i aint sure what youre tryin to imply with that, but ill say this: 

dont make excuses for them worms. 

Mr. Tidwell said

Ridik Rage said
“The peaceful religion” at work again.

It ain’t the religion but power mad people who exploit and manipulate others desperation and vulnerability. 
ISIS attacked mosques on Islamic holy days. They repeatedly violate the rules of the religion they wrap themselves in while they brutalize innocent people. 
Islam is inherently flawed and contradictory as all religions are but there are so many people who practice the faith and are benefits to our communities.

ima leave this one alone, cuz a] it can be a touchy issue, b] i see it as smoke n mirrors at best, free advertising for hatemongering at worst, and c] its ultimately irrelevant;  see below. 

Western involvement in the middle east and north Africa definitely creates terroristic violence. We destroy their communities, steal their wealth, misrepresent their culture, kill their families, and arm their dictators. To pretend like Islam is responsible and that we played no part is dishonest and arrogant. 

the first and second sentences of that paragraph are also pretending.  like a mufucka. 

we are not talkin about ‘peoples who have been downtrodden’, here. 

we are talkin about fuckwads that back-shot a hundred kids at a rock concert.  that blow up fuckin airliners. 

there.  is.  absolutely.  no.  legitimacy.  for.  that. 

destroying that persons community, family, or culture, is not only honest, its called for. 

wanna go on a rampage and kill the ones that actually repress you, thats one thing.  to kill the softest, most uninvolved targets you can find is waaay different.  by several orders of magnitude. 

for what its worth, air strikes have been all in the game for a hundred years. 

collateral damage has been all in the game since the fuckin start.  probably predates fire. 

sucks, yes, but lets not get turned around, here. 

no drone operator in the history of combat ever said, ‘today im gonna kill as many innocent people as i can.  if an actual enemy gets in the way… well, thats a real pity, but the point is to kill the innocent’. 

other fuckin way around. 

Mr. Tidwell said
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/05/…..-hospital/
Right. Bombing hospitals with children inside is OK but soccer stadiums and rock concerts are out of the question. 

dont twist my words. 

ive never said that, i never would, and its a pure fuckin insult to suggest that i did. 

I’m not saying there’s anything legitimate about their actions just that simplifying it and removing our influence and involvement reduces it to paranoid, xenophobic propaganda.

bullshit. 

and again, that aint what im doin, and never was.  and you goddamn well know it.  or should, at least.

The US has a long history of harming innocents in the middle east and north Africa. We’ve even disrupted democratic elections and placed dictators into countries that wanted more liberal and free societies. We’ve been dropping bombs on houses of worship, schools, hospitals, etc for far longer than these actions have been happening. Far longer.

also bullshit.  oh, its true enough, but it aint got shit to do with my point. 

i aint talkin politics.  and i give a fuck about their motivations. 

there are no mitigating factors.  just cuz ‘we’ [that is to say, the paranoid xenophobes; i aint in that class] are also fucked up, dont mean a terrorist has anything close to a legit case.  period. 

those motherfuckers cared a whole lot less about that hospital than you and i do, i promise you that. 

Meanwhile, isis also bombed Lebanon but nobody gives a shit about a town called Beirut. 

i give a shit. 

did you even know about that before now…?  thats not a slam, im curious. 

just cuz i didnt itemize every single terrorist incident, doesnt mean i dont give a shit. 

fuck, im probably more knowledgeable about internecine conflicts/asymmetrical warfare/terrorism than everyone here put together. 

hell, its a much shorter list, namin off the places in the world where that kinda shit isnt goin on. 

youre arguin for the lowlifes.  why?  [cheap shot, and inaccurate… but so is your horseshit implication that i think blowin up hospitals is hunky-dory.  sorry, but that shit pisses me off] 

hate on america all you want, but dont side with the scum just to be a dick.  or for any other reason. 

the enemy of your enemy is not your friend, hes just another scumfuck.  plenty of people hate america without makin excuses for mass murderers. 

i, myself, am no fan of us foreign policy.  but i do stay informed about it.  much as im able to, that is. 

you know what?  just go with the first sentence of this thread.  think on that one for a while. 

[edit]  typo fix. 

more or less. 

that, and a touch of ‘dont ignore the tragedy of all this’. 

Slumerican502 said 
This IS a real touchy subject. Im with scruffy on this and I dont think correlation equals causation in this case. Its a terrbile world we live in. Whether or not we put our nose where we dont belong( which we frequently do) things like this are going to happen. Its just so easy and convenient to blame the western giant. People hate us for the same reason people hate lebron james, because we are a fucking juggernaut.   

yeah. 

to be even more illustrative, its fair to say ‘self-absorbed, self-important, self-indulgent asshole juggernaut’. 

and yeah, this shit most certainly goes down with or without american involvement. 

I find it interesting that the snak/madchild thread blew the fuck up but nobody wants to discuss this.  

that actually factored into why i started the thread to begin with.  slightly. 

by the way, for those who mighta got the impression im ruthlessly rippin tidwell…  im not. 

nor lucem.  seems he got that. 

what it is, is that tidwell and i have spoken personally, he presumably knows what an abrasive person i am, and therefore is less likely to mistake my points for personal attacks. 

if im wrong about that, tidwell, my bad.  you my dog, dont doubt it. 

King Lucem Ferre said
This conversation won’t kick off because people don’t give a fuck. Me, I think it sucks but what can I do about it?  Sulk?  

sure. 

or gripe, like me. 

or donate to victims, or organize support rallies [not really all that supportive, but a good show]. 

or nothing at all, like 99.9% of america. 

i mean, fuck, id kill the bastards myself if i but had the means.  but i dont. 

sometimes i wish i could form a network of unconventional counterterrorist cells.  be illegal as fuck, but basicly the ‘dexters’ of the terror world, if you will.  [btw, such networks do exist, they just havent accomplished much… publicly]

My only input is I really hope France and some of their allies can defend themselves over this instead of relying on us to do it for them. Support them, sure, but lets not spend all of our money to send our troops to defend them.   

the french military are actually real good at fuckin people up on the dl.  their special operators, in particular, are definitely top-tier and world class. 

and i guarantee theyre gettin busy right now. 

people act like france is a bunch of pussies, but they are so very wrong.  the sharp end of the french spear is right up there with us, uk, israeli, and [yes, novocaine] australian ninja units.  thats probably the top five warfighters on planet earth.  and russia, i spose. 

and, american troops should be allowed to get in on it, in my opinion.  lot of em are chompin at the bit, tonight. 

King Lucem Ferre said 
I wasn’t saying that the french are pussies,

aware. 

just that it seems like everybody is pushing for America to combat Isis.

i know i am.  have been for years. 

but its a huge operational problem. 

War is too expensive.   

what aint? 

King Lucem Ferre said 
War is the only thing putting us in national debt.  

nope.  may not even be the number one thing, though that debate will rage on long after we are all dead. 

It’s the one thing that proceeds every great economic collapse that we’ve had.  

again, nope. 

getchu some econ 101.