piggofdoom said
Am I the only one who didn’t think mwab was that wicked? It’s a good record, but it’s not really emotional or creepy, and usually J goes in for lotus records.

i enjoyed it. was definitely a dope release. something i was not expecting from another lotus album, it didnt feel strained or forced at all. id rank it on par with black rain and tftlp. i think opaque brotherhood is one of the most polarising releases from psy. your either absolutely love it or absolutely hate it. 

thats what this thread should been. Opaue brotherhood. Phat or Whack?

havoc00 said
For those who didnt enjoy it any specific reasons why? Beats rhymes content etc…? 

I enjoyed the fact it was teh first psy supergroup. it felt like a completely cohesive project, everyone knew what to do and where to put what. but now looking back it was probably J standing over everyone in the booth with a shotgun.

J was saying in the book how he was at a very dark time in his life at that point. Overweight, not eating right, panic attacks began rearing their ugly heads, the drama, feeling lost without The Sixth conceptualized, starting to feel the effects of.getting old, albums flopping, etc. 

We all have songs that we love or once loved that are tainted by memories of people or situations at that time. One bitch almost ruined some great music by K-OS, Wu-Tang and others for me. The Opaque Brotherhood, one of my favorite albums, arrived at my home.in NC a couple weeks after my brother died. The album is top notch, but it is capable of bringing me to a place that is indescribable in its sadness. Along with “Dont You Wish it was True?” by John Fogerty, “No One” by Alicia Keys. Just absolute soul crushing at the wrong moments. So I get why J doesnt care to listen to TFTLP. Music is like a sixth sense in how it can enact emotional nostalgia. Like the sense of smell. It is overpowering.

But still, Novo, in response to.your question: The Opaque Brotherhood? PHAT.

And Tales and Black Rain both had those more lighthearted tracks, most of which I like, but I think thats important for the overall vibe of Dark Lotus shows. The very first one in 2001, where they played not just Lotus tracks but collabos, like Hounddogs, 85 Bucks an Hour, Spin the Bottle, i swear Twiztid even did Murder Murder Murder during the Lotus set. Anyone else remember? 

Once again, however, I can do without goddamned Doornail Dorothy. Debbie in the Dark would kick that bitches’ ass.

A weird one the other day, at the dispensary I met my very first Marguerite, and she had me write her name for a sign up sheet. We all discussed her name and laughed. That same night my wife was watching Annie, id never seen it, and there was a part where they are watching an old flick in a theater, and the lady was named Marguerite. Weird.

Obviously we can’t agree on that, but I will say TFTLP with Marz is right up there with Wizard of the Hood, Great Milenko, and W.I.C.K.E.D. as one of my favorite Psy releases.

I didn’t expect to be so in the minority with that opinion, either.

marz was an opening act on bizzar bizaar tour. he had a band that backed him up and his style was sort of rap metal.  he had an album at the time called ‘lung fu mo she’ that sounded really dope to me at the time, but has lost its flair over the years.  he got put on lotus, and was going to be put on psy. psy even hyped him up by putting one of his songs on the psy sampler of 2001. then at the gathering 2001, marz performed without his band and in facepaint, as well as performing with lotus. if i’m not mistaken, this is the only time he peformed with lotus & he was basically out of the group weeks after the album was released due to some disagreement.  then he put out an icp diss song where he claims that he himself is the 6th joker card. it was pretty bad.

Nemo said
Obviously we can’t agree on that, but I will say TFTLP with Marz is right up there with Wizard of the Hood, Great Milenko, and W.I.C.K.E.D. as one of my favorite Psy releases.
I didn’t expect to be so in the minority with that opinion, either.

You are not alone sir.