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February 4, 2017
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Specifically thinking of trans dudes seems like they were trying too hard to be progressive and impress you.

 

Ain’t it a fucked up world for girls? How we will put MEN who are trying to be girls over actual girls? You know black people could vote before women could. Learned that from Ab-Soul that abstract asshole. Point is, you PCed your way into discriminating against women. Bad Noah, that’s not progressive.

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near miss.  

  awfully paranoid, arent you?   

February 4, 2017
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Not in Wyoming. Women could vote before the 15th amendment was ratified 

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Tampons all around.

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February 4, 2017
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King Lucem Ferre said
Specifically thinking of trans dudes seems like they were trying too hard to be progressive and impress you.

 

Ain’t it a fucked up world for girls? How we will put MEN who are trying to be girls over actual girls? You know black people could vote before women could. Learned that from Ab-Soul that abstract asshole. Point is, you PCed your way into discriminating against women. Bad Noah, that’s not progressive.  

I don’t think you understand what trans men are. They are in no way shape or form “trying to be girls.” They are men. Sometimes, they are men who menstruate.

Collecting tampons for women and transmen does not prioritize men over women but rather looks at the very sad reality that there are homeless men and women who menstruate and who are unable to afford the most common methods of keeping themselves clean and healthy.

That the youth who wanted to do this project were thinking of trans men wasn’t them trying to impress me. It is because we teach our youth to be aware of people in need. Many homeless young people are homeless because when they came out to their parents as lgbt, they were thrown out and have no where to go. The kids know this. They have done a ton of other things involving the homelessness problem in our community. 

So while they weren’t doing it to impress me, they most certainly did. But they impress me all the time. They are so over my being impressed them that it isn’t even funny anymore. They are just incredible kids. 

I wish I were as thoughtful and social justice oriented as they are at that age. 

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February 4, 2017
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Ps I do like that you were so caught up in your reactionary bigotry against trans people that you accidentally bigoted yourself into seeing them as their true gender instead of their assigned gender. 

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February 4, 2017
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Oh, so they only like women when they are trying to be men? Proves my point. They always put the men first, before the women. In any way shape or form. You fascist male pig or something feminist goes here.

February 4, 2017
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Ps I do like that you were so caught up in your reactionary bigotry against trans people that you accidentally bigoted yourself into seeing them as their true gender instead of their assigned gender.   

I find cross dressing creepy.  Here is the thing if you identify as a woman and dress as such and act as such cool…. 

But we got a 90 year old dude that hangs out at Walmart near me.  He is dirty,  wears panty hose without shaving his legs,  has a beard and always wears skirts with his balls hanging low enough he could play hacky sack with them. 

Am I a bigot for this?  He creeps me the fuck out. 

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February 4, 2017
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I identify as a rich man with tons of money and tons of power. Treat me as such.

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Oh, so they only like women when they are trying to be men? Proves my point. They always put the men first, before the women. In any way shape or form. You fascist male pig or something feminist goes here.  

Their project is for women and transmen. And. Not one above the other. 

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Ps I do like that you were so caught up in your reactionary bigotry against trans people that you accidentally bigoted yourself into seeing them as their true gender instead of their assigned gender.   

I find cross dressing creepy.  Here is the thing if you identify as a woman and dress as such and act as such cool…. 

But we got a 90 year old dude that hangs out at Walmart near me.  He is dirty,  wears panty hose without shaving his legs,  has a beard and always wears skirts with his balls hanging low enough he could play hacky sack with them. 

Am I a bigot for this?  He creeps me the fuck out.   

What about him creeps you out? If you can physically see his testicles and that is what bothers you, there might be some homophobia behind it but it is generally considered unacceptable to have your genitals out in public so you might just be a prude?

If it is specifically his dress habits, I can’t really say. Do you think men should dress a certain way? If so, why? 

That person might be gender non conforming as a way of rejecting prescriptive gender roles. Like iggy pop.

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I identify as a rich man with tons of money and tons of power. Treat me as such.  

Do you think wealth equates to a person’s personhood? I don’t. I try to treat everybody as I would a rich white man. With just as much decency as they show to queer homeless kids of color. 

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February 4, 2017
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Rich people get treated better by other people. Just saying.

 

So you only care how people treat gay homeless black kids? Most likely male too….

 

Their project might be for both, but they certainly think of one above the other and it makes you proud.

 

Not wanting to see testicles is not homophobic. That’s called being heterosexual. Not wanting to see old man testicles is a completely different story. Now, if YOU like seeing old man testicles swinging around like a pendulum that’s your thing. Doesn’t make us a bigot for not wanting to see that or you any more progressive. Actually, it makes you regressive for not respect the fact that perhaps old man testicles are gross to certain people. Then again, I guess you feel that an older MAN should have the right to do what he wants because you hate women. You bigot.

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February 4, 2017
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I find cross dressing creepy.  Here is the thing if you identify as a woman and dress as such and act as such cool…. 

But we got a 90 year old dude that hangs out at Walmart near me.  He is dirty,  wears panty hose without shaving his legs,  has a beard and always wears skirts with his balls hanging low enough he could play hacky sack with them. 

Am I a bigot for this?  He creeps me the fuck out.   

Naw, dude creeps you out cause he sounds creepy. Cross dressing isn’t an excuse to be dirty and let your balls hang in Walmart.

Btw, cross dressing and being trans are two different things. Like, both clinically and culturally those are two different things. Even if you drop the “trans is a mental illness” line (which is questionable at best) it’s still two different things. One is a person choosing to wear clothes that are traditionally considered typical for a gender that isn’t theirs and one is a “mental illness”. 

 

POSITIVE NOTE:

We have a cross dresser prosty that patrols our street every once in awhile and he’s pleasant as fuck to talk to. Dude just happens to wear a dress and make up. Doesn’t even hit me up for smokes, which is rare for prostitutes around here. He has some crazy stories, most of which boil down to ” super straight, alpha male, homophobes loves the cock on Saturdays”.

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I think what creeps me out about his is more his hygiene and lack of personal boundaries.  He tends to get right up on it. 

I can accept being a homophobe if it means I don’t have to allow him to touch me with his nastyness. 

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February 5, 2017
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I think what creeps me out about his is more his hygiene and lack of personal boundaries.  He tends to get right up on it. 

I can accept being a homophobe if it means I don’t have to allow him to touch me with his nastyness.   

No one should ever touch you without your consent. 

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Rich people get treated better by other people. Just saying.

I don’t. I live in la and see very wealthy people every day and don’t give a shit. Rich people are usually assholes who need to be brought down a peg. 

So you only care how people treat gay homeless black kids? Most likely male too….

Black isn’t the only color, queer isn’t just gay. 

I don’t “just” care how they are treated but if you would spit on a homeless queer kid of color why shouldn’t I spit on you? How you treat the kids who hit the most intersections of oppression is just the bare minimum of decency. Everything else builds up from there. 

Their project might be for both, but they certainly think of one above the other and it makes you proud.

Yes when they said “can we collect tampons for homeless women and transmen?” They were definitely only thinking of men.

Not wanting to see testicles is not homophobic.

Correct. I said maybe homophobic. Not Wanting to see peoples genitals is a rather common trait. 

That’s called being heterosexual.

Well, i mean not really. I mean, you’re really stretching to get to heterosexual man but really lots of heterosexual men see other men’s testicles. Every time they watch porn. Plus, you know, there’s a huge gap between disinterest and repulsion. Also we are juggalos and look at each other’s buttholes. Well not you. You know what I mean. 

Not wanting to see old man testicles is a completely different story. Now, if YOU like seeing old man testicles swinging around like a pendulum that’s your thing. Doesn’t make us a bigot for not wanting to see that or you any more progressive.

Never said it did. 

Actually, it makes you regressive for not respect the fact that perhaps old man testicles are gross to certain people. Then again, I guess you feel that an older MAN should have the right to do what he wants because you hate women. You bigot.  

You’re stretching well beyond the elasticity of even the Breitest of barts. 

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February 5, 2017
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*opens thread and basks in a positive debate on the finer points of staring at balls*

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*opens thread and basks in a positive debate on the finer points of staring at balls*  

At least it was positive and not just me bashing Rob For the hell of it.  We are making progress. 

Back on topic. 

Rob  , I am not surprised if that church is in fact Methodist.  My Church and the Methodist Church here have very close ties. The problem with Christianity is when people forget the basic principle of loving each other and become snobby bigoted people who only care about themselves. 

My grandfather used to say ” anything humans get involved in gets tainted and corrupted eventually “.

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 … My grandfather used to say ” anything humans get involved in gets tainted and corrupted eventually “.  

My grandpa fought Nazis in WWII and wasn’t big on original sin. On an even more positive note, he raised me to cultivate strength (and trigger real Nazis.) Give a tranny some tampons, and she has clean underwear for a day. Teach a tranny how to find her own fucking tampons, and activists will likely find the next “marginalized” group to pity. Member DJ Clay’s Yo Mama days? This was one of mine: “Yo mama use expired Red Lobster coupons as tampons.”

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February 5, 2017
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At least it was positive and not just me bashing Rob For the hell of it.  We are making progress. 

Back on topic. 

Rob  , I am not surprised if that church is in fact Methodist.  My Church and the Methodist Church here have very close ties. The problem with Christianity is when people forget the basic principle of loving each other and become snobby bigoted people who only care about themselves. 

My grandfather used to say ” anything humans get involved in gets tainted and corrupted eventually “.  

So I swung by there today and they are actually Baptist which i didn’t know is different from southern Baptist. They tried to explain it to me but it’s all over my head. 

I’m totally cool with people being religious as long as they don’t use it to hurt other people, but i do find your grandpas quote to be pretty accurate. 

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February 5, 2017
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 … My grandfather used to say ” anything humans get involved in gets tainted and corrupted eventually “.  

My grandpa fought Nazis in WWII and wasn’t big on original sin. On an even more positive note, he raised me to cultivate strength (and trigger real Nazis.) Give a tranny some tampons, and she has clean underwear for a day. Teach a tranny how to find her own fucking tampons, and activists will likely find the next “marginalized” group to pity. Member DJ Clay’s Yo Mama days? This was one of mine: “Yo mama use expired Red Lobster coupons as tampons.”  

Transmen are men. He would have clean underwear. 

It is not about pity but about helping to take care of people in our community. We are all connected and if you have privileges that can help end someone else’s suffering, why not use it to level the playing field at least a little. The kids at my church are all middle class. They benefit in a lot of ways from the same systems that create homelessness in the first place. 

Anyway, it’s better than the homeless people having to use their money on tampons instead of food. 

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February 6, 2017
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I, uh, I don’t think they have a problem finding tampons, more like paying for tampons… I’m sure Rob would give all of those MEN jobs if he could. But not the women. Because he hates them.

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