TeamSesh904 said
Who believes in it?

Not me. Many double blind scientific test have been done regarding magic and psychic abilities but not one holds up to true scientific tests. Some seem to when you eliminate the double blind criteria due to the beliefs of the target subjects involved. The same holds true in praying for someone who is sick to get better. In the double blind scientific tests there was absolutely no increase in the amount of people who recovered that were prayed for verses those that recovered with no praying done.

If someone thinks they can prove that it exists or that any supernatural things exist then they are welcome to attempt to acquire the James Randi Million Dollar prize. He’s had the offer standing since 1964 and many people have tried but not one has even come close to proving anything supernatural, psychic, or magical.

It’s fun to believe in such stuff but it is not real.

TeamSesh904 said  
I feel like anythings possible.    

i feel that saying ‘i feel’ doesnt count as proof.  

who knows?    

james randi.  

there’s all kinds of weird shit in the world that cant be explained.    

not ‘cant be’, ‘hasnt been yet’.  

and, most likely, a lot of the stuff that you have categorized as ‘weird shit’ has been explained, you just havent heard the explanation.  

I believe in it. Either that and/or I’m a schizophrenic. I read some things about black magic but then again there is science involved so I don’t know. I put together a spell and I fucked it up so I don’t know if because of that some shit has been haywire. I’m a believer in karma as well so I try to be good but shit I don’t know.

magic is more effective than logic and thought?  

do a trick;  collect that million.  

Whutuptho said
A true magician follows only his true will, it is the law of the universe. Collecting that million is not my true will therefore it is not achievable. Magick takes place within, your within transform your reality, I cannot show a person through his physical senses the magick that happens within me. 

Is that magic or just consciousness expansion on a personal level. It seems your definition of magic is different than mine. If it has no observable change that is quantifiable and repeatable or at least causes a change in the observable universe with absolute certainty, then I would not define it as magic.

@whutuptho , can you state something observable that you can make happen with magic that we can verify? Tell us what you are going to make happen and then we can see if it is real or not when it does or does not happen.

Whutuptho said
To cause a change in the outer macro universe you have to change the inner micro universe which is yourself. You align yourself with your wishes and the universe responds. Its really simple everybody does it some of us just go pro and use tools to better the results. I want to be involved in the independent music scene so badly that everything I do revolves around grooming myself to be perfect vessel for such experiences and slowly but surely I am being drawn to the tools and people I need to make it happen. Thats everyday magick. I meditate and use methods to quite my mind with the intention of bypassing the thinking mind so I can pull down the creative energies from the subconscious , I ritually write down my feelings and do mental exercises, I study everything from tarot to kabbalah and use the cards to communicate with myself, thats pro magick. We all do it, so why not pick up the tools to do it better. It is a personal thing, you work to put yourself in a better position by psychologically shaping your thoughts and action to let it happen but like I said its more effective and fun to not be so mechanical about it.

Idk if I answered your questions 

@whutuptho , Yep. That did answer my questions. Thanks. We definitely have different definitions of magic.

Props for using the tarot for something other than cartomancy. The tarot (Major Arcana especially) are perfect representations of the paths on the Tree of Life. I am not personally into the tarot but the intended use of it as more of a book than for fortune telling fits more into my beliefs.