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HatchetmanMJ
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March 26, 2014
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The Warlock said 
lol after reading again i guess you wouldnt know haha still tho its been documented they were cool back in the late 80s all the way up to the mid 90s haha..

Dude, that brings back memories. I'm not an Esham fan, myself, but the dude who originally got me into ICP way the hell back when... He was originally from Detroit. Chick friend of mine started dating him, so by default I ended up hanging out with the dude quite a bit... Well, one day he's bumping this music I'd never heard before in his basement, and I ask him about it... He gets into this whole story about these guys he knew "back home" who were gonna make it big some day... The CDs he played to show me how good they were - Early Morning Stoned Pimp, Carnival of Carnage, and.. Er... Don't remember the Esham one lol. Like I said, not a fan. But at the time, I remember thinking "This scrawny hillbilly cracker ain't EVER gonna make it." I was wrong. lol.

 

Sorry for the unrelated, disjointed story-time. Heh.

 

I was the only person who even knew what the hell rap/rock was in my school for a few years. I turned my friends on to RATM (always a favorite), Korn, and Limp Bizkit... Chocolate Starfish? Nah. I always preferred 3 Dollar Bill Y'all. I missed the boat on a few, I was late getting on the Beastie Boys and Bloodhound Gang bandwagons. I guess my first exposure to Rap/Rock was probably the track Anthrax did with Public Enemy, or was it Biohazard/Onyx redoing Slam? Can't recall, one of the two. Pretty sure it was Anthrax - on a whim I ordered some Live CD of theirs off of BMG. Good CD, always jammed to "Indians", which I probably wouldn't have ever heard if it weren't for ordering a random-ass CD to fulfill my monthly obligation. What a rip-off. lol.

 

Oh, I second the "Fuck Chris Cornell" sentiment, by the way.

 

 

March 26, 2014
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entrappedmind said

The Warlock said 
lol after reading again i guess you wouldnt know haha still tho its been documented they were cool back in the late 80s all the way up to the mid 90s haha..

Dude, that brings back memories. I'm not an Esham fan, myself, but the dude who originally got me into ICP way the hell back when... He was originally from Detroit. Chick friend of mine started dating him, so by default I ended up hanging out with the dude quite a bit... Well, one day he's bumping this music I'd never heard before in his basement, and I ask him about it... He gets into this whole story about these guys he knew "back home" who were gonna make it big some day... The CDs he played to show me how good they were - Early Morning Stoned Pimp, Carnival of Carnage, and.. Er... Don't remember the Esham one lol. Like I said, not a fan. But at the time, I remember thinking "This scrawny hillbilly cracker ain't EVER gonna make it." I was wrong. lol.

 

Sorry for the unrelated, disjointed story-time. Heh.

 
 

haha nah thats cool yo.. i def wouldve figured rock the least successful as well haha although i do like some of his stuff..

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scruffy said

The Warlock said

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i hate the terms "bite", "jack", & "steal" when it comes to sampling..  

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however ive never had a problem admitting all my beats are jacked/stolen..   

it aint me, dog, its you.  

youre fuckin with me right? or do you not see the clear difference in what i said.. i meant I stole them from producers.. not that the producers instrumentals are made up of "stolen" samples..

this is your captain speaking.  the point will be going over the warlocks head at twelve thousand feet.  

  

i figured..

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March 26, 2014
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Lmmfao

 

Also Rock has wayyyyy more talent than esham. Dude can rap/sing play the guitar/bass/drums and turntables. No comparison

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lol

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March 26, 2014
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scruffy said

this is your captain speaking.  the point will be going over the warlocks head at twelve thousand feet.

  

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March 27, 2014
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^ Couldn't say it better myself... Except I disagree with you about Korn "scatting", if we're thinking the same thing... The growling gibberish stuff, like in 'Twist'? That's just Jon's thing, man, he's always done it. Now rap, like where he and Durst traded verses on 'All In The Family'? Yeah, I like the song, but it's definitely not his forte lol.

March 27, 2014
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Slumerican502 said
Lmmfao

 

Also Rock has wayyyyy more talent than esham. Dude can rap/sing play the guitar/bass/drums and turntables. No comparison

Yeah well Esham can work the fryer, shake/ice cream machine, cash/register, and clean the bathrooms all while high on bathsalts...SO NYAH...

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March 27, 2014
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Yeah, i guess your right he can probably cook a mean roast

chicken by now.....Is panhandling considered a talent? I take back what I said he has got skillzzz

March 28, 2014
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LTB said
Limp Bizkit. I dont fucking care how much if a douche fred durst is, you simoly can't fuck with their chocolate starfish album. Linkin Park fucked it up when they did it. And korn's early rap rock shit is fucking certified gold. "Play Me" is probably one of the best examples of rap/rock done right. Just my thoughts, I didn't live through the era but my parents were huge into korn, limp bizkit, linkin park, etc. so I grew up listening to shit like that.

I haven't finished reading the thread, but I disagree. Linkin Park's first 3 albums (I think?), Hybrid Theory, Reanimation, and Meteora are all classic as fuck. I was born in '92, so I was super young when it started taking off. Does ICP not count? Milenko is rock and roll as fuck. As is the slaughterhouse remix of Chicken Huntin. Or at least it has rock elements.

March 28, 2014
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I have heard of Hollywood Undead, but who is Deuce? Is the music similar? I never really felt Undead, but if Deuce is different I will check it out!

March 28, 2014
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My kid's a big Hollywood Undead fan, and we've had this discussion before... My personal stance (for right or wrong) is that HU is a Linkin Park ripoff, and Deuce is a HU ripoff (In this case, quite literally - fall out with the group, and go solo with the exact same style, music, song structures, image, etc? wtf!).

 

Yeah, I think LPs first album was a good example of rap/rock - except it kind of transcended that. Hybrid Theory was something nobody really had ever heard before. It stood apart from everything that influenced it. Which was pretty cool.

 

My only gripe with LP is that they embraced the mainstream way too early.

March 28, 2014
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Hollywood Undead before their ego's got inflated and they kicked deuce out of the group he did all the heavy lifting for = fucking amazing, HU without deuce = shit. Swan Songs is unfuckwitable, all their other stuff is garbage. Deuce shouldn't have to change his style or image because the other guys turned into some premadona hoes. 

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March 28, 2014
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Deuce shouldn't have to change his style or image because the other guys turned into some premadona hoes. 

I guess there's some truth to that. Good point, LTB. I was led to believe he left on his own accord, but if it was the other way around then I suppose my 'ripoff' comment isn't very fair.

March 28, 2014
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He released a diss track of sorts, i believe the song is called story of a snitch, where he basically airs it all out.

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March 28, 2014
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He released a diss track of sorts, i believe the song is called story of a snitch, where he basically airs it all out.

March 28, 2014
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I had heard that before... But at the same time, the other side of the story is pretty convincing as well. I'm not a huge fan of theirs, so I'm not 100% knowledgeable on the topic. Just going by what my kid's said (He's pro-HU and anti-Deuce, so obviously his opinion is skewed to one side).

 

Tell ya what, I'll let you and he debate it at the Gathering, and I'll sit back and laugh at him trying to keep up. Deal?

March 28, 2014
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I'll be at Parris Island most likely during the time of the gathering. Or else that would be something I would thoroughly enjoy.

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March 28, 2014
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Oh hell, that's right. I forgot reading something about your enlistment (Thank you for your service, et cetera and so on).

 

Bah - Start off your service with an AWOL. I've heard they don't really frown on that. Oh, by the way, don't listen to my stupid ass.

March 28, 2014
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entrappedmind said
My kid's a big Hollywood Undead fan, and we've had this discussion before... My personal stance (for right or wrong) is that HU is a Linkin Park ripoff, and Deuce is a HU ripoff (In this case, quite literally - fall out with the group, and go solo with the exact same style, music, song structures, image, etc? wtf!).

 

Yeah, I think LPs first album was a good example of rap/rock - except it kind of transcended that. Hybrid Theory was something nobody really had ever heard before. It stood apart from everything that influenced it. Which was pretty cool.

 

My only gripe with LP is that they embraced the mainstream way too early.

I agree with this. Everything after Meteora has been meh to me. Bleed it Out was alright, I guess.

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