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6:53 pm
January 5, 2015
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my point isn’t that straight white people are more likely to commit fraud but that being overly defensive of welfare when it comes to people of color or LGBT people, is misguided because they aren’t the ones “ruining” the system. Are there gay people or black people who cheat the system? Yeah, but the idea that they’re more likely to is racist and homophobic.
7:14 pm
January 5, 2015
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the next fight:
7:17 pm
April 19, 2012
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I think the government shouldn’t incentivize anyone. If anything, the government should have repealed its recognition of any marriage. I think that is a better way to incentivize the public and authority to not impede on anyone’s freedom.
7:19 pm
January 5, 2015
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Yeah, I am a pretty big supporter of the unmarried movement but nobody is gonna let that go through because people like their benefits.
7:23 pm
April 19, 2012
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I could see benefits for getting married making sense if it was still law to own property in order to vote haha
7:58 pm
May 4, 2014
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Charley Sunday said
I work in a ghetto ass Med Clinic as an X-ray Tech and trust me these ghetto cunts spitting out 10 children that they don’t care about are OUR problem.
Another problem may be the deadbeat sperm donors hitting it raw and making ghetto babies, but your clinic may just see those welfare kings when their dicks have flat-lined.
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8:23 pm
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August 6, 2013
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Anyone ever heard of Basic Income? Basically the idea that you give EVERYONE a certain amount of money, enough to live off of. Apparently it’s worked pretty well in some small scale areas. Basically eliminates the “cheating of the system” because everyone gets it anyway.
Here’s some more information about it:
9:09 pm
May 4, 2014
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Pigg said
Anyone ever heard of Basic Income? Basically the idea that you give EVERYONE a certain amount of money, enough to live off of. Apparently it’s worked pretty well in some small scale areas. Basically eliminates the “cheating of the system” because everyone gets it anyway…
Socialist governments crack me up. They “always run out of other people’s money.” Greece financially coddled their citizens and now the rest of Europe seems to wanna nuke them from orbit. I prefer free market capitalism.
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9:15 pm
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August 6, 2013
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I think if run in a small scale it could work, but definitely not on a national level. Unless it was allocated to states or counties or whatever. Still, there are some pretty good points on there. And I personally side with Bernie Chambers which as about as Socialist as we can get in the U.S.
9:37 pm
April 19, 2012
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Pigg said
Anyone ever heard of Basic Income? Basically the idea that you give EVERYONE a certain amount of money, enough to live off of. Apparently it’s worked pretty well in some small scale areas. Basically eliminates the “cheating of the system” because everyone gets it anyway.
Here’s some more information about it:
Richard Nixon wanted to do this.
10:36 pm
September 19, 2014
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RobTidwell said
my point isn’t that straight white people are more likely to commit fraud but that being overly defensive of welfare when it comes to people of color or LGBT people, is misguided because they aren’t the ones “ruining” the system. Are there gay people or black people who cheat the system? Yeah, but the idea that they’re more likely to is racist and homophobic.
Ah, I get what you’re sayin now. Agreed.
2:24 am
January 5, 2015
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Pigg said
Anyone ever heard of Basic Income? Basically the idea that you give EVERYONE a certain amount of money, enough to live off of. Apparently it’s worked pretty well in some small scale areas. Basically eliminates the “cheating of the system” because everyone gets it anyway.
Here’s some more information about it:
I’m a huge supporter of this, actually. When they were talking about bailing out all the big companies because the economy was collapsing, there was this thing going around saying you could give every adult in the US at that time something like 25,000 with the money that they gave the corporations.
The idea behind it being that it works in three ways.
People who want to go out and blow the money create a demand for product so even if everybody went out and bought 25k worth of tvs, stereos etc, it would create jobs.
BUT they figured most people would pay their debt and just put the rest in the bank, which would stabilize the banking industry.
And everybody would have been lifted up. Think about it. Working class families could get 50k if they had two parents, 75k if they had an adult child at the age of 18 living with them. They could have paid for colleges, could have paid for healthcare. People who are homeless could have used that money on healthcare needs and getting an apartment. The working poor could have done so much good with that money.
But nah, “communism” blah blah blah.
8:26 am
March 20, 2013
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Pigg said
Anyone ever heard of Basic Income? Basically the idea that you give EVERYONE a certain amount of money, enough to live off of. Apparently it’s worked pretty well in some small scale areas. Basically eliminates the “cheating of the system” because everyone gets it anyway.
Here’s some more information about it:
isnt this basically communism?
either way, good job for the gays. now they can get dirvorced and hate each other too!
8:48 am
February 24, 2014
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That means more prostitution and drug dealers and under the table work.
I'll fuck you till you love me, Faggot!
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9:30 am
May 4, 2014
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Sean Law said
That means more prostitution and drug dealers and under the table work.
I’m going out on a limb and guessing you’re talking about the socialism/communism theme. I’d also expect less personal liberties if I got an allowance from the government.
RobTidwell said
People who are homeless could have used that money on healthcare needs and getting an apartment.
I used to live with a social worker in a big city where I took the bus and walked everywhere. I knew some homeless by name to the point they tried to share their dumpster food with me. The social workers there would set up homeless in homes and they would just leave. Maybe designing a utopian society requires more diverse thinking. People can surprise you with their behavior sometimes.
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February 15, 2014
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Not a fan of socialism or communism or any Marxist form of government. Not a fan of welfare or unemployment benefits or government subsidies. Never have used them and never will. Life is about adaptation. If something occurs and I can not work as I currently do, I change and figure out how to live. I will help someone out when they need it, but only to get them to a point where they can help themselves. Some say that’s exactly what the welfare is for. But I still don’t think it’s necessary. People can go to friends for help. What if all your friends are poor and in the same situation? Then get together and figure out a plan to get out of the situation together as a group. Those not willing to help themselves will not survive.
Social Darwinism, to me, is not cruel. It’s actually a positive and progressive look at the human race. It may change the entire status quo of the system but it ends up leading to a better life down the road for the entire human race. When all that are left are those willing to put in the time and work to survive and progress, we won’t have a system being chained back by those who do nothing but hold the entire human race back.
The system of a guaranteed income did not work for Greece. They are the money hole of the European Union. Many of the population there won’t work because they don’t have to. Now other countries are throwing money at the problem trying to prevent complete collapse. Several EU countries are in the process of dropping out of the EU because of Greece being in it dragging all the other countries down with it. Guaranteed income will not work because people who don’t need to work to survive will not work. Why bother. Those who do work end up suffering while the ones who don’t reap the benefits.
3:38 pm
March 26, 2015
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One of the reasons why I like when shit like this happens is all the bigoted shitbags make themselves known. It’s easier to filter people out of my life that way. Now that this is out of the way, we can hopefully focus more attention on actual important issues like corruption & environmental conservation.
This message was sent from my Atari 2600 through fiber optic cable made of fucks I no longer give.
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Psyral Infection said
Not a fan of socialism or communism or any Marxist form of government. Not a fan of welfare or unemployment benefits or government subsidies. Never have used them and never will. Life is about adaptation. If something occurs and I can not work as I currently do, I change and figure out how to live. I will help someone out when they need it, but only to get them to a point where they can help themselves. Some say that’s exactly what the welfare is for. But I still don’t think it’s necessary. People can go to friends for help. What if all your friends are poor and in the same situation? Then get together and figure out a plan to get out of the situation together as a group. Those not willing to help themselves will not survive.Social Darwinism, to me, is not cruel. It’s actually a positive and progressive look at the human race. It may change the entire status quo of the system but it ends up leading to a better life down the road for the entire human race. When all that are left are those willing to put in the time and work to survive and progress, we won’t have a system being chained back by those who do nothing but hold the entire human race back.
The system of a guaranteed income did not work for Greece. They are the money hole of the European Union. Many of the population there won’t work because they don’t have to. Now other countries are throwing money at the problem trying to prevent complete collapse. Several EU countries are in the process of dropping out of the EU because of Greece being in it dragging all the other countries down with it. Guaranteed income will not work because people who don’t need to work to survive will not work. Why bother. Those who do work end up suffering while the ones who don’t reap the benefits
I’ve read the Greece PLANNED to implement a basic income, but I haven’t read anything about them actually implementing it or their efficacy. I was looking for some articles but couldn’t find them. If you have found some, please post them.
Did you follow the link, @psyral-infection ? There have been quite a few instances where this has been implemented and worked very well. That being said, I do think (as I stated before) it would be very difficult to implement on a national level, especially in such a heterogenous country as the United States.
I disagree with social Darwinism, because there is a bunch of bullshit that can completely fuck people’s lives up, and I don’t think people should die over that.
7:23 pm
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May 22, 2012
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the problem with ‘social darwinism’ is that the ‘fittest’ [if you will] is, always was, and always shall be, the criminal.
to be specific, the organized criminal, but really any criminal has an inherent advantage.
awfully paranoid, arent you?
8:06 pm
February 24, 2014
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why the hell would ANYone wanna get married anyway. shit changes once you say I do.
my only thing is, and forgive me if im being ignorant, but I don’t think a gay couple should be raising a kid. that puts that kid up for humiliation in school, as not everyone is acceptant of it, and It could influence the child to be gay aswell, not that theres anything wrong with being gay, but they need to make that decision on their own, not see it and think its normal.
I know somebody that knows somebody that knows somebodyyyy, that say that has happened.
I'll fuck you till you love me, Faggot!
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