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The 0uter Space Thread
April 13, 2014
8:19 pm
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Way to dumb it down... "Hey, host dude, I think we're all aware that outer space is pretty fuckin' big." Talk about a Captain Obvious moment lol.

 

EDIT: Oh, regarding water on Pluto... That's interesting as hell... I'm a little behind here, is Pluto back to being a planet or is it still being considered a "planetoid" or something like that?

April 13, 2014
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Way to dumb it down... "Hey, host dude, I think we're all aware that outer space is pretty fuckin' big." Talk about a Captain Obvious moment lol.   EDIT: Oh, regarding water on Pluto... That's interesting as hell... I'm a little behind here, is Pluto back to being a planet or is it still being considered a "planetoid" or something like that?

 

 

Still a "dwarf planet". But he's still cool.

So far Europa, Encedalus and Pluto show signs of water. We are living in an exciting age.

April 13, 2014
8:38 pm
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Oh, and Mars.

April 13, 2014
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Old Mr Dangerous said 
 
So far Europa, Encedalus and Pluto show signs of water. We are living in an exciting age.

 

Indeed we are... But, how much time will pass between the "discovered it" and "did something with that discovery" stages? I mean, sure, we've put a lot of cash into the Mars projects lately, but aside from that isn't NASA terribly under-funded nowadays? Is there another Space Race on the horizon, perhaps? Going back to an earlier discussion, I can't believe that getting off this planet isn't a higher priority than it's shown to be thus far.

April 13, 2014
9:15 pm
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entrappedmind said

Old Mr Dangerous said 
 
So far Europa, Encedalus and Pluto show signs of water. We are living in an exciting age.

 

Indeed we are... But, how much time will pass between the "discovered it" and "did something with that discovery" stages? I mean, sure, we've put a lot of cash into the Mars projects lately, but aside from that isn't NASA terribly under-funded nowadays? Is there another Space Race on the horizon, perhaps? Going back to an earlier discussion, I can't believe that getting off this planet isn't a higher priority than it's shown to be thus far.

Yeah space exploration will be largely funded by private organisations now. But dont let that dissuade you; everything will kick into high gear at a rapid pace in thr near future. I have no way of knowing that, its just a feeling i have.

People always say the "you put a man on the moon but cant so shit fir the ghetto" line (thanks, J). And i empathize, but like you say, its an ultimate importance to learn more about our universe (and beyond). If you think hard enough about the reality of our lives, it is pure screaming insanity. Spinning around on a gas ball full of water, dirt, elements, atoms, creatures etc.. why does the universe look the way it does? Why spherical planets with billions of miles of nothing in between them? Are we just an atom sized universe resting on the dust atop the eyelash of an impossibly massive, unimaginable lifeform? Which in turn is merely its own atom universe? I always wondered about the direction of space... like generally arent the planets, moons, all the basic celestial bodues, like uh, horizontal in reference to their distance away? Like can we travel vertically up or down in space? I know it sounds stupid and i hope someone can clarify, but no one ever talks about whats ABOVE or BELOW the Earth. Its mind boggling.

April 14, 2014
1:52 am
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You're getting a little too deep for my half-asleep brain at 2:30 AM, in some respects anyhow.

 

Regarding your horizontal/vertical question... I hope to god I'm misunderstanding you, because you seem more knowledgeable in this stuff than me... But it's fairly obvious that the universe extends away from the Earth on every axis imaginable... It's not, like, a line of planets, asteroids, etc etc just waiting to collide with the planet... Like I said, I hope I misunderstood what you're questioning lol.

 

In respect to the other stuff you brought up... Yeah, that's the kind of stuff that you can drive yourself batty trying to rationalize or answer definitively. Nobody knows why everything's laid out the way it is, the actual size of it all, or any of that.

 

I've often just sat and thought about that very statement you made... Basically, the insignificance of us as a life form/species, or even down to the individual level. We have no concept of why the world "works", what holds the fucker together, the reasoning itself behind such concepts as gravity (I know the science behind it, but think about it from a layman's point of view, dumb it down - Why the fuck aren't we falling off?!?), what the overall point of it all... All this stuff, we don't know, can't explain, aaaaaaaaaaand we waste our lives paying for our lives. What the fuck!? That makes even less sense than all that other shit combined. We have ALL these mysteries out there, waiting for answers, but we occupy ourselves in our nine-to-fives, making those above us richer - and it's not even like they're putting that wealth to work to solve this shit, either! They're spending their lives hoarding their wealth just like a squirrel - where, in the grand scheme of things, they're just as insignificant as us, and we're all just as insignificant as the goddamn squirrel!

 

Uh, yeah, where the hell did that^ rant come from... My bad. Went off on a bit of a tangent.

 

So anyway, pondering it all... You know, the funny thing is... Y'know how sometimes you'll be thinking about shit, and all of a sudden feel like you're right on the verge of an epiphany... And POOF! It's gone. Pondering the universe, that shit happens to me all the time. Sigh. When that happens, it almost makes me wonder if shit out there is intentionally blocked from our minds, like, we're conditioned to not understand or answer life's great mysteries. When you almost have it, your brain wipes itself to protect you from learning, what? A harmful or dangerous truth? I mean, if that's the case, our brain actively prevents us from figuring this stuff out, why would that be? Hmmm...

April 14, 2014
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April 14, 2014
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I am aware that all the celestial bodies are on every axis around us, its just that it hurts my brain to imagine if one day in the future, when we've mastered interstellar travel past our current super primitive state (respectfully), if we just said, "hey scientists, let's justfucking fly DOWN! just keep going at that vertical angle until we hit BOTTOM! it doesn't make sense because there IS NO BOTTOM, but let's floor it!" Lol... I know it sounds stupid but it just hurts my psyche

April 14, 2014
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to quote:  'up' is relative concept, it has no intrinsic value.  

  

the precise definition of up is:  the opposite direction of down.  

the definition of down is:  the direction that gravity is pulling you*.  the direction from where you are, to the center of the earth.  

  

thus, 'up' is every direction away from earth, and when we looked in all those directions, we found universe.  

so, yes, the universe is all around us, extending in all directions.  but how extending how far?  

theres no clear agreement that i know of about exactly 'where' we 'are' in the expanding universe.  and to get answers like that, you gotta get real complex, and abstract.  

  

* to be more precise, the direction that you perceive gravity to be pulling you.  gravity is literally pulling in all directions, but since the closest mass of noteworthy size is the earth, thats the one with the greatest effect.  

but even then, the only reason you know about that effect, is because you feel the resistance of the earth pushing back on you when youre in contact with it.  being in free-fall does not really mean no gravity, it means that your motion is cancelling out the sensed effects of earths gravity on your body, thus you feel weightless.  

see?  complex.  and thats kindergarten stuff, in physics terms.  

  

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

April 14, 2014
9:33 am
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Farther, and farther, awayy

April 14, 2014
9:40 am
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Anyone have any favorite sci fi flicks, stories or shows? outer space sci fo that is, or at least inter dimensional.

I loved "Event Horizon". So underrated. "Moon" was good. 

That show "Sliders" was a bit cheest but interesting. As well as the "Stargate" film. 

Ray Bradbury always has some good tales. 

April 14, 2014
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Old Mr Dangerous said
Anyone have any favorite sci fi flicks, stories or shows? outer space sci fo that is, or at least inter dimensional...

Cowboy Beebop (Anime Space Sci Fi). That's one of my favorites.

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April 14, 2014
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OMB: I'm actually not a fan of Sci-Fi, like, not at all. The closest I come is the Star Wars universe - and there's little to no "sci" in that, it's all "fi". If you consider alternate history as part of Sci-Fi, then that's where my interest lies. Eric Flint's "Ring of Fire" series is freakin' awesome, and has ballooned way beyond what the author ever expected. They release monthly anthologies of fan-fiction in that universe from other established authors, in addition to a couple other authors taking over the reins. It's grown to the point of what the D&D novels used to be back in the 90's. Actually, you can get the first book for free at http://www.baenebooks.com/p-37.....-1632.aspx (There's a bunch of free e-books there, actually, many of which are Sci-Fi - that's one of Baen's specialties).

 

And scruffy... You hurt my brain.

April 14, 2014
2:35 pm
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I like the Star Wars flicks, just don't love em like a rabid fanboy might. Never watched the three prequels and never will. Never got into Star Trek at all either.

 

 

April 17, 2014
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April 17, 2014
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LuckyNumbrXIII said
I feel like they announce one of these every day.  I'm starting to think they're doing it for attention.

youre half-right.  

what nasa does, is announce an event or discovery, but really only give a full, detailed story to a few newsmedia outlets.  

then they announce it again, glossing over the fact that they already did it once, but this time, they add a fact or three.  so, what they are announcing is, eg, 'we now think the planet we found last spring could possibly have water on it'.  the headlines, however, say 'NEW PLANET WITH WATER ON IT IS DISCOVERED!'.  but when you read the quotes, its a lot of 'maybe, theoretically, theres so much we still dont know' and so on.  

they are absolutely doing it for attention, though.  and well they should, if it wasnt for the marketing department, it wouldnt be long before americans started bitching about how much money nasa spends.  its a lot, and they arent very efficient about it.  not enough, anyway.  whatever they pay the marketing department, thats what is bringin in the best value.  

once space exploration can be subsidized by commercial enterprise, itll be better.  

  

also, about those stories...  all those internet-only news sources are generally starved for stories, and theyve picked up this trick;  taking turns citing each others articles, with a new picture of an imaginary new planet or something, to make it seem like you didnt already read about it.  

  

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

April 17, 2014
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Yeah I hate getting hyped by the headline only to have the article frustrate me. But it works. And NASA's budget pales in comparison to the US military budget. I understand very little of it all,iI admit. But that's me.

April 17, 2014
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I just got done listening to Enders Game yesterday. Great fucking story if you love sci-fi like I do. I love outer space docs and shows but I just feel like a dummy every time I watch one. I cant tell you how many youtube videos ive watched trying to explain the multiple dimensions and still cant grasp the concept. Apparently part of the purpose of the hadron collider is to try to prove these dimensions exist. They slam these atoms together hoping that eventually the mass of the atoms after will be less than before, proving they sent part of them to a dimension that we cant see or measure.

 

Worm holes and the warp drive theory blows my mind too. They always compare worm holes to a piece of paper. You are on one side and the destination is on the other. The wormhole is essentially like folding the paper over so the two points meet. So you are crossing the galaxy without traveling the distance

What I dont get is even if we could theoretically create the wormhole for warp drive, how could we possibly control where we come out on the other side?

Quantum entanglement is another one I cant grasp. Particles that become entangled so that even if they are separated across the universe and you manipulate one, then the other one responds directly the same at the same time no matter how far away it is.

 

Sorry if this stuff has already been said, I didnt get around to reading this thread till now and just read the last two pages

April 17, 2014
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Slumerican502 said
I just got done listening to Enders Game yesterday. Great fucking story if you love sci-fi like I do. I love outer space docs and shows but I just feel like a dummy every time I watch one. I cant tell you how many youtube videos ive watched trying to explain the multiple dimensions and still cant grasp the concept. Apparently part of the purpose of the hadron collider is to try to prove these dimensions exist. They slam these atoms together hoping that eventually the mass of the atoms after will be less than before, proving they sent part of them to a dimension that we cant see or measure.

 

Worm holes and the warp drive theory blows my mind too. They always compare worm holes to a piece of paper. You are on one side and the destination is on the other. The wormhole is essentially like folding the paper over so the two points meet. So you are crossing the galaxy without traveling the distance

What I dont get is even if we could theoretically create the wormhole for warp drive, how could we possibly control where we come out on the other side?

Quantum entanglement is another one I cant grasp. Particles that become entangled so that even if they are separated across the universe and you manipulate one, then the other one responds directly the same at the same time no matter how far away it is.

 

Sorry if this stuff has already been said, I didnt get around to reading this thread till now and just read the last two pages

That first paragraph is so fucking crazy. I love it.

The second paragraph was illustrated by Sam Neill's character in "Event Horizon". I'm sure there's a YouTube of that scene. Love that movie. Read a Cracked article today saying its a Lovecraft story , which I never considered. They call it a lame one at that. I disagree.

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Wrong thread @alaskajuggalo . Please post in the correct forum. No Spam.

[edit] NVM, looks like a moderator deleted it. Thanks whoever took care of that.

 

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