for the most part I feel like J is how he is in his interviews and whatnot these days…just a chill dude…at the same time business is business…he explains the situation with Mars in Behind the Paint a little better (Mars also turned into a bitter little bitch after leaving and put out that wack ass diss song to J and Twiztid) as for the Twiztid thing…people get into arguments and shit happens…I wouldn’t look to J10 or w/e dudes name is as the source of any legit information…Lavel trashed J’s name too when he left the label as did Esham but they sure were buddies when they are on the label…Psychopathic is about as good as its gonna get for some of these artists so when shit happens and they have to leave the label a lot of them tend to turn into bitches about it (Skatterman also did this to Tech N9ne after leaving Strange)…comes down to a lot of jealously and misunderstanding IMO I’ve never met J in person though so can’t really judge for myself whether or not he’s an asshole…who cares though

I think a lot of people read into the ‘family’ stuff a bit much and assume all the artists on the label see themselves as family when in actuality they see themselves as artists trying to make a buck and get a come up…not that some of them aren’t actually homies in real life but you can usually tell who’s forcing shit and who isn’t

I dont think J is an asshole per se, I do think he has a complex where he has to be the center of everything. My theory for that is the following

ICP tracksa re 80/20 J and shaggs, not sure why the reasoning but it seems accurate.

in ICP interviews, J is front and center shaggy is off to the side only talks again about 20 percent of the time, J talks the rest. (ICP seminars as well)

Marz was probably the best singles artist psychopathic ever had access to, and he clicked with the juggalos from day one. tinfoil hat says J cant have people more talented than him on his label,

There is more but thats just some of my thoughts on J, he was mad cool when I got to chill wit him for a bit but i just think he has a complex.

MetalHorrorGuitarWhat said

LuckyNumbrXIII said
There’s two types of people: alpha type, beta type.  Alpha types are proactive, beta types are reactive.  If you have an alpha type (we gotta do this, we gotta do that, let’s try this, let’s go this way) and a beta type (that’s a good idea, that’s not a good idea, I can work with that, I like that, I don’t like that) you have a good formula for a group.  

For these examples, you must assume all people involved are talented:

If you have an alpha and a beta (Violent J (a) and Shaggy(b)), you can be productive and move forward.  It doesn’t mean shaggy is submissive or violent j is an asshole.  If shaggy was useless, he’d be gone.  He needs to be there to keep violent j grounded.  Perfect example, his refusal to participate in Kreayshawn Song.  Who knows?  If shaggy wasn’t around, that shit might have ended up on an album other than FF5. Maybe even the joker card.

 

If you have two alpha types (Violent J and Monoxide), you can’t be productive because everyone’s got an idea and needs to move towards it.  No one is being constructive and using one another’s ideas.  If someone says, “We gotta do this, sit down and do this,” and the other one’s like, “No, we gotta do that, let’s sit down and do that,” you end up with 20 beef threads about you on Faygoluvers and nothing to show for it.  It’s why Tech N9ne left Soopa Villainz, I’m certain, and it’s why Twiztid ultimately left the label.

 

If you have two beta types (Blaze and ABK), you are a Ferrari without the engine.  You’re capable of great things, but really… you have very little drive.  You need someone to collaborate with, or you won’t get shit done.  It isn’t that you aren’t talented, it’s just that your brain isn’t wired to prioritize, lay things out, and execute.  You need someone to put you back on track and move you forward.  

 

Really the biggest exception I see is Twiztid.  They are two alpha types where they’ve learned that when one is on, the other knows how to turn off.  When Monoxide gets the drive, Madrox seems able to switch gears to beta mode.  Vice versa, when Madrox gets drive, Mono knows how to be the b guy.  That’s probably why they’re able to do an album every year and tour like motherfuckers.  They’re sharing everything 50/50.  Doesn’t make them better.  It’s just fortunate that they found one another and work together like that.  It could be dangerous though… what if they both are very driven at the very same time?  I dunno… that might be why they made solo LPs a couple years ago?  

 

So, that’s my theory, and I think it works and is a good explanation.  So can we stop dumbing it down to “Violent J is a bear, Shaggy’s a twink,” “Violent J is an asshole,” and “Violent J needs to consume all life on planet earth to be happy,” shit?

Not sure if anyone on Faygoluvers, or even the people themselves would agree/disagree, but that is kinda on point for the most part.  I do wish Shaggy had more to do with ICP, but why break what works?  Blaze is hella good [and ABK isn’t bad either], but they are kinda gutted and not as driven.  Twiztid on the other hand is like a supercharged muscle car.  Whether people like them or not, they keep doing what they’re doing, getting better, and release a lot of consistent material.  As for leaving the label, I pretty much agree.  Whatever the case though, they all make it work for Dark Lotus.  Kinda sucks that out of those three, Blaze and ABK are kinda third tier to them, but both have some pretty interesting shit to off as well.  Whomever wants to can decide for themselves whether ICP or Twiztid are first tier, etc.

very well said. pretty much exactly my thoughts, just layed out in psychobabble. I approve

Miklo Velka said
BLAZE‘s old hypeman J10 had plenty to say about “Asshole” VIOLENT J in his lost Faygoluvers’ interview, here is the link to that-

[youtube]57jINWTD2p4[/youtube]

Edit: just noticed OP was already talkin bout the J10 stuff. At least now ninjas have the video to watch right here in the thread now. Best part for me,PSY telling J10 he wasn’t allowed to dance on stage while hyping BLAZE at HATCHET ATTACKS in Milwaukee.lol

I remember when that came out, I think its a mix of truth and disgruntled ex employee

People also don’t realize that not every artist that has left the label dissed J. Cold, Boondox, Zug, Myzery, AMB, that Sinizter guy, etc. As someone mentioned, it’s about ego and butthurts. Maybe some of it was initially justified, but then blown up to show the leaving person’s real ego. Maybe Marz was honest about the contract issue. Maybe Lavel refused a shitty offer from Psychopathic which was the same offer given to Blaze apparently.

Xanarki said
People also don’t realize that not every artist that has left the label dissed J. Cold, Boondox, Zug, Myzery, AMB, that Sinizter guy, etc. As someone mentioned, it’s about ego and butthurts. Maybe some of it was initially justified, but then blown up to show the leaving person’s real ego. Maybe Marz was honest about the contract issue. Maybe Lavel refused a shitty offer from Psychopathic which was the same offer given to Blaze apparently.

this…I’m not saying the business end of things at Psychopathic is perfect (it definitely isn’t) but to go from that to guys like Esham saying Violent J is a pedophile and that Twiztid had to let him rape them to get on the label is just stupid…Cold said he basically left because juggalos apparently weren’t into his shit so the label dropped him but said he had nothing but love for ICP…Lavel getting a shitty contract doesn’t justify him claiming Violent J is a racist and all that other bullshit…Marz may have had contract issues (J admits to contract issues in Behind the Paint) but for him to go off afterwards and call himself the real Dark Lotus and that other dumb stuff when J let him in the group as a favor basically is wack…and Marz wasn’t that great tbh…lyrics weren’t that great, he had a decent flow but all his shit was about sticking peoples thumbs up his ass…felt like he was trying too hard to be dark/weird and it just came across as desperate…I prefer his version of TFTLP over ABK’s any day though

I consider my self a human being that’s not easily categorized into stupid labels that people create so they can believe they understand the world around them a lot better.