? Seems unlikely given ICP themselves are pretty vain.

This just made me think. Maybe not "the vain", but yes, ICP themselves are targets/victims of this Joker's Card. Check out Ain't No Time. The song seems to be one of the more personal ones to J (maybe not literally, but certainly emotionally), but what he is describing sounds exactly like the Yum Yum Flower ("I can't believe that you tricked me, your neden whole strictly / Move me all up in you, with all my shit, then evict me / But now your powers are gone, 'cause all your juices are spoiled"). So this Joker's Card could be the first one to actually target the 'good guys', instead of the wicked. But then again, Fred Fury's whole thing is beating up people who have depression, so I guess the 2nd deck is generally pretty weird when it comes to the lore.

Anyways, the whole card seems to be about how those no good women can trick you (and "you" is obviously meant to be "us men"). It's pretty ironic, given that they made a huge deal about how it's the first ever female Joker's Card. But instead of having her go after abusers and manipulators, they make her the abuser/manipulator and the message becomes: "Beware of dem bitches". Otherwise you might get tricked into having to support "her" spawns, which are all disappointments to fathers of course (the wicked brat, this pug ugly one and that weepin' werido).

Luckily, ICP also included a track to teach women how to be Queens. Basically be super obedient, adore your man regardless of what a fuck up he is, always be there for him and be his emotional support dog. Those are the ones that we "should be kind to".

November 2, 2021
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jiggles the clown said
So, something occurred to me. And I think it might be part of why this album feels so weird.

 

Every other jokers cards, the "victims" and why they were targeted was pretty clear. The dark carnival punishes the wicked.

 

But who is yum yum targeting? The vain? Seems unlikely given ICP themselves are pretty vain. Is it dudes who are lured by the flower to leave their girls? Then yum yum is getting you to do it, while the other cards punish you after the fact 

 

The concept just seems less clear.  

Honestly, I think this Joker's Card is just about their fear of women. I mean it doesn't take a Psychoanalyst to figure out what this could represent:

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Also, "Yum Yum Flower" already sounds like something J would call pussy.

I agree about how it's noticeable that the Yum Yum Flower tricks people, rather than punish the bad guys after the fact. I guess it's not the only Joker's Card that tricks people, The Great Milenko seems to be doing that as well. But with Milenko it is clearly implied that he tricks people who are already evil, he's just an accelerator I guess, but if you check out the lyrics to Don’t Touch That Flower and Bewitching, off of Yum Yum's Lure, there's clearly much more compassion given to her victims than Milenko's ("The lonely are most vulnerable") and the power is completely given to her ("Her pollen wipes your brain clean of all rationale / You can't help but reach out to her"). Btw, speaking of Lure, check out Shaggy's verse on Loyalty(another track that's supposed to explain the concept) to figure out how their disdain for women is at the core of this card.

jiggles the clown said
But who is yum yum targeting? The vain? Seems unlikely given ICP themselves are pretty vain.

This just made me think. Maybe not "the vain", but yes, ICP themselves are targets/victims of this Joker's Card. Check out Ain't No Time. The song seems to be one of the more personal ones to J (maybe not literally, but certainly emotionally), but what he is describing sounds exactly like the Yum Yum Flower ("I can't believe that you tricked me, your neden whole strictly / Move me all up in you, with all my shit, then evict me / But now your powers are gone, 'cause all your juices are spoiled"). So this Joker's Card could be the first one to actually target the 'good guys', instead of the wicked. But then again, Fred Fury's whole thing is beating up people who have depression, so I guess the 2nd deck is generally pretty weird when it comes to the lore.

Anyways, the whole card seems to be about how those no good women can trick you (and "you" is obviously meant to be "us men"). It's pretty ironic, given that they made a huge deal about how it's the first ever female Joker's Card. But instead of having her go after abusers and manipulators, they make her the abuser/manipulator and the message becomes: "Beware of dem bitches". Otherwise you might get tricked into having to support "her" spawns, which are all disappointments to fathers of course (the wicked brat, this pug ugly one and that weepin' werido).

Luckily, ICP also included a track to teach women how to be Queens. Basically be super obedient, adore your man regardless of what a fuck up he is, always be there for him and be his emotional support dog. Those are the ones that we "should be kind to".  

I didnt have the time to listen to it yet, but that sounds really stale, to say the least. Man I hope I wont agree with your points.

November 2, 2021
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T.O. said

jiggles the clown said
So, something occurred to me. And I think it might be part of why this album feels so weird.

 

Every other jokers cards, the "victims" and why they were targeted was pretty clear. The dark carnival punishes the wicked.

 

But who is yum yum targeting? The vain? Seems unlikely given ICP themselves are pretty vain. Is it dudes who are lured by the flower to leave their girls? Then yum yum is getting you to do it, while the other cards punish you after the fact 

 

The concept just seems less clear.  

Honestly, I think this Joker's Card is just about their fear of women. I mean it doesn't take a Psychoanalyst to figure out what this could represent:

Image Enlarger

Also, "Yum Yum Flower" already sounds like something J would call pussy.

I agree about how it's noticeable that the Yum Yum Flower tricks people, rather than punish the bad guys after the fact. I guess it's not the only Joker's Card that tricks people, The Great Milenko seems to be doing that as well. But with Milenko it is clearly implied that he tricks people who are already evil, he's just an accelerator I guess, but if you check out the lyrics to Don’t Touch That Flower and Bewitching, off of Yum Yum's Lure, there's clearly much more compassion given to her victims than Milenko's ("The lonely are most vulnerable") and the power is completely given to her ("Her pollen wipes your brain clean of all rationale / You can't help but reach out to her"). Btw, speaking of Lure, check out Shaggy's verse on Loyalty(another track that's supposed to explain the concept) to figure out how their disdain for women is at the core of this card.

jiggles the clown said
But who is yum yum targeting? The vain? Seems unlikely given ICP themselves are pretty vain.

This just made me think. Maybe not "the vain", but yes, ICP themselves are targets/victims of this Joker's Card. Check out Ain't No Time. The song seems to be one of the more personal ones to J (maybe not literally, but certainly emotionally), but what he is describing sounds exactly like the Yum Yum Flower ("I can't believe that you tricked me, your neden whole strictly / Move me all up in you, with all my shit, then evict me / But now your powers are gone, 'cause all your juices are spoiled"). So this Joker's Card could be the first one to actually target the 'good guys', instead of the wicked. But then again, Fred Fury's whole thing is beating up people who have depression, so I guess the 2nd deck is generally pretty weird when it comes to the lore.

Anyways, the whole card seems to be about how those no good women can trick you (and "you" is obviously meant to be "us men"). It's pretty ironic, given that they made a huge deal about how it's the first ever female Joker's Card. But instead of having her go after abusers and manipulators, they make her the abuser/manipulator and the message becomes: "Beware of dem bitches". Otherwise you might get tricked into having to support "her" spawns, which are all disappointments to fathers of course (the wicked brat, this pug ugly one and that weepin' werido).

Luckily, ICP also included a track to teach women how to be Queens. Basically be super obedient, adore your man regardless of what a fuck up he is, always be there for him and be his emotional support dog. Those are the ones that we "should be kind to".  

I dunno man. I think you're giving them too much credit on this one. I think the original version of the album was about loyalty (based with its foundations on the bitterness about this Twiztid shit). Then they had to make a whole new album and just had to "make it work" somehow. I don't think there is this much thought behind the theme of this joker card, in its current state.

Just my opinion though. I'm aware I might be completely wrong.

November 2, 2021
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I dunno man. I think you're giving them too much credit on this one. I think the original version of the album was about loyalty (based with its foundations on the bitterness about this Twiztid shit). Then they had to make a whole new album and just had to "make it work" somehow. I don't think there is this much thought behind the theme of this joker card, in its current state.

Just my opinion though. I'm aware I might be completely wrong.  

Oh I'm completely with you on that one. I don't even think that they would agree with me that this is what they were going for. But I still think it's in there. Like you and others pointed out, most of the songs don't have anything to do with the YYF concept. But I think it's this lack of precise vision on their part that made their underlying biases and states of mind shine through even stronger.
In other words, I don't think J's thought process was "Imma make this card about how women can fool you and I'm secretly hoping that by the end of the record everyone will agree with me on that" or anything like that. I think he wanted to make it about loyalty (we all know why), then he thought "a female Joker's Card would be fresh" and then his emotions mixed with a lack of focus took over and it unintentionally turned into what I was describing.

That Queens song is a good example. I genuinely think J's intend was to make a wholesome song that's a celebration of (certain) women and how they should be appreciated. But it ended up saying much more about himself and how he thinks of women. Because that whole song is about what women can provide for men, how they can support them, be loyal to them, help them out when they lose control, etc., etc. It's not "she can be a slob sometimes, but to you she's always beautiful", rather it's "she loves you despite you being a total slob, and you should love her for that". I don't think they intended this to be the message (so I'm not giving them credit in this way), but I believe this unintentionally ended up being the message and it does say something about them (albeit nothing that we didn't know already).

November 2, 2021
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After hearing Ain't No Time I think the whole idea from the album came from J's fallout with his wife. That's a rough song to listen to and it makes me feel super bad for the dude. Now the whole signing Blahzay thing looks like a cry for help and attention. Its sad man.

November 2, 2021
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Oh I'm completely with you on that one. I don't even think that they would agree with me that this is what they were going for. But I still think it's in there. Like you and others pointed out, most of the songs don't have anything to do with the YYF concept. But I think it's this lack of precise vision on their part that made their underlying biases and states of mind shine through even stronger.
In other words, I don't think J's thought process was "Imma make this card about how women can fool you and I'm secretly hoping that by the end of the record everyone will agree with me on that" or anything like that. I think he wanted to make it about loyalty (we all know why), then he thought "a female Joker's Card would be fresh" and then his emotions mixed with a lack of focus took over and it unintentionally turned into what I was describing.

That Queens song is a good example. I genuinely think J's intend was to make a wholesome song that's a celebration of (certain) women and how they should be appreciated. But it ended up saying much more about himself and how he thinks of women. Because that whole song is about what women can provide for men, how they can support them, be loyal to them, help them out when they lose control, etc., etc. It's not "she can be a slob sometimes, but to you she's always beautiful", rather it's "she loves you despite you being a total slob, and you should love her for that". I don't think they intended this to be the message (so I'm not giving them credit in this way), but I believe this unintentionally ended up being the message and it does say something about them (albeit nothing that we didn't know already).  

Ahh. Yeah I got you. I misunderstood your original point but yeah. I don't even think the most blind fans can argue that it's not a mess of a "concept".

Massive shame because, although I think the depth of this gay "beef" is completely pathetic and cringe as fuck, I'd have preferred them to use that as fuel to make a focussed joker card about loyalty.

November 2, 2021
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Noawareness said

Massive shame because, although I think the depth of this gay "beef" is completely pathetic and cringe as fuck, I'd have preferred them to use that as fuel to make a focussed joker card about loyalty.  

Agreed. Honestly, going with the theme of Shaggy being on point lately, he already pulled that off perfectly, imo:

It's still a song about the stupid beef and their narcissistic fantasies of how everyone needs to be loyal to them, but at least it's not half-assed – he had a clear concept and fully leaned into the aggressiveness and the result was a dope song. They also utilized some of that energy quite well on FFF (mainly the first half). But yeah, YYF is a mess.

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I always thought that the producers offered to remove the tags, once the proper licensing fee was paid. I get the feeling they still ain't paying people properly.   

Generally speaking that's what no name producers do so they can get paid for their work..

nowadays producers with a name keep the tag.. Just Blaze & Araab kinda made it cool.. like if MEC had a tag, ninjas would be like "oh shit! Mike made this beat!" With that said YYB producers ain't poppin' enough to keep their tags..

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The album's definitely a bit rough around the edges. The inconsistency in production quality is the biggest bummer for me. I don't really hate anything on here, I think Gangsta Code is probably my least favorite. It's a fine enough story but that beat feels really put of place, and as with some other songs on the album the vocals kind of get drowned out and I can't really make out what the fuck J's saying. Something To See is also towards the bottom of the barrel for subpar mixing. Everything else is pretty decent to good. There were some songs i wasn't expecting myself to dig much,, like Queens and Heart and Soul, that after a few listens I did. I wish we'd gotten a Shaggy solo track (glad to see my man getting the love and recognition he deserves these days). Shaggy solo joints have pretty consistently been highlights on cards this deck, at least for me. I think the J to Shaggs ratio was a little closer to even on this than Fred Fury, so thats a plus. It is, for me, not the best album they've released in the last 15 years, and also not the worst they've released in this deck. If I had to quantify it, I'd say its like a B-

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The album's definitely a bit rough around the edges. The inconsistency in production quality is the biggest bummer for me. I don't really hate anything on here, I think Gangsta Code is probably my least favorite. It's a fine enough story but that beat feels really put of place, and as with some other songs on the album the vocals kind of get drowned out and I can't really make out what the fuck J's saying. Something To See is also towards the bottom of the barrel for subpar mixing. Everything else is pretty decent to good. There were some songs i wasn't expecting myself to dig much,, like Queens and Heart and Soul, that after a few listens I did. I wish we'd gotten a Shaggy solo track (glad to see my man getting the love and recognition he deserves these days). Shaggy solo joints have pretty consistently been highlights on cards this deck, at least for me. I think the J to Shaggs ratio was a little closer to even on this than Fred Fury, so thats a plus. It is, for me, not the best album they've released in the last 15 years, and also not the worst they've released in this deck. If I had to quantify it, I'd say its like a B-  

yeah I generally dig what they were trying to do with Heart & Soul...just feel like the singing vocals in the 2nd half of their verses is too loud and drowns out the verses...doesn't help that J and Shaggy didn't really bring a whole lot of energy to the track...I dig the chorus work and 80's type instrumental though...Queens I don't mind at all...I've seen people critiquing that the song is a bit hypocritical but I think that's the point lol I mean these are the same guys who used to (admittedly) throw bricks at prostitutes back in their younger days...I do think the suggestion of others on here that there should have been more songs from the female POV attacking rapists, kidnappers, abusers, etc. has merit but at the same time...maybe the "victims" that YYB is targeting aren't exactly perfect either

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I saw some mention on Facebook that Here Comes the Carnival should have been the outro song and Don't Touch that Flower should have been the second track.

 

I actually agree with this idea somewhat. I think the placement of Here Comes the Carnival was ok as is. But if it did get placed at the end. ICP should have done some random skits throughout the album (like Bang Pow Boom)

 

Could have been characters hyping up the existence of the Carnival and people placing doubt the Dark Carnival is real and then suddenly it emerges with a epic skit leading into Here Comes the Carnival. 

 

For all it's worth YYB is probably one of ICPs longest albums, yet most straight forward album next to Lost. Which really separates the tone vs MDP, FFF, BPB or any of the original cards.

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Honestly I feel like Wretched should've been the hallowicked single this year. It's so out of place on the album and was better than the single we actually got.

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Wretched sounds like a continuation of FFF. i loved wretched. If the album had that tone this wouldve been the best album in the deck.

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Can someone post the production for this cd? I love here comes the carnival.. it sounds like a Mike P beat. 

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So after a bunch of listens, it's shaggy the airhead. I just cant get into his beats, so basic, and drums really suck.

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darklotusfaygo said
Can someone post the production for this cd? I love here comes the carnival.. it sounds like a Mike P beat.   

I was going to ask the same thing, hopefully someone can hook it up with the production notes or booklet scans. I too am quite sure Mike P produced Here Comes The Carnival, but also I think he probably did Panic Attack, Don't Touch That Flower, and Slapnut. Could be wrong, just guessing here. 

I also agree that Don't Touch That Flower should have been the track after the intro. When I first listened to YYB I was a bit thrown by the change in vibe going from the intro into Here Comes The Carnival, didn't seem right. Then I got to Don't Touch That FLower and was like what is that doing down here!? I dunno, maybe they were trying to switch up the usual Joker Card format. I also like the idea of Carnival Of Lights being the closing track. 

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It's not the greatest ICP album ever, but it ain't bad. ICP has always been experimental with their sound, and change happens with time. I do miss Mike E Clark's production though. 

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I was going to ask the same thing, hopefully someone can hook it up with the production notes or booklet scans. I too am quite sure Mike P produced Here Comes The Carnival, but also I think he probably did Panic Attack, Don't Touch That Flower, and Slapnut. Could be wrong, just guessing here. 

I also agree that Don't Touch That Flower should have been the track after the intro. When I first listened to YYB I was a bit thrown by the change in vibe going from the intro into Here Comes The Carnival, didn't seem right. Then I got to Don't Touch That FLower and was like what is that doing down here!? I dunno, maybe they were trying to switch up the usual Joker Card format. I also like the idea of Carnival Of Lights being the closing track.   

Taken from https://genius.com/albums/Insane-clown-posse/Yum-yum-bedlam

1 Intro - Devereaux
2 Here Comes the Carnival - Kuma
3 Wretched - Devereaux
4 Clown Drippin' - Shaggy the Airhead
5 Gangsta Code - Mike P.
6 Queens - Shaggy the Airhead & Devereaux (who apparently go by Mythic Mindz as a production duo)
7 Panic Attack - Mike P.
8 Fuck Regret - Shaggy the Airhead
9 Insomnia - Shaggy the Airhead
10 Heart & Soul (Feat. Vinnie Dombroski) - Mike P.
11 The Drunk & The Addict - Shaggy the Airhead & Devereaux
12 Don't Touch That Flower - Str8jaket
13 Slapnut - Kuma
14 Bitch I'm Fine - Shaggy the Airhead
15 Carnival of Lights - Str8jaket
16 Ain't No Time (Feat. Roadside Ghost) - Devereaux
17 Something to See - Mike P.

Booklet scans would be neat, tho.

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