loooool yeah thats a great song & album.. def one of the darkest beats theyve spit over..

"toy box" & "3 rings" are replaceable.... theyre cool songs def listen-to-able but replaceable/skippable other than that def one of their best albums tho..

i dont dislike 'em theyre just not on the same level as the rest of the tracks imo

haha but yeah hopefully one day..

Old shit tour came nowhere near me, closest state was Ohio I think. I'm not traveling all the way there for just one show, although I'm starting to think I should've. Wish I could've seen that shit. All the shows I've been to I've never seen them perform 12

12, usually I would write paragraphs about why I love a song, and analyze it objectively.. but I'm gonna rant off on a tangent instead.

With ICP's huge catalog of 500+ songs, I don't see why people get so upset over others opinions. (not saying anybody here is guilty of that) Personally I love just about everything they've released, with the exception of "Juggalo" songs, reppin the underground songs, and songs pertaining to "God" (At least in a heavy christian sense). Probably why I don't understand why people think Twiztid makes better music, when many of their catalog is just juggalo circle jerk songs. (I still appreciate most of their music too though)

Fucking can't stand shit like "Juggalo Island". I love the change in sound, the vibes of the song are nice, and the verses are funny.. but.. when I hear 'juggalo' nowadays I just think.. narrowminded uneducated hick sheeple. The irony is that a juggalo was supposedly the very opposite of that description. I still give juggalos I meet the benefit of the doubt though, even though most seem to ignorant and obnoxious. Not even friendly either. It sucks that when i hear the word juggalo, I get upset, especially when I claim to be a juggalo myself.

As far as the "God" comment, I love "Thy Unveiling" because it presents "God" in a 'universal energy' sense. They use the word in a way so that is can be interpreted by the listener as they please no matter what your beliefs are. With shit like "Where's God?" I cringe. I'm not religious, but I do consider myself 'spiritual' or into theoretical sciences. The song "If I Was God" is okay though. Why? Well, it's purely entertaining. I know Violent J is making a reference to being the christian God, but because it's so fantasy.. lyrically I love it. It's fun. "Wheres God" and the new Hallowicked single "Amber Alert" seems to be soOOoOOo preachy and with the idea that J is 'christian'.. I can't help but skip over that song because it doesn't fit right with my personal beliefs. It's the fact that they refer to "God" as a "he", that pisses me off. If they used the word as it is I wouldn't mind because I can feel the song within my interpretation.

As for the underground themed songs. I don't fucking care if ICP was on Mickey Mouse House, Psychopathic, or something else. I just want creative and fun music. Well, maybe I would be pissed if ICP and juggalos were making money for evil corporations.. but they don't need to tell me about it all the time in their music.

Lastly, addressing my Twiztid comment. Look, I love Twiztid. They are unique, talented as fuck, funny, clever, and wicked.. but I don't need to hear "FAMILY" and "JUGGALO" every fucking verse. I also hate how they talk about the rap game in all their songs too. I could really care less Monoxide if you think you're cooler then the mainstream. ICP are violators of this too but, just not as bad in my eyes. Abominationz was beyond impressive but I won't lie.. I can't get into some of the lyrics.. with the exception of the gore/murder shit. 

Yes, maybe I am blowing the use of those phrases out of proportion, and maybe I'm even a hypocrite with the whole "juggalo" culture if I claim to be one. All I know is I love the music, but the people who have migrated into the scene have ruined a lot of it for me personally.

I can dig what you are saying but have a few problems with it. Twiztid has a lot fewer "juggalo circle jerk" songs as you so eloquently put it, than icp. Green book doesn't mention juggalos one time.

I.D and W.I.C.K.E.D both have one juggalo song each, and again after that they are not mentioned on the whole cd's. I never listened to H and H enough to memorize but can't remember them mentioning juggalo. Mirror Mirror? none that I can recall

Secondly the notion that J claims to be or acts like a christian is wrong as well. You've surely heard "my shine"   "Truth is i've never been to any churches-'cept for some chicken- I don't trust no one- tell a priest eat a dick- and spit some old school esham on his ass- I'll even use bible papers when im twisting my grass"

"the people who have migrated into the scene have ruined alot of it for me personally"

Don't let it bother you bro. Juggalos are individuals first, family second.

To quote mono " What it means to me- really don't matter to nobody but me"

Just drown out the nonsense, put some headphones on close your eyes and open your ears

Man y'all are straying from the point. You have to stretch to find these "juggalo circle jerk" songs. Their albums aren't fucking laden with them that's for damn sure.

I'm not disagreeing with y'all btw

In one of the weekly freekly's they said they recorded something like over 30 songs (correct me if I'm remembering wrong) for Hell's Pit. All we got was Feels So Right and Bodies Fly on FF4 and the 17 tracks on the main album. I want to hear what else they recorded. Maybe if they ever release that box set we'll get them. People originally thought Burning Up was the sequel to 12 but it had nothing to do with it.12 is awesome.

Juggalo songs are the worst. They were funny and clever on Milenko as well as the little shout outs on earlier albums. And meant something around the AJB era because that's when it was ICP vs the world and juggalos were behind them 100%. But after that it just felt like exploiting the fans and that they were really trying to sell the "family lifestyle" (which they did and is the worst thing to ever happen to the scene and music, now people think it's a religion LOL fuckin stupid). "Juggalo jerk off songs" is a correct description. Twiztid's been guilty of it too and imo were the front runners for the whole family garbage but in recent years they've cut wayyyy back. Nowa days they might say juggalo or fam like once an album. That makes their music a lot better and I hope they stop completely being off Psychopathic. I wish ICP would go back to just being INSANE Clown Posse when dope music was all that mattered instead of trying to appeal to everyone but it's too late for them. They'll never stop making lame shit like Juggalo Island and Juggalo Juice because there's a sect of fans that buy in to it and take it seriously. The ones who justify their entire existence by being a juggalo. Day dreaming about juggalo islands is like sex to them and ICP will never stop exploiting them and taking their money.