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March 5, 2019
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krunkazphuk said
Yet another thread derailed into Trump derangement oblivion. Well, when in Rome:

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Jokes on you, I’m a staunch capitalist. Acknowledging you’re garbage and that you can’t articulately defend why you aren’t garbage doesn’t constitute Trump derangement syndrome. I often defen his administrations domestic policies, doesn’t mean I can’t recognize garbage when I see it. Just calling it for what it is babe. 😁

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Yeah bitches, im that short gentleman mentioned in that youtube video.

And the very nice, level headed guy from that other youtube video.

March 6, 2019
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I wanna speak on the black crime statistic.

 

1 Those statistics are based on who's incarcerated, not on who's doing more crime. Huge difference. If black people are targeted or seen as more criminal of course they will be caught more often.

2 I doubt it states how many black people are falsely incarcerated. With rumors, and even proof do to the fact that chest cams record a few minutes after they get turned off, of cops planting evidence on minorities it puts that statistic into question.

3 How many white people get a way with crimes that black people wouldn't get away with? Very important. There are statistics showing that black people are more likely to be sentenced and are often times given harsher sentences than white people. There might be different variables to that but it's still something to consider. Anecdotal evidence, but I've known a white person who got away with drunk driving a truck into a pole and the cop who found him hid his gun, his weed and I think he had cocaine on him too that got hidden before the other police got there. The cop that found him knew him though. Which leads me into...

4 Rich people and people with connections don't get convicted as often and black people, for the historic reasons you've already acknowledged, don't have those same privileges as much. Of course a lot of race issues come back to wealth inequality issues. Our system is built in a way that it works against the lower class and tries to keep them at the bottom especially if they are a minority. A lot of racist issues that kept black people from prospering in the past are still happening today in more complex forms. An example is the fact that real estate agents often times refused to show black people homes in upper class neighborhoods because it was believed that black people bring the property value down in the past. Now days Wells Fargo was recently busted for not offering the same home loans that they'd offer white people to black people even if their credit was perfect. They would only offer the low income adjustable interest rate loans. The same ones that caused the housing market to crash in 2008.

 

I don't know, it's a much more complex issue than what we see on the surface and of course statistics don't always tell us the complete truth.

I don't agree with Republicans on most things, but one of my biggest critiques of the Republican party is the fact that most won't disavow the white supremacist movement happening on their side. You did that though. Maybe a bit more radically then you should, but you still did. Cheers on that. Though, you can't just threaten people for supporting Trump. It's very one dimensional, self righteous and inconsiderate. That kind of behavior is just going to push them further towards that direction.

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March 7, 2019
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1. Yes I absolutely agree black people are targeted by police more then white people for crime due to my previous comments on stereotyping. They know black people, especially those who dress and present themselves a certain way, are more likely to be participating in criminal activity. This can actually be a useful tool in cracking down on crime, but is absolutely inexcusable in a just and truly free society. It is still true however by basically every measure I’ve seen statistically that black people do commit crime at a higher rate per capita then white (due to issues/challenges previously discussed).

2. Cops are more often then not pieces of shit - men with small dicks and an inferiority complex - they fuck with everyone, myself included. If they think you aren’t connected and they can get away with it, they’ll treat you like gestapo. I’m white and I suffer from police harassment on the regular, have for over 10 years, my entire adult life. I am under the assumption cops are no more/less “racist” then the average population (which is to say fairly contingent upon where you live). Hell, the only person I’ve ever seen killed by the cops (or to be more specific: the only person I’ve ever seen murdered with my own two eyes for that matter) was a white guy. Not saying unjustified fucked up shit don’t happen to black people, it does, but it also happens to everyone, cops are assholes. The fact black people suffer from it more often is because of what we addressed in #1

3. Yes I completely agree that white collar crime should be prosecuted equally as blue collar. Which is why black people who commit the latter at a much higher rate are incarcerated far more often then white people who are guilty of FAR FAR more of the prior. And one is not necessarily worse then the other by any means. Which is the bigger issue, not judges and prosecutors being racist. I’m far more likely to believe in modern day America that these types of people make their decisions based upon which defense lawyers take them out to dinner on the reg and are in their pockets etc, which I can assure you public defenders are NOT lol, which brings us to...

4. I don’t think in modern day America that racism is super prevalent (unless you go to the Deep South and/or Donald Trumps base) we are in fact probably the least racist country on earth to be totally honest. I don’t think we have a government system built against anyone. We have no laws on the books that discriminate against anyone, in fact if you’re caught in one of those housing type schemes you mentioned make no mistake you WILL BE sued, it happed to The Donald in the 80’s for EXACTLY that as a matter a fact, for discrimination against blacks for residency in his buildings. Or if you just do happen to be slick enough to avoid the law in some crazy loophole if the public knows about it you will almost certainly never be able to do business again because you will be ostracized, and rightfully so. There is no culturally excepting melting pot like this county on earth, trust me, I’m pretty well educated and traveled. Systematic racism is not nearly as big a boogie man as Democrats make it out to be. It’s a very small obstacle to overcome in this privledged nation compared to almost anywhere else you could be a citizen of. The problems black people face are the same as almost anyone else in poor/lower class America, white people included. It’s like starting a game of monopoly but some people already have most of the money and property on the board and you have jack shit, who do you think is gonna have tons of money and property still and who is gonna be stuck paying money at every turn and getting nowhere despite how long you play the game?! I think we all know the answer... some just make it their absolute goal and don’t give up, get incredibly lucky, and overcome the odds. But as my last post made sure to address, there is historical reasons behind why black people as a whole face these obstacles more then white Americans who have a much higher percentage of the population well off.

I acknowledge fully that there is rampant racism within the Republican Party, has been my entire life. And the Left uses this absolutely true fact as club to paint all Republicans/conservatives as rasist or condoning racism. A fair number of us don’t, we’re the Never Trumpers. The Republicans who have dignity and didn’t sell out their moral values. And I’m not worried about pushing Trump supporters away. They’re a lost cause. Even if they disagree with blatant racist things he says the fact they give him a pass for it speaks directly to their moral fiber and character. People who condone racism or turn a blind eye to it are every bit as guilty. They should all die. If these cowards do post pics of themselves online before they go to the gathering I will gladly post a pic of myself...let’s see how many random Juggalos I can get to do a massive stomp out of fake ass Juggahoes who condone racist rhetoric, I’m betting a HUGE crowd 😁

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JuggaloJ said
... Even if they disagree with blatant racist things he says the fact they give him a pass for it speaks directly to their moral fiber and character. 

Ok. I have to ask. Please provide the quotes of the "blatant racist things" that he has said. I have heard him speak bad of nations, but not on race.

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JuggaloJ said
... Even if they disagree with blatant racist things he says the fact they give him a pass for it speaks directly to their moral fiber and character. 

Ok. I have to ask. Please provide the quotes of the "blatant racist things" that he has said. I have heard him speak bad of nations, but not on race.  

Well, just saying we don’t need more people from shithole counties IS RACIST, you’re just too much of a moron to not see how saying that BECAUSE a certain person is from an impoverished country they MUST be of poor quality. That is stereotyping and blatant racism.

Fear mongering to his racist base by painting illegal Mexicans as rapist and murders and SOME are good people he “assumes” 

Saying that the mother of that fallen soldier probably wasn’t able to speak (because she was Muslim) 

Telling people most recently to be afraid because of (unsubstantiated) claims there were prayer rugs found out the border. Which means in his (and his bases) mind that 

Prayer rugs = muslims, Muslims = terrorists

I got more should I keed going or just wait for you to try and defend these comments? 

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Oh, and while you’re at it justify the dog whistling and pandering to racists. Why did he suddenly have amnesia about who David Duke was when he was doing ralley’s in the south just before the election 🤔 explain that one to me buddy...oh wait, I bet you can’t, cause you support an unjustifiable man, because you yourself a poor quality human being, and I’m sure so is the family that raised you and any family of your own you currently have. Apple don’t fall far from the tree.

March 7, 2019
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As usual, another thread disintegrates into

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Thanks for conceding you have no defense of said statements and are an admitted piece of trash. Acceptance is the first step. And the point of ur meme actually is a point I already made, I agree black people have it better here then anywhere, but I can still acknowledge our President and his supporters are trash, funny how that works? 

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Willing to bet none of you cowards post a defense of said statements, because they’re  undefendable. 

The dumb Trump supporting female had to resort to typical Trumpian tactic of not using  intellect just shifting to dumb mindless meme...

When it gets close to gathering time I’ll remind y’all to post pics, don’t pussy out then too 

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Well, just saying we don’t need more people from shithole counties IS RACIST, you’re just too much of a moron to not see how saying that BECAUSE a certain person is from an impoverished country they MUST be of poor quality. That is stereotyping and blatant racism.

How is that racist. That is in reference to a country, not a race. That is a fact.

Are you sure I am a moron? I am willing to take any test that measures any aspect of intelligence or even cognitive abilities with you.  Not that it would really determine anything, but it would at least give you an idea where I am in relation to you in the particular areas of abilities that the tests examine. Maybe after that, depending on the results, I would accept your claim of me being a moron.

Fear mongering to his racist base by painting illegal Mexicans as rapist and murders and SOME are good people he “assumes” 

Again... A country. Not a race. If you assume the entire country is of a particular race, then maybe you are the racist. 

Saying that the mother of that fallen soldier probably wasn’t able to speak (because she was Muslim) 

Muslim, a religion... again, not a race. ... 

Telling people most recently to be afraid because of (unsubstantiated) claims there were prayer rugs found out the border. Which means in his (and his bases) mind that 

Prayer rugs = muslims, Muslims = terrorists

I got more should I keed going or just wait for you to try and defend these comments?   

His exact tweet was: Border rancher: “We’ve found prayer rugs out here. It’s unreal.” Washington Examiner People coming across the Southern Border from many countries, some of which would be a big surprise.

He said that people are coming from many countries. Again, not race. He quoted someone who made reference to a religion. He, himself, referred to countries. Not race.

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Willing to bet none of you cowards post a defense of said statements, because they’re  undefendable.

I just logged in. I saw your reply. I posted.  There was really nothing to defend. You are equating race with religion and nationality. Some would find that, in itself, racist. 

Have you ever met me? Are you sure i am a coward? Many on here have met me. Maybe you should ask some of the people on here.

The dumb Trump supporting female had to resort to typical Trumpian tactic of not using  intellect just shifting to dumb mindless meme...

And you have met her? I have. I am married to her. While people on here tend to not like me bringing this up, I will do it anyway. In college she never made anything less than a perfect score on any test she took. Perfect GPA. She took many advanced science and math classes. Highest levels of calculus and physics. Academically, there are very few who can compete against her. Dumb is not a label I would apply to her. And yes, she uses "memes". Memes can be fun to create and are a good way to see, via people's reactions, where they stand. 

When it gets close to gathering time I’ll remind y’all to post pics, don’t pussy out then too   

There are plenty of threads where we have posted our pictures. I'm sure you can find them if you really want to see who we are. We'll be at the Gathering and like Scottie D, we always camp in the Ballas section.  We're not difficult to find. 

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You may think that I am racist or Islamophobic or whatever. But get to know me and you will learn that I am "racially" a mutt with a good chunk of Hispanic ancestral background. I don't care what race anyone is. I don't even care about religion. I hang out with (outside of work) more Muslims than any other group. My daughter and I study Goju Ryu in an dojo where she and I are the only non Muslims. They don't just accept us, and we don't just accept them... They are family to us. We are family to them. You have to be since martial arts are so up close and personal.  

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Since you have said you are Republican, I wanted to know what your definition of Republican is. I have stated so many times that people are sick of me defining it, but I am a classicist Republican in that I ascribe to Plato's definition of a Republic. Just wondering what your take on Republic-anism is. Just as there is a wide spectrum of views in the Democratic party, I have found that the Republican party is just as diverse. 

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And you have met her? I have. I am married to her. While people on here tend to not like me bringing this up, I will do it anyway. In college she never made anything less than a perfect score on any test she took. Perfect GPA. She took many advanced science and math classes. Highest levels of calculus and physics. Academically, there are very few who can compete against her. Dumb is not a label I would apply to her. And yes, she uses "memes". Memes can be fun to create and are a good way to see, via people's reactions, where they stand. 

Well I mean...I aced Calculus and Physics in college and the AP courses in high school as well as AP English and AP History and got a master's degree in a difficult field of study for which I got hired for a job 2 weeks after walking the stage for graduation.  And you've met me and know that I'm about as sharp as a bowling ball.  It's just a matter of finding out what the teachers / professors want out of you and doing well on specific testing.

For instance, I work in a field heavily based on mathematics and do math every day, and I have never once been asked to convert an unknown curve into sigma notation and take the integral, have never had to write a Fibonacci Sequence, have never needed to know how to calculate the trajectory of a ball bearing launched out of a slingshot where they didn't tell me the tension of the bands, and haven't even been asked to solve an inequality expressed as a limit.  Even one single time.  But you bet your ass I knew all of that shit when I knew I was going to be asked about it on a test to maintain my GPA.

And for the history and english, they have this cool thing called Google that makes that not necessary to be able to memorize and regurgitate information which is how you ace those classes.

So I guess that point is a lil shaky if you gnome saiyan.

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"How is that racist. That is in reference to a country, not a race. That is a fact."

Pivot is what you did here. Not an intellectual argument. ADDRESS THE IMPLICATIONS you coward. He said "why do we need PEOPLE from shithole counties" As I stated what he is 100% clearly implying is BECAUSE a certain person is from an impoverished country they MUST be of poor quality. That is stereotyping and blatant racism.

So is that true? Do YOU think that because someone is from a country who's government is run like shit all their people must be total shit? Or do you condemn that type of rhetoric and any person that spews it? I bet you don't.

"Again… A country. Not a race. If you assume the entire country is of a particular race, then maybe you are the racist." 

If were both going to be completely factual here he was commenting on illegal immigrants, but again you're a coward who pivoted away from the POINT. 

Do YOU thank that illegal immigrant are by large rapists and murderers with SOME being good people you "assume"? Or do you think that its mostly people in a desperate situation fleeing to a land they see as hope with SOME being bad people as you would find in any population? Which is it?

"His exact tweet was: Border rancher: “We’ve found prayer rugs out here. It’s unreal.” Washington Examiner People coming across the Southern Border from many countries, some of which would be a big surprise.He said that people are coming from many countries. Again, not race. He quoted someone who made reference to a religion. He, himself, referred to countries. Not race."

You know I do perfectly understand the difference between race and religion. Glad your more worried again about PIVOTING LIKE A COWARD to semantics versus the POINT

Do YOU agree Muslim women in America who are grieving over the loss of their son patriotically sacrificing his life for our country should be stereotyped? And do YOU truly believe that he wasn't insinuating we should be afraid because Prayer rugs = Muslims, Muslims = terrorists, if you don't that's willful blindness and you're not such a moron that you cant see it, you just choose to cover for it.

"And you have met her? I have. I am married to her. While people on here tend to not like me bringing this up, I will do it anyway. In college she never made anything less than a perfect score on any test she took. Perfect GPA. She took many advanced science and math classes. Highest levels of calculus and physics. Academically, there are very few who can compete against her. Dumb is not a label I would apply to her. And yes, she uses “memes”. Memes can be fun to create and are a good way to see, via people’s reactions, where they stand. " 

I myself was a (near) perfect GPA student as an undergrad, still am, want a cookie? If she's good at calculus she got me there. But people can be good with numbers and still idiots when it comes to common sense, she definitely seems to fall in this category. What did I already say about any family you had? You're just proving me absolutely correct. smile

"There are plenty of threads where we have posted our pictures. I’m sure you can find them if you really want to see who we are. We’ll be at the Gathering and like Scottie D, we always camp in the Ballas section.  We’re not difficult to find."

I don't need to go stalking bro, we'll find out then.

"You may think that I am racist or Islamophobic or whatever. But get to know me and you will learn that I am “racially” a mutt with a good chunk of Hispanic ancestral background. I don’t care what race anyone is. I don’t even care about religion. I hang out with (outside of work) more Muslims than any other group. My daughter and I study Goju Ryu in an dojo where she and I are the only non Muslims. They don’t just accept us, and we just don’t accept them… They are family to us. We are family to them. You have to be since martial arts are so up close and personal."

Again, want a cookie? You can have Muslims that think you're a friend because you act kindly to their face, but your lack of condemning blatant racist/Islamophobic rhetoric (which I've had to hold your hand and spell out for you now) and willfully turning a blind eye to it shows you are indeed a person of low moral dignity.  

"Since you have said you are Republican, I wanted to know what your definition of Republican is. I have stated so many times that people are sick of me defining it, but I am a classicist Republican in that I ascribe to Plato’s definition of a Republic. Just wondering what your take on Republic-anism is. Just as there is a wide spectrum of views in the Democratic party, I have found that the Republican party is just as diverse"

That's far to nuance a question to paint broadly, but ya know, free speech, limited government, free markets, gun rights, etc.

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He's messing with ya.  Notice the whole thing acknowledges that it's discriminating against a large group of people, but you're wrong because you said "racist."  It's all "nope, he's discriminating against the country of Mexico.  That's not racist."  "Nope, he's discriminating against Islamic people.  That's not racist."  "He's discriminating against people from the inner city.  That's not racist."

That's fully acknowledging what you're getting at while wording it in a way that makes your points seem invalid even though they are not.

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He's messing with ya.  Notice the whole thing acknowledges that it's discriminating against a large group of people, but you're wrong because you said "racist."  It's all "nope, he's discriminating against the country of Mexico.  That's not racist."  "Nope, he's discriminating against Islamic people.  That's not racist."  "He's discriminating against people from the inner city.  That's not racist."

That's fully acknowledging what you're getting at while wording it in a way that makes your points seem invalid even though they are not.  

My points are not invalid, as I am glad you recognize. What you are referring to is his pivot techniques to shift the talking point by only arguing semantics, not the implications of said statements. He, like his wife, has no intellect to speak of. 

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"How is that racist. That is in reference to a country, not a race. That is a fact."

Pivot is what you did here. Not an intellectual argument. ADDRESS THE IMPLICATIONS you coward. He said "why do we need PEOPLE from shithole counties" As I stated what he is 100% clearly implying is BECAUSE a certain person is from an impoverished country they MUST be of poor quality. That is stereotyping and blatant racism.

So is that true? Do YOU think that because someone is from a country who's government is run like shit all their people must be total shit? Or do you condemn that type of rhetoric and any person that spews it? I bet you don't. 

You clearly said "blatant" racism and are now saying you were talking implications? And I am the one pivoting? If you are going to discount semantics and go into what you believe someone was implying, then you are not even trying to debate.  And by every definition, what I gave was an intellectual argument. I have no idea what to call what you are saying. It is by no means intellectual or an argument. Yes, I am using semantics but without it, we devolve into suppositions and emotional outbursts which from your consistent use of  calling me a coward, seems to be what you are doing.  

And I do not condemn any rhetoric of any kind. I want people to say exactly what they want without restriction. I will, though, say I disagree with what he said.  

"Again… A country. Not a race. If you assume the entire country is of a particular race, then maybe you are the racist." 

If were both going to be completely factual here he was commenting on illegal immigrants, but again you're a coward who pivoted away from the POINT. 

Do YOU thank that illegal immigrant are by large rapists and murderers with SOME being good people you "assume"? Or do you think that its mostly people in a desperate situation fleeing to a land they see as hope with SOME being bad people as you would find in any population? Which is it? 

Again, you are projecting, The point of my query was about the "blatant" racism when I asked for examples. That is all I inquired about. What you gave was not that. 

I do not think that those are the only two choices but to answer your question within the interrogative constraints  you have given, I do not think that illegal immigrants are by large rapists and murderers.  I would go with the latter of people in a desperate situation. 

"His exact tweet was: Border rancher: “We’ve found prayer rugs out here. It’s unreal.” Washington Examiner People coming across the Southern Border from many countries, some of which would be a big surprise.He said that people are coming from many countries. Again, not race. He quoted someone who made reference to a religion. He, himself, referred to countries. Not race."

You know I do perfectly understand the difference between race and religion. Glad your more worried again about PIVOTING LIKE A COWARD to semantics versus the POINT

There are those "coward" references again. And again with the "pivot". I addressed your response to my inquiry about "blatant racism". In no way did I pivot. It was you who changed the parameters of the debate from blatant to implications. From race to nationality and religion. 

Do YOU agree Muslim women in America who are grieving over the loss of their son patriotically sacrificing his life for our country should be stereotyped? And do YOU truly believe that he wasn't insinuating we should be afraid because Prayer rugs = Muslims, Muslims = terrorists, if you don't that's willful blindness and you're not such a moron that you cant see it, you just choose to cover for it.

I never said what I "believe". I addressed each point of your examples of what you said was "blatant racism". I merely pointed out that they were not racist. They may be (and most likely are) nationalistic. I can see the argument that they are signs of religious fear. But they are not examples of blatant racism.

You have gone from "blatant racism" to "implications" and "insinuating" of things that do not define as racism. I am not sure we can have any type of reasonable debate. I am used to academic debates where such changes (or as you have seemed to have projected upon me, pivots) would not be allowed. Semantics is key to any debate. 

You do not seem to know me at all. You have no idea with what I agree or disagree, with what I condemn or not.  If you look though many of my posts on racism, I call out racism when it is actually racism. I am also against religious bigotry but that is not racism. I have pointed out in other posts that I welcome legal immigration. I have zero issues with asylum seekers that follow the international rules of asylum. There are millions who have entered this country legally with many becoming citizens. I am proud to call them Americans. 

This whole thing was my request for quotes of the "blatant racism". The examples you gave were not that so I responded with why they were not racist. I never said that any of it was right or defensible, only that it was not the blatant racism that you claimed. 

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He's messing with ya.  Notice the whole thing acknowledges that it's discriminating against a large group of people, but you're wrong because you said "racist."  It's all "nope, he's discriminating against the country of Mexico.  That's not racist."  "Nope, he's discriminating against Islamic people.  That's not racist."  "He's discriminating against people from the inner city.  That's not racist."

That's fully acknowledging what you're getting at while wording it in a way that makes your points seem invalid even though they are not.  

My points are not invalid, as I am glad you recognize. What you are referring to is his pivot techniques to shift the talking point by only arguing semantics, not the implications of said statements. He, like his wife, has no intellect to speak of.   

I never claimed the points were invalid. I was pointing out that they were not examples of the "blatant racism" that I requested. It was a simple, straightforward inquiry.  You made 4 points in your post prior to my request. I did not discount any of those points. I requested examples of something said after those 4 points. 

Not that it matters since it seems that I cannot reasonably debate here since I have "no intellect to speak of." It seems that I am the one who pivoted since I didn't see the equation of "blatant racism"  with "implied" or "insinuated" religious fear or nationalism. But what would you expect from a "coward" like me? Not sure what defines me as a "coward". Maybe it's due to me being a "poor quality human being." My daughter and parents are that too since "so is the family that raised you and any family of your own you currently have." I am glad others are so intuitive and non-coward like to be able to make these statements of people they have never met.

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So, how about that CPN guy huh? What a weirdo...

Yeah bitches, im that short gentleman mentioned in that youtube video.

And the very nice, level headed guy from that other youtube video.

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