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I must be dense because I’ve NEVER noticed this lol 

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-On the Shangri-La album The Wraith has horns, but on the Hell’s Pit album, The Wraith is hornless. Why is this?

-Also, the way the wraith’s hands are positioned: Is the Horned Wraith trying to invite you into Hell, but you have to go past him to shangri-la, whereas the Hornless Wraith is trying to drag you out of Hell’s Pit into Shangri-La?

The answer comes right from the very heart of Psychopathic Records and it’s gonna flip your wig! Drumroll and phat beat please… here it is:

The Wraith that appears on the cover of the Shangri-La album is actually the Dark Wraith, and the Wraith on the Hell’s Pit album is the Wraith of Purity. What!?! Now reach up into the stratosphere and reclaim your wig, and sit back for the rest of the flavor. You see, “Nerdy” was pretty close in her guess. The Wraiths that appear on the two sides (and two albums) of the sixth joker’s card are actually two different beings. The Wraith with horns on the Shangri-La album is the Dark Wraith, and he is trying to keep you from making it to Shangri-La. That’s why his hand is palm up, he’s waiting to raise his arm, cup his hand, and pull you down. Furthermore, the bird on his shoulder is facing to the left–the path of darkness. In turn, the Wraith on the Hell’s Pit album is the Pure Wraith, and his hand is turned palm down, as he waits to reach down and pull you up, away from Hell’s Pit. His bird faces to the right, the path of goodness. So one of the Wraiths will appear to guide you to that final destination, but he’s actually got a goal of his own!

source: https://web.archive.org/web/20060324042139/http://www.insaneclownposse.com/page.php?page_id=icp_atq_050309

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December 18, 2017
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some people don’t know? some people don’t care? I don’t care! ya-right

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The Warlock said

-On the Shangri-La album The Wraith has horns, but on the Hell’s Pit album, The Wraith is hornless. Why is this?

-Also, the way the wraith’s hands are positioned: Is the Horned Wraith trying to invite you into Hell, but you have to go past him to shangri-la, whereas the Hornless Wraith is trying to drag you out of Hell’s Pit into Shangri-La?

The answer comes right from the very heart of Psychopathic Records and it’s gonna flip your wig! Drumroll and phat beat please… here it is:

The Wraith that appears on the cover of the Shangri-La album is actually the Dark Wraith, and the Wraith on the Hell’s Pit album is the Wraith of Purity. What!?! Now reach up into the stratosphere and reclaim your wig, and sit back for the rest of the flavor. You see, “Nerdy” was pretty close in her guess. The Wraiths that appear on the two sides (and two albums) of the sixth joker’s card are actually two different beings. The Wraith with horns on the Shangri-La album is the Dark Wraith, and he is trying to keep you from making it to Shangri-La. That’s why his hand is palm up, he’s waiting to raise his arm, cup his hand, and pull you down. Furthermore, the bird on his shoulder is facing to the left–the path of darkness. In turn, the Wraith on the Hell’s Pit album is the Pure Wraith, and his hand is turned palm down, as he waits to reach down and pull you up, away from Hell’s Pit. His bird faces to the right, the path of goodness. So one of the Wraiths will appear to guide you to that final destination, but he’s actually got a goal of his own!

source: https://web.archive.org/web/20060324042139/http://www.insaneclownposse.com/page.php?page_id=icp_atq_050309  

How does that explain this

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I always thought of the wraith looking scary but once you put past the scary looks, like icp, its all enlightenment…like you cant judge a book by its cover type thing…also the “devil” tries to decieve people, so maybe “god” would do the same…ying/yang type shit

If yall died and saw two beings, one menacing looking and one “nice” looking, who would you go towards…maybe the “devils” last attempt to trick you into hells pit

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Ironically this video started playing as i made that last post, sums up my way of thinking on the situation.

“We are the gods that are deceiving”

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January 11, 2018
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SPOOKYtheFUNGI said

The Warlock said

-On the Shangri-La album The Wraith has horns, but on the Hell’s Pit album, The Wraith is hornless. Why is this?

-Also, the way the wraith’s hands are positioned: Is the Horned Wraith trying to invite you into Hell, but you have to go past him to shangri-la, whereas the Hornless Wraith is trying to drag you out of Hell’s Pit into Shangri-La?

The answer comes right from the very heart of Psychopathic Records and it’s gonna flip your wig! Drumroll and phat beat please… here it is:

The Wraith that appears on the cover of the Shangri-La album is actually the Dark Wraith, and the Wraith on the Hell’s Pit album is the Wraith of Purity. What!?! Now reach up into the stratosphere and reclaim your wig, and sit back for the rest of the flavor. You see, “Nerdy” was pretty close in her guess. The Wraiths that appear on the two sides (and two albums) of the sixth joker’s card are actually two different beings. The Wraith with horns on the Shangri-La album is the Dark Wraith, and he is trying to keep you from making it to Shangri-La. That’s why his hand is palm up, he’s waiting to raise his arm, cup his hand, and pull you down. Furthermore, the bird on his shoulder is facing to the left–the path of darkness. In turn, the Wraith on the Hell’s Pit album is the Pure Wraith, and his hand is turned palm down, as he waits to reach down and pull you up, away from Hell’s Pit. His bird faces to the right, the path of goodness. So one of the Wraiths will appear to guide you to that final destination, but he’s actually got a goal of his own!

source: https://web.archive.org/web/20060324042139/http://www.insaneclownposse.com/page.php?page_id=icp_atq_050309  

How does that explain this

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I always thought of the wraith looking scary but once you put past the scary looks, like icp, its all enlightenment…like you cant judge a book by its cover type thing…also the “devil” tries to decieve people, so maybe “god” would do the same…ying/yang type shit

If yall died and saw two beings, one menacing looking and one “nice” looking, who would you go towards…maybe the “devils” last attempt to trick you into hells pit  

There’s a saying, most likely derived from a biblical or other religious text, that says the road to hell is paved in gold, which most people take to be a warning against greed but I think it’s more like what you’re saying. It’s about enticing you.

The opposite road would be rough and rugged.

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January 11, 2018
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Noah Fence said

There’s a saying, most likely derived from a biblical or other religious text, that says the road to hell is paved in gold, which most people take to be a warning against greed but I think it’s more like what you’re saying. It’s about enticing you.

The opposite road would be rough and rugged.  

See i dont know shit about the bible except for what i heard “churchies” say and the bullshit rappers say. Im not well versed in any single religion…like tech n9ne said in the song “klusterfuk” i took all the bullshit religion offers,  boiled it down and made my own perception about that “god” shit…i truely believe we are our own “god” on this plane of reality.

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SPOOKYtheFUNGI said

The Warlock said

-On the Shangri-La album The Wraith has horns, but on the Hell’s Pit album, The Wraith is hornless. Why is this?

-Also, the way the wraith’s hands are positioned: Is the Horned Wraith trying to invite you into Hell, but you have to go past him to shangri-la, whereas the Hornless Wraith is trying to drag you out of Hell’s Pit into Shangri-La?

The answer comes right from the very heart of Psychopathic Records and it’s gonna flip your wig! Drumroll and phat beat please… here it is:

The Wraith that appears on the cover of the Shangri-La album is actually the Dark Wraith, and the Wraith on the Hell’s Pit album is the Wraith of Purity. What!?! Now reach up into the stratosphere and reclaim your wig, and sit back for the rest of the flavor. You see, “Nerdy” was pretty close in her guess. The Wraiths that appear on the two sides (and two albums) of the sixth joker’s card are actually two different beings. The Wraith with horns on the Shangri-La album is the Dark Wraith, and he is trying to keep you from making it to Shangri-La. That’s why his hand is palm up, he’s waiting to raise his arm, cup his hand, and pull you down. Furthermore, the bird on his shoulder is facing to the left–the path of darkness. In turn, the Wraith on the Hell’s Pit album is the Pure Wraith, and his hand is turned palm down, as he waits to reach down and pull you up, away from Hell’s Pit. His bird faces to the right, the path of goodness. So one of the Wraiths will appear to guide you to that final destination, but he’s actually got a goal of his own!

source: https://web.archive.org/web/20060324042139/http://www.insaneclownposse.com/page.php?page_id=icp_atq_050309  

How does that explain this

20180111_194447.jpgImage Enlarger

I always thought of the wraith looking scary but once you put past the scary looks, like icp, its all enlightenment…like you cant judge a book by its cover type thing…also the “devil” tries to decieve people, so maybe “god” would do the same…ying/yang type shit

If yall died and saw two beings, one menacing looking and one “nice” looking, who would you go towards…maybe the “devils” last attempt to trick you into hells pit  

The Wraith with horns on the Shangri-La album is the Dark Wraith, and he is trying to keep you from making it to Shangri-La. That’s why his hand is palm up, he’s waiting to raise his arm, cup his hand, and pull you down. Furthermore, the bird on his shoulder is facing to the left–the path of darkness.

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January 11, 2018
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Noah Fence said

There’s a saying, most likely derived from a biblical or other religious text, that says the road to hell is paved in gold, which most people take to be a warning against greed but I think it’s more like what you’re saying. It’s about enticing you.

The opposite road would be rough and rugged.  

“Most people in Hell were rich when they died, man!” – Violent J “17 Dead”

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Wraith on Hell’s Pit cover is cooler lookin. Still ICP’s best CD Packaging/Booklet IMO

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The Warlock said

The Wraith with horns on the Shangri-La album is the Dark Wraith, and he is trying to keep you from making it to Shangri-La. That’s why his hand is palm up, he’s waiting to raise his arm, cup his hand, and pull you down. Furthermore, the bird on his shoulder is facing to the left–the path of darkness.  

See i find that bird facing a certain direction is bullshit, cuz i believe that the “right” way is the wrong way…i always go left…guess thats the stoner in me

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Carnivalkilla44 said
Wraith on Hell’s Pit cover is cooler lookin. Still ICP’s best CD Packaging/Booklet IMO  

This is where i disagree, but i have a huge dislike of hells pit…its dope, but not as fr3sh as shangri la to me…im what people call a “light worker”, so i will always gravitate towards the good…plus there is too many songs on shangri la that hit me hard, like “we belong” that will sway my vote on the saga that was the original six

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You guys are so dense. You need to transcend both pillars (paths) Boaz and Jachin (left and right). Hell’s Pit and Shangri La are not those paths. Hell’s pit is The Void, and Shangri La is the perfect balance, hence why in Shangri La you can still be wicked. 

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cRyPtiC_tHe_CLoWn said
You guys are so dense. You need to transcend both pillars (paths) Boaz and Jachin (left and right). Hell’s Pit and Shangri La are not those paths. Hell’s pit is The Void, and Shangri La is the perfect balance, hence why in Shangri La you can still be wicked.   

Huh…never heard of boaz and jachin…imma have to learns me something new! This is why i love this site, ninjas from all walks of life got different perspectives to learns from! 

This is why i talk openly and try not to talk down on anyone cuz we can all learn from eachother

January 11, 2018
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cRyPtiC_tHe_CLoWn said
You guys are so dense. You need to transcend both pillars (paths) Boaz and Jachin (left and right). Hell’s Pit and Shangri La are not those paths. Hell’s pit is The Void, and Shangri La is the perfect balance, hence why in Shangri La you can still be wicked.   

It’s all story telling and metaphor. Shangri La isn’t this or that, it’s all pathetic human attempts at understanding things that scare us. There is no path. It’s make believe.

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January 11, 2018
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boaz yakin?

the guy that wrote and directed the [very, very good] 1994 movie ‘fresh’?  

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

January 11, 2018
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My take on it is that Shangri-La is a rap album, and Hell’s Pit is also a rap album.

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Bonesaw Wizardstick said    
My take on it is that Shangri-La is a rap album, and Hell’s Pit is also a rap album.      

holy fuckin shit…  

my mind…  

  

i mean, wow.  im shaking, here.  

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January 12, 2018
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Carnivalkilla44 said
Still ICP’s best CD Packaging/Booklet IMO  

That’s a pretty bold statement considering what all came with the bizaar/bizzar albums. Personally I’ve always thought they took the cake on what all can be put in just a CD case.

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If you look at the statue of Moses that Michaelangelo sculpted he has horns to represent when Moses’ face was shinning after being in the presence of god. I usually look at the Wraith: Shangri-la this manner and the absence of horns to be the Wraith in hell’s pit in the absence of god. 

I’m definitely not a churchie person but I have done my fair share of studies.

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