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8:48 pm
March 13, 2013
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Ok look, Psychopathic, as a record label, is entering a tipping point. With Twiztid out the door, Blaze in purgatory, and ABK with what looks to be some sort of distribution deal, Psy is almost back to where it began with just ICP. They still say they have a roster which is true, but then again kinda sorta not really. I mean Mike E is a producer and remixer and has rapped only a couple verses and one song, Legz finally put out an album that was supposed to be out in 1997, whether 'Son of Silence' and '9 Pistolas' were/are anything alike nobody knows, and they've plowed through 6 or 7 artists in 3 years. Pre 2005 the list of past artists was able to be counted on one hand, including V-Sinister, but it seems that people are floating off left and right here recently and we all are at a tipping point as a collective people.
Using rock n roll as measuring stick, a band can only be of a consistanty quality into thier 50's, unless your AC/DC but this isnt the place for that. Joe and Joey are entering thier 40's and have more fuel in them to go into thier 70's and beyond, providing Joey's future plastic hip can take suicide leaps from the speaker stacks. but come 2040 and beyond where will we find ourselves? Maybe Violent JJ and one of Joey's boys go out and do a ICP cover band type of thing or just keep ICP goingas an ICP 2.0, but thats all speculation.
The look of this years Gathering with its 'Underground Flavor' theme is that they are taking the biggest cross section of Juggalos and underground acts and seeing who gets the most love and probably trying to sign the best of the best. But the one thing all the other acts since Boondox, who i admitadly didnt like at first until i saw him 3 or 4 times and realized he did fit in here in a weird way, is a gimmick. Psy operates its public entity with a wrestling mind set, with gimmicks and shit, and thats what we come back for, quality music with a crazy twist. The Dayton Family and the rest were too real for our freakshow style and thats why they didnt fly, Twiztid started as what appeared as ICP putting themselves into a copy machine and look at where they are 16 years later, the only band that can even touch the 'injecting themselves into the music industry' thing that ICP has, which lead to Blaze and he lead to ABK, but then it stops, cold.
Rather than Joe trying to make shit happen they need to just let the Dark Carnival take Psy where it needs to and it will all sort itself out, Rob comming back is a HUGE step in said direction because as we all know Joe is always lost without Rob there to center himself, and the buck stops at his forehead, period. And rightfully so, he and Joey, Rob, Alex, Rudy and Billy are the reason this whole thing even exists and its thiers to do with what they want, if we didnt like the shit we wouldnt buy it, strait up. Thats why i dont buy into the whole "Violent J uses Juggalos like an ATM' bullshit Esham and others try to pull. 'Featuring Freshness' was a 'cashing in' type of record because how many ninjas didnt already own all those songs on the original records they were on? Not many i assume, but there are ninjas out there like myself that want to collect everything from the 82,000 different pressings of 'Carnival' with just different phone numbers to junk like 'The Old Shit' album, were all nerds and we want it all sometimes.
Where we as a people are headed is clear, Juggalos will be around long after ICP is gone but as a record label Psychopathic is at a point where it's either spend the next couple years 'rebuilding the brand' or go on like its business as usual and make some qustionable decisions, they need to just take the hit and figure out where we go from here not try to recreate whats already decaying before our faygo and face paint filled eyes, as J said 'You gotta let it go, cause there aint shit you can do, just keep ridin and enjoyin the view'. I hope that the future is brighter than the sun and we have faith that it will be, but for the love of God just let it happen dont try to make it happen, look at the other 1200 ninjas at whatever date of the 'Death Pop' tour you go to and you know magic just happens, espicially in our faygo logged world. Clown love mothafackos.
9:08 pm
March 31, 2012
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Hugh Jass said:
Pre 2010 the list of past artists was able to be counted on one hand, including V-Sinister,
2003: icp, twiztid, blaze, abk, esham, jumpsteady, & zug izland…. thats 7 not even including individuals…
9:21 pm
March 20, 2013
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First off, use paragraphs motherfucker! that shit burns my eyeballs.
Secondly, i mostly agree with you, i used to be one of those ninjas who soaked up everything icp psychopathic had to offer, i would spend 100s a year from hatchet gear because i couldnt get shit outside one or 2 old icp cds from my local cd shops. but when tehy started releasing multiple versions of the same shit and the quality of music dropped i stopped buying even that. i was given bang pow boom green as a gift and thats the last icp record i got.
you canyt deny that 4 versions of the the same album is using your fans to cash in.
there has been little to no releases from psychopathic since 2010 other then twiztid (who i stil maintained worked 10 times harder then icp for half the recognition), your right several artist ahve come and gone, none of which have been all that great (didnt like boondox, but he did fit) ICP seems to be trying to sign real artists and not gimmicks now or trying to giver real artists gimmicks (Cold 187um, what Big hutch too good a name to taint with association with juggalos?psychopathic assasain my left nut, more like psychopathic hasbeen) Vanilla Ice picked up on the juggalos because the world laughed at him for selling out.
To be honest i doubt ill ever buy from hatchet gear again, perhaps a blaze album (if he stays) as i dont like ABK anymore, vice is shit, cold187um is a joke, dj clay is a joke, mike e clark is cool but he shouldnt rap, stick to producing dude. dark lotus/rydas are probably gone for good, zug island are re-releasing there first? album which is stupid, legz is wroking hard but i dont think itll ever go anywhere serious unless he breaks away from the juggalos.
oh and you cant forget doe dubbla who seems like a 'real' artist, but i can't say for sure because ive only bothered to look at him on the psypher 4 (if he is the artist eing signed of course)
I think the juggalos will be here in 10 years, i dont think psychopathic will be. or atleast in any form it is now or ever was.
Don't think im hating on Psychopathic, i love that shit, it saved me from killing myself so many times in my life. its pulled me from the brink more times then i can count and i am so much stronger for that. but i can't cling to the past. psychopathic is dead for me.
9:36 pm
January 11, 2013
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I don't know why anyone would want an ICP 2.0 with their kids replacing them. Like wtf. Since ICP will always put a hatchetman on everything they do Psychopathic will be around in that sense but as far as a legit record label those days are gone. It's the ICP label now. Nothing more nothing less.
9:48 pm
March 20, 2013
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YayYay said:
I don't know why anyone would want an ICP 2.0 with their kids replacing them. Like wtf. Since ICP will always put a hatchetman on everything they do Psychopathic will be around in that sense but as far as a legit record label those days are gone. It's the ICP label now. Nothing more nothing less.
mind you, necro is pretty much the only one left on his label (mr hyde is still there, but hasnt released anything since 2007/08) and he is stil grinding hard.
9:55 pm
March 30, 2013
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YayYay said:
I don't know why anyone would want an ICP 2.0 with their kids replacing them. Like wtf. Since ICP will always put a hatchetman on everything they do Psychopathic will be around in that sense but as far as a legit record label those days are gone. It's the ICP label now. Nothing more nothing less.
mind you, necro is pretty much the only one left on his label (mr hyde is still there, but hasnt released anything since 2007/08) and he is stil grinding hard.
Good point.
9:57 pm
March 20, 2013
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in saying that, i think necro still does his porn aswell which would be pretty decent income.
10:12 pm
March 13, 2013
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First i fixed the paragraphs novocaine, second im still as down as i was 12 years ago and buy shit on hatchetgear when there is something cool i like. As far as the quality of music thats crap, just because 'The Death Pop' doesnt sound like 'Ringmaster' doesnt mean its decreased in quality, as a band you either have to evolve or die, you cant just put out 6 different 'Riddlebox'es and call it the second deck, its the second deck for a reason, because its not the first. I agree with what J said ' I dont think its actually that we sound that different, its that you look back on whatever record you were listening to and remember the good times in your life and attach the memories to that record, you cant relive your life so the new shit doesnt have the same effect that the old shit does.'
The ICP 2.0 shit was an idea that i actually got from GWAR, the said in an interview i saw that they thought it would be cool to put other people in the suits and keep GWAR going for 150 years, which was a different idea if nothing else. We and Psy wont get the our due until were/theyre gone and people can look back at us from a distance and see what weve done.
I hope and know that Psy will return bigger and better than ever, who ever thought ICP and the two guys from House of Krazees would be cool? look at it now, theyve made it the shit before and will be again, just keep the faith ninjas, other than that all we have is each other.
10:48 pm
March 20, 2013
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im not saying you shouldnt be down, at the end of the day, each person will have a different view of how things will pan out for ICP.
this is all my opinion, i don't want anyone to think i want them to think like me, because thats not coool.
i actually said back in 2005' ICP should do another set, that is when tehy were at there peak. it COULD be epic!'
and so they did, but this time i didnt get the same message as i got from the original. i dunno maybe my musical tastes have developed in a different direction, but i just dont feel as though they are speaking the same message they were 10 - 20 years ago.
I've been down since i was 13, since a homie bought over a bootleg tape of a handful of icp songs from COC to Milenko. I still consider myself a juggalo and still crank the old shit daily at work, hell right now im listening to COC.
but i don't personally like the direction that ICP is going with their music, it seems less about the dark carnival and more about well.. i dunno anymore.
i also dont appreciate having 3 copies of the same cd forced down my throat if i want a few extra bonus tracks. ill stick to buying the one i want and pirating teh shit just because i can. reality is the 3 extra cd's seemed like teh leftovers and lol remixes of MDP, i dont wanna pay for that shit. and BPB, that was 1 song different, cmon man, if thats not a play for cash then what is? its a marketing scheme, because they know juggalos are gunna go out and cop 3 copies of the cd for the extra 'freshness'. lets say eveyone who copped mdp in the first week bought 3 copies the real figures are 18000 copies not 54000, that aint right man. its bullshit sales and screwing you out of your cheddar.
Psychopathic will always have a place in my heart, but the new stuff/marketing schemes wont get much play in my rotation.
Again, this is my opinion. if you like the new shit better then the old or just as much, more power to you.
10:57 pm
April 2, 2012
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I like the new shit better then I like old shit. And here's why I'm brunt out on old shit ill played everything out sure few songs that I'm not brunt out on. That still listen to every now and then other that I just wait for next cd to come out once ill get ill listen to for a week then ill give it break so I don't burnt it on that to.
11:00 pm
April 2, 2012
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novocaine said:
im not saying you shouldnt be down, at the end of the day, each person will have a different view of how things will pan out for ICP.
this is all my opinion, i don't want anyone to think i want them to think like me, because thats not coool.
i actually said back in 2005' ICP should do another set, that is when tehy were at there peak. it COULD be epic!'
and so they did, but this time i didnt get the same message as i got from the original. i dunno maybe my musical tastes have developed in a different direction, but i just dont feel as though they are speaking the same message they were 10 – 20 years ago.
I've been down since i was 13, since a homie bought over a bootleg tape of a handful of icp songs from COC to Milenko. I still consider myself a juggalo and still crank the old shit daily at work, hell right now im listening to COC.
but i don't personally like the direction that ICP is going with their music, it seems less about the dark carnival and more about well.. i dunno anymore.
i also dont appreciate having 3 copies of the same cd forced down my throat if i want a few extra bonus tracks. ill stick to buying the one i want and pirating teh shit just because i can. reality is the 3 extra cd's seemed like teh leftovers and lol remixes of MDP, i dont wanna pay for that shit. and BPB, that was 1 song different, cmon man, if thats not a play for cash then what is? its a marketing scheme, because they know juggalos are gunna go out and cop 3 copies of the cd for the extra 'freshness'. lets say eveyone who copped mdp in the first week bought 3 copies the real figures are 18000 copies not 54000, that aint right man. its bullshit sales and screwing you out of your cheddar.
Psychopathic will always have a place in my heart, but the new stuff/marketing schemes wont get much play in my rotation.
Again, this is my opinion. if you like the new shit better then the old or just as much, more power to you.
no made you buy the 3 copes they didn't put a gun to your head did they?
11:46 pm
March 20, 2013
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no, and thats not the point. they do it because the know people will go out and cop 3 copies.
and that it is forcing it down peoples throat. maybe if they had released a double cd a few months later, wit say the best of smothered covered and chunked and pop emoporium on one disk and freaky tales on another disk for 15 bucks i could understand. but the way they did it insured good album sales.
I htink thats a cop out on the fans, its great for making money, but if you keep screwing as much coin outta your 'family' as you can, they might just leave you.
Tech n9ne didnt need to release 3 different copies of 6s and 7s to those numbers in the first week, why should icp, tehy been around longer and have a huge dedicated fanbase. (walmart clean version for people who didnt want the swearing, so 2 copies)
12:06 am
April 2, 2012
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novocaine said:
no, and thats not the point. they do it because the know people will go out and cop 3 copies.
and that it is forcing it down peoples throat. maybe if they had released a double cd a few months later, wit say the best of smothered covered and chunked and pop emoporium on one disk and freaky tales on another disk for 15 bucks i could understand. but the way they did it insured good album sales.
I htink thats a cop out on the fans, its great for making money, but if you keep screwing as much coin outta your 'family' as you can, they might just leave you.
Tech n9ne didnt need to release 3 different copies of 6s and 7s to those numbers in the first week, why should icp, tehy been around longer and have a huge dedicated fanbase. (walmart clean version for people who didnt want the swearing, so 2 copies)
Some don't mind 3 copies hell ill buyed all 3 copes of bpb but also one copy of death pop. Do you think they really care go 3 copies I don't think so thee be happy just brought one.
12:32 am
March 20, 2013
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sorry dude, but i can barely understand through all the typos, but from what i gathered, icp are happy ninjas are buy their stuff regardless whether its one or 3 copies?
if that was true, why release 3 copies? its a marketing scheme and it works and you just spent an extra 40 bucks on 2 cds you already own, oh except for 1 track different.
12:40 am
April 2, 2012
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novocaine said:
sorry dude, but i can barely understand through all the typos, but from what i gathered, icp are happy ninjas are buy their stuff regardless whether its one or 3 copies?
if that was true, why release 3 copies? its a marketing scheme and it works and you just spent an extra 40 bucks on 2 cds you already own, oh except for 1 track different.
The collect some people buy all 3 just to collect them. Its matter of choice some will buy all 3 some buy just two others buy one.
12:58 am
January 11, 2013
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Yeah Tech has surpassed ICP as the underground leader. Strange over Psychopathic for that matter (Twiztid leaving was the confirmation on that). I get the feeling ICP/Psychopathic is more concerned with marketing and schemes than they are quality product anymore. Do whatever it takes to keep it going but I don't see how that can last in the long run. People can point to them being in the game for 20 years but they were great for most of it musically and when ICP started going downhill they still had Twiztid and a solid roster to back them up.
Now it's like what is there? ICP is ass 90% of the time now. The record label is no more and they don't bother opening their check books to sign anybody relevant. Twiztid were their lottery ticket for years because Blaze and ABK came from them too who juggalos actually like. If it wasn't for Twiztid there would be no 'family' which the label has been running off of. They started using it first.
Who knows maybe they'll get a reality show they used to talk about and play themselves out even more for that short term success. After that though good luck trying to stay relevant to anybody including juggalos. But they're in their 40's and probably don't care anymore and only care about how much they can make right now. Probably why they're not bothering with a countdown in the new deck because it's not as thought out as the first time around which was a long term investment. It's like, here's a new card with little effort and no thought but if you guys keep paying us we'll keep making em. I see no long term anything with ICP/Psychopathic right now. No clear vision of who they are and what they're going for. It all just seems so random. Even J seems confused. One minute he'll say how they haven't gone soft and the next he'll say they are and aren't mad anymore. One minute he'll say they're not trying to be like the old school and the next he'll say they are (as well as the Old Shit Tour, Riddle Box show, and I'm sure more coming down the pipe). The music is all over the place as a result. The label can't keep artists or anything good going but we're supposed to have faith that Psychopathic will make the right decisions. No wonder juggalos are all over the place and confused these days. No more unity because there's nothing to get behind.
1:21 am
April 15, 2013
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There are three versions of Milenko... four actually. Nothing new about that practice. At least now you get something different besides the cover art.
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scruffy1:26 am
March 20, 2013
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im glad someone gets what im trying to say. and not just, 'im a juggalo, i support anything psychopathic does'
also, who the hell did the artwork for the new deck? its fucking horrible. i dont know where to start but its 10000x worse tehn the first deck. it looks like tehy slung it together in 15 minutes.
and what correlation does the new deck have to the dark carnival?
can someone tell me that, cause im lost.
1:28 am
March 20, 2013
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Guest said:
There are three versions of Milenko… four actually. Nothing new about that practice. At least now you get something different besides the cover art.
wasnt that because it was distributed over 4 different companies? which was a fuck up by management and not intended to happen.
i only knew of 2 to be honest. which was green and red.
Edit: and milenko was 10x the album either of teh new deck is.
just as a note, i actually really liked the tempest, dont judge me hahaha
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