the only thing that came true in that was another deck.... try harder..

The Warlock said:

YayYay said:

ICP truly did sell out to be accepted. They went back on everything they said.

like what??

The shit talk then ass kissing of certain artists with bullshit reasons, the wanting to all of a sudden be politically correct, suddenly calling artists that they would have shit talked years ago cool, the welcoming of random non juggalos to their festival made for juggalos.

I either think they are trying to sell out or that they were sell outs in the 90s and are now being themselves. Either way, doesn't matter to me as long as they don't completely sell out and make music that I still like

they sung on melinko

had way more weed songs a decade ago was never strictly that tho..

shangri la had depression & evil.. forecast/bridge

one song..

2 festivals

they did that with dog beats & coc

not the same as what was said & that was only once regardless

they were never accepted in the 1st place

in a sense but not completely they still rap about crazy shit.. its just toned down..

if anyone's trollin it's you.. like i said.. try harder… & in that vid/song they didnt say they were gonna just barely dabble into that shit they said they were FULLY going in those directions… which they obviously never did…

So are you saying they are trying to distance themselves from the word juggalo? I don't get it...They are about to spend vast sums of money defending our name. Sell outs or not they love this family man. We put food on their tables

Slumerican502 said:

So are you saying they are trying to distance themselves from the word juggalo? I don't get it...They are about to spend vast sums of money defending our name. Sell outs or not they love this family man. We put food on their tables

ICP's name nor Psychopathic's name is on that lawsuit. I don't think it'll be some huge deal at first anyway. Just them trying to get it removed. We'll see what happens if the FBI doesn't budge and how far they're willing to take it. And it's not just for our honor. It's also because it's effecting/going to effect their business.

I don't know if they were trying to distance themselves from the word juggalo in general but for their "music festival" they sure were. Why else would they do that? But it backfired when juggalos realized what was happening and bitched about it. They know juggalos scare people away and since they were getting some mainstream press.... put one and one together. But they made the right move changing it back so good for them.

Slumerican502 said:

So why would they be spending their money if our name didn't matter? It is a big deal though man. Not just for juggalos but everyone. They are trying to tell us what we can and can't listen to. It is very significant in my eyes. They are gonna sell shitloads of merch whether we are on a gang list or not.

You are just implying that they would give up the juggalos for a little mainstream attention. I understand its a business but I can't buy into that man. Of course they are in it to make money but it doesn't mean they don't love us. We are their bread and butter man

Because they're already losing money getting their merch pulled and can lose venues due to being considered gang rallies. It's more than just the juggalo name. It's everything Psychopathic related that goes with it that's being effected right now. If they don't make a move they're going to bleed a slow death. They had to make a move. And I know it's a big deal but I mean in court it's going to start small. Court cases take time and that's when the money piles on. So if they can get it removed asap without spending much, it's really not a big deal and it'll be back to business as usual. But if the FBI doesn't budge, that's when it'll be a huge deal.

Again they know juggalos scare people away and it's simple. They want more fans. They're not going to exclude juggalos completely but they do do things to shed their reputation to attempt to gain more fans. Like the Miracles video to shed the reputation they only make murder music. Juggalos already knew that but they made a video to show the world. Juggalos got made fun of even more after that video but ICP didn't seem to care because they were getting more press than ever. Boy were they giddy they were getting all this attention. MTV, dressing as goofs on the George Lopez show, Spin interviews showing off his family. Anyone and everyone they used to diss they were giving their attention to. They played that Miracles shit on the American Psychos Tour knowing how much of a stain it was to juggalos. Hey it'll still be called the Gathering but we'll just brush the juggalo name under the carpet so people won't be scared away. But at least with that they listened and changed it. Oh hey SNL is dissing us for our shitty infomercials that juggalos don't even like so let's keep making them because it's mainstream attention. And not only that let's flatter them by saying how honored we are that they're dissing us and taking a shit on every juggalo out there. They went to SNL and asked if they could perform on their show! SNL's response? Put them in a skit about 'being in the closet' which J says in the skit and I quote "it's great to be here, it's an honor to be here". The Village Voice ran a piece called 'Revenge of the Losers' for their gathering recap. Violent J was like 'Eh, I don't agree. But that's ok. I'll still give you an interview and anything you want from me'. That type of shit. They're so concerned with their reputation to the outside world sometimes that it does come off as insincere when they talk juggalo love. Juggalos have to sit there and listen to J complain constantly about their reputation when juggalos don't give a shit about their reputation. It's basically J saying juggalos aren't enough. That's a slap in the face to every juggalo that J cares more about his reputation than he does them. If it was really family love, then family would be all that matters. He had that motto during the Shangri-La era and he was sincere about it but now a days it ain't enough for him.

The outcome of all this is the mainstream still doesn't care about ICP and a lot of juggalos are sick of all this stupid shit too and are leaving. Artists are leaving. But you know what? This all happened before. After ICP desperately tried to get on TRL back in the day and juggalos were dropping off like flies, he had a moment of clarity for TFTLP and going in to Shangri-La that he didn't need acceptance from the mainstream to be happy. And dude was happy as fuck during the Shangri-La era when he realized and accepted God and juggalos were like the Hulkamania life force to his happiness lol. So can he realize it again? History is repeating itself so we'll see. I'm not a hater. I want everything to be turned around for the better again. It sucks watching the scene I grew up with going through this shit again. I don't want this to die but if it's going to keep being ass like it has been, it's going to.

damn... i couldve sworn it was that interview but i guess it wasnt haha