You are free to explain to me anytime how these two are similar.

Otherwise, you have no justification for claiming I am wrong that the legs are different between the two. "That’s you making a claim with nothing hard to back it up"

The hanged man has a straightened back with his right leg straight and the left leg bent to make a 90 degree angle.
The clown has no straightened back and his legs are not making this 90 degree angle and his legs are only crossed at the shins.

The red and blue is interesting. In masonry, you have the red and blue lodges.

As for your last comment, I don't have to prove something isn't. You, or somebody else has to prove that something IS. That is how the burden of proof works. The onus probandi is a basic rule of philosophy.

I am not saying ICP wasn't involved in some type of youth mason group. I already said it was possible. We just need some further investigation. That's all. Where exactly did they grow up and were there any lodges around that may have accepted them? Remember by Dog Beats, Violent J was about 18 and Shaggy was about 16.

Bonesaw Wizardstick said

vinyllover said
I already did, fool. I pointed out how the guy in the clown mask on the Dog Beats cover does NOT...repeat...NOT look the same as the hanged man in the Tarot deck like he claimed. Stop being a butt hurt juggalo who is still mad at Twiztid for not going to the march, and is just upset that Chuck Reeves, Paul, Jamie, and myself have blown that whole stupid FBI list myth apart.

Oooo.  2 things, broseph:

1. That's not proof.  That's you making a claim with nothing hard to back it up.  You don't allow people to do that when debating you, so why is that suddenly a valid strategy when it's you doing it?

2. I'm a known Twizzler.  Ask anyone here who's met me in person.  

That's how trolls work... 

They hide their flaws by making lies about others....bonesaw is a hardcore mne dick rider....but is a psy dick rider too.... 

@vinylshiner

...and stop trying to bait a whoop outta me by putting my name in the middle of your rhetoric.

Interesting. I really should have thrown my hat into this arena sooner, seeing as how I'm a bit of a conspiracy nut myself....

ICP are Freemasons? Maybe. If so, sodafuqwat? There are scores of Free and Accepted Masons in every community, and the majority of them are benign. Godemis is a Freemason, and does very little to hide it. I've chided him on this fact in person.

There's a difference between Blue Lodge Masonry (Royal Arch, Scottish Rite) and Black Lodge Masonry (Order of Skull and Bones, elements within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the more fringe and recently excommunicated ranks of The Royal Court of Jesters and any body operating under the Masonic banner independent from a Grand Lodge or similar governing body). A lot of the spooky dark occult facets that people call muh luminaty pertain to Black Lodge Masonry. Remember that the 33rd Degree is considered "honorary" and thus transcends the Lodge system at that point. 

Reaching that point in ANY Masonic system requires years of study, philanthropy, and works to further the notion of Masonic Destiny in the eyes of the brotherhood. I promise that ICP is not that.

The overwhelming majority of modern Freemasonry is a boys club for networking, with all the pageantry surrounding it observed more out of tradition and requisition than a strict faith and observance of the underlying esoteric principals. It's really dull and not as glamorous, or insidious as one might think. Sure those elements exist, but not in the day to day minutiae of the Blue Lodges.

True practioners of Esoteric Freemasonry are rare, and not all are Dark Occultists. The symbology of Freemasonry, like Alchemy which preceded it, is a series of images meant to be decoded by the initiate to foster learning and spiritual growth. It has a lot of uses, and again, requires YEARS of sober contemplation to be truly understood.

An alternative to this theory is that J makes mention of a rich uncle who has helped his family along, but says little else about it. It's entirely possible that the Masonic influence comes from that part of his family, giving him fringe benefits of the Masonic community without actually being an initiate.

On the Tarot: Tarot is a system constructed and operating upon archetypes. Core elements that appeal to the collective unconscious. So it doesn't matter if the hanging clown was deliberately inspired by the art of the hanged man card (although it is interesting to note that the Dog Beats cover was inspired by an image in one of Mr. Bruce's dreams), the point is, the man in suspended inversion is a familiar and potent symbol that communicates with the observer whether or not any party involved has conscious awareness of it.

All that shit is man made so it doesn’t matter what anyone believes. There is no magic or angels or demons or unicorns or spirits or luck or any of that stuff that would make life more fun. Just a bunch of animals full of energy and electricity. In my opinion of course. 

kukluxklown said

THEN YOU NEED TO TRY DMT

OR MUSHROOMS & MEDITATION ATLEAST

IF YOU CANT DO THAT

THEN GO FOR A SENSORY DEPRIVATION TANK

AND SEE A REAL PSYCHIC.

SHITS WAY THE FUCK REAL HOMIE

INFACT INSANE CLOWN POSSE ENTIRE GIMMICK IS BASED OFF SHAMANIC JOURNEY ON DMT

DMT CLOWNS AND JOKERS IS WHERE THE IMAGES CAME FROM THAT WE NOW KNOW IN POP CULTURE

NO JOKE GET WOKE  

DMT bla...bla..brings you to higher consciousness... bla...bla..

It's a drug you idiot, it's changing the way your brain functions, so of course your senses will interpret things much differently. The same with Shrooms.

I've done both.

You people are the fucking worst man, I swear, lol.

A Lack of oxygen will also make you feel euphoria, does that mean you are traveling to another dimension or realm?

No, you are about to pass out, Idiot.

Don't confuse getting high with making first contact with inter dimensional beings man. What a moron.

"Hello, I'm KKKlown, I huff paint to open up the door way to other dimensions to speak to our joker and clown overlords.

They instruct me to type IN ALL CAPS."

Fuck outta here.

kukluxklown said

THEN YOU NEED TO TRY DMT

OR MUSHROOMS & MEDITATION ATLEAST

IF YOU CANT DO THAT

THEN GO FOR A SENSORY DEPRIVATION TANK

AND SEE A REAL PSYCHIC.

SHITS WAY THE FUCK REAL HOMIE

INFACT INSANE CLOWN POSSE ENTIRE GIMMICK IS BASED OFF SHAMANIC JOURNEY ON DMT

DMT CLOWNS AND JOKERS IS WHERE THE IMAGES CAME FROM THAT WE NOW KNOW IN POP CULTURE

NO JOKE GET WOKE  

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