
9:38 pm
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May 22, 2012

anybody old enough will remember back in the mid nineties or so, when this fad blew up and every other band in america was doing it.
at the time, mixing rap and rock was nothing new; my belief is that when rage against the machine got out there, the whole industry saw them and said, 'wow, it can be done', and, being the trend followers that they usually are, they all set about doing their own version.
before ratm, rap/rock was mainly either: rappers bringin in a rock sound for one or two tracks [ll, run dmc, house of pain], or rock bands collaborating with a rapper, or rapping on their own, for a track or two [anthrax, biohazard, the whole judgement night soundtrack].
the first group i can remember off hand that was trying to build its entire sound around it was faith no more. when i first heard the song epic, i thought, 'these guys will be the biggest band in the world in three years, and everybody will be trying to sound like them.'
well, the second part was right, though it took a little bit longer than three years.
today, rap/rock is basicly passe. almost cliche.
certainly, by comparison, its a lot less popular than it was.
discuss. who do you consider the pioneers of the sound?
which are good songs, which come up short?
who does it well, who fucked it all up?
et cetera.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
9:48 pm
March 31, 2012

10:08 pm
May 29, 2013

Limp Bizkit. I dont fucking care how much if a douche fred durst is, you simoly can't fuck with their chocolate starfish album. Linkin Park fucked it up when they did it. And korn's early rap rock shit is fucking certified gold. "Play Me" is probably one of the best examples of rap/rock done right. Just my thoughts, I didn't live through the era but my parents were huge into korn, limp bizkit, linkin park, etc. so I grew up listening to shit like that.
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10:36 pm
January 27, 2014

Kid Rock's "Devil Without a Cause" album leaps to mind as a good example.
I haven't liked a single thing the guy's done before or since that album. Yet, somehow, it still holds up incredibly well, despite most of it's peers sounding dated and embarrassing today. (I'm looking at you, Durst.)
I've already mentioned Corporate Avenger in another thread. And we've had loads of Rehab discussions here, as well. Bloodhound Gang, ridiculous as they are, hit the mark pretty well.
Of course, as you've said, RATM is absolutely legendary.
10:37 pm
March 30, 2013

RATM are the most talented, most respectful to the genres, most complex, most important "rap/rock" group in our planet's history (maybe Uranus has a better one, too soon to tell). They are what got me into heavy music. Before them I listened to what my family listened to; an eclectic mix of rock, country, old school hip hip, et cetera. My mom and brothers got me into Too Short, Kurious, Guns N Roses, Garth Brooks, Aerosmith, Ice Cube, Portishead.. of course I found other music on my own (I was a loner), like Grateful Dead, Alanis Morisette, Blues Traveler... anyway like many of y'all, I was open to anything good, with human influences ranging from hillbillies to thugs to diehard metal heads. There's a good mix of folks in parts of NY.
My brother was the first person around who got into Korn. They called him "The Korn Kid" even. He was more into them then me, but I finally saw them live last summer and it was phenomenal. They, IMO, balance the rap and metal almost as well as RATM. Albeit, differently. It rarely goes into hokey territory. Its such a fine line, and these bands deserve credit for trying.
I hate to admit it, but Limp has some classic tracks. But they can get embarrassing to me on occasion. They overstep that line at times.
I can't even think of any rap rock that I dig at all besides them. Linkin Park, Papa Roach, etc, I never cared enough for to delve into.
Esham did that rock track, he's like "get cha head checked out!" In the chorus, I love that song.
I suppose Candiria is rap rock, and I dig their stuff. Its very seperate though, like their albums have straight rap or straight metal. Its jarring for an album but interesting.
Cypress Hill, whom I love, didn't succeed with their attempts at metal infusion, IMO. "Trouble" was good. Maybe I'll give the rock ones another listen.
Some author on Cracked (who has an eternal lust for Soundgarden, or perhaps only Chris Cornell), wrote a little diss calling Zack De La Rocha "a Communist Muppet" with an unflattering photo of him during his intense live performance. Fuck that author, may Zack smack him in the eye with his nine inch wang, as Phil Anselmo smacks the other with his own meatblood wand, just two inches shy of a dozen. RATM is the shit. Soundgarden is too, sure, but fuck you Cracked author!
10:41 pm
May 29, 2013

I smell generational gap all over what I'm about to say and dread the potential backlash it may cause, but I never got the appeal of Rage Against The Machine. Like, not even there big hits like sleep now in the fire or renegades of funk (those come to kind since our local rock station used to play the shit of them) and such really stand out to me as anything other than meh. And I tried getting into them for the longest, I just couldn't.
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10:45 pm
March 30, 2013

If you'll allow me to be uncouth for a moment; Fuck Chris Cornell.
Hahahaha I have no qualms with him, nor do I ever care to listen to him mess up heavy music in the company of my homies Brad Wilk, Tim Commerford and Tom Morello.
For great rap rock on the lighter side, I recommend N.E.R.D. and ¡MAYDAY!
10:50 pm
March 30, 2013

I smell generational gap all over what I'm about to say and dread the potential backlash it may cause, but I never got the appeal of Rage Against The Machine. Like, not even there big hits like sleep now in the fire or renegades of funk (those come to kind since our local rock station used to play the shit of them) and such really stand out to me as anything other than meh. And I tried getting into them for the longest, I just couldn't.
You may have a valid theory there. Things are just different now. Other than some SOAD, there haven't been many commercially successful political rockers after RATM. Buy their first album, the self titled one. Listen to it the whole way through. Then watch their videos of live performances. Better yet, buy their video that has all the music videos and live footage up to that point.
Buy that video, play it loud. And if you don't like them better than you do today, I'll buy it off you. Word is bond.
10:52 pm
May 29, 2013

10:59 pm
December 3, 2012

RATM shits on audioslave, fuck cornell.
Rehab is the best example for me of blending rap/southern rock/country so well it almost defies genres.
I loved Kid Rocks shit up until 'cocky' came out. He has some really dope shit out there, especially on DWAC and History of Rock.
Corey Taylor could put out a rap/rock album if he wanted, just check out 'spit it out'
Sublime never rapped but they basically created a sub-genre by mixing reggae/hardcore punk/ and hip hop sampling all infused.
It can be done but its hard to do without sounding hokey as omd puts it
There's a gateway in our minds
That leads somewhere out there, far beyond this plane
Where reptile aliens made of light
Cut you open and pull out all your pain
Sturgill Simpson- Turtles All The Way Down
11:04 pm
March 30, 2013

Slumerican502 said
RATM shits on audioslave, fuck cornell.Rehab is the best example for me of blending rap/southern rock/country so well it almost defies genres.
I loved Kid Rocks shit up until 'cocky' came out. He has some really dope shit out there, especially on DWAC and History of Rock.
Corey Taylor could put out a rap/rock album if he wanted, just check out 'spit it out'
Sublime never rapped but they basically created a sub-genre by mixing reggae/hardcore punk/ and hip hop sampling all infused.
It can be done but its hard to do without sounding hokey as omd puts it
You know where I stand with the Rehab, dawg.
Corey Taylor has hype shit.. "where's Chuck D when ya need him?".. SPpit It Out was our shit back in the day. That first album by Slipknot, and SOAD's + DXM + THC = Indescribable memories.
11:14 pm
Moderators
May 22, 2012

i really think that rage was the only band that did it consistently well. the thing is, they were a bit more on the rock side, and i dont really dig rock especially. if i was more into the rock, id probably be more of a rage fan than an icp fan; they had their shit down, without getting anything from anywhere else.
icps rockish efforts are really hit and miss, for me. ive said before that i was a little annoyed with the abundance of guitars and such on jeckyl brothers. now, we are all kinda used to it, but when that was new, different story. [same with j and his singing on another love song, by the way. how strange was that song at the time, and how normal does it seem now?]
id say about half of the rock-and-guitar stuff that icp/psychopathic has done is either unnecessary, or too anoying for me to bump.
far as all those popular rock/metal/ska bands trying to rap... they dont move me. most of them just suck, and shouldve stuck to their roots. some are decent, a song here, a song there. i do often like it when theres a dj cuttin with a live band, that usually works.
and, far as the rappers that try to rock... yeah, esham sampled a bunch of shit, but that hardly counts. might as well say sugarhill gang did it first by using good times. well, disco isnt really rock at all, but you see what i mean.
his rockdafied shit, once he got into it himself, is hit or miss as well. santos helped some with that.
really, it always seems that way to me; the afore mentioned judgment night soundtrack is about half dope, and half meh. cypress hill, same way, maybe a little bit more the meh side. and on and on. its either dope, or nothing special, and occcasionally horrible.
now, once you get into the so-called 'underground', and all that entails... the horrible efforts utterly swamp the dope ones.
this being a long post, and me being a lil distracted, theres been some shit added ill try to get to:
LTB said
I never got the appeal of Rage Against The Machine. Like, not even there big hits like sleep now in the fire or renegades of funk (those come to kind since our local rock station used to play the shit of them) and such really stand out to me as anything other than meh
i get that. for me, the real ratm hits are mostly cuts that didnt get radio play. my personal favorite is probably their cover of pistol grip pump.
that video that you mentioned, dangerous, thats good shit.
i actually liked audioslave, just not at the expense of ratm.
i like sublime, too. not rap-and-rock, no, but an example of good genre mixing.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
11:25 pm
March 30, 2013

Great use of RATM tracks in films:
Wake Up - The Matrix
Take the Power Back and Bombtrack- Natural Born Killers
Maggie's Farm - The Other Guys
Year of the Boomerang - Higher Learning
And that No Shelter track off of that wretched Godzilla soundtrack.
Judgement Night soundtrack was mostly great. "just another victim kid!"
11:30 pm
February 7, 2013

11:34 pm
March 30, 2013

12:01 am
March 31, 2012

scruffy said
and, far as the rappers that try to rock... yeah, esham sampled a bunch of shit, but that hardly counts. might as well say sugarhill gang did it first by using good times. well, disco isnt really rock at all, but you see what i mean.
wasnt trying to give him creator credits was just pointing out he also did it early & inspired..
2:57 am
September 18, 2012

8:03 am
May 29, 2013

Actually what warlock really said was
The Warlock really said
Esham is responsible for every movement and development in the music industry across the board ever and anyone who denies it is on some hoe shit
And there you have it folks, indisputable facts. Haters man....smh..
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