11:18 am
May 29, 2013
How the fuck is not being treated like a second class citizen not an accomplishment i dont get it man. And you dont think protedtors spreading their beliefs and letting their voices be heard doesnt play a big role in why abortion is still illegal in several states? Or legal in others? Same with gay marriage. You’re being really narrow minded pat, i know you arent an ignorant person. Dont trap yourself in a dated state of mind man
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11:18 am
November 30, 2012
Yes, some Americans are poor LTB, but don’t even compare our poor to the depraved in Countries like India. They would give a kidney to live like our poor people do. Poor sucks in any Country, but they have it way worse than even our poorest of the poor. So maybe they want to protest, if they can find the strength, which I doubt. Throw in some heat too, it kills a lot of motivation. I can’t compare other Countries and what they fight for and want to make statements about, over here it bugs me. I won’t talk on them, I don’t even wanna think about what their life is like.
11:23 am
November 30, 2012
I’m probably going to sound retarded, but I wasn’t aware that abortion was illegal in ANY state. Gay marriage doesn’t bother me, but I think gay couples can get married up here, I know it’s definitely not the case in other parts of the Country. Abortion though? I’ll be honest, I had no idea it was illegal anywhere in this Country.
12:09 pm
May 29, 2013
1:20 pm
November 30, 2012
I just checked and abortion is legal in every state, but that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily available in each state. Mississippi has one abortion clinic and opens once every 16 weeks. So like Tech N9ne in Real Killer, people be traveling for abortions I guess. But it is technically legal in every state, ruling by the Supreme Court says a women’s right to choose is protected under the laws of the Constitution.
1:49 pm
May 29, 2013
4:43 pm
December 3, 2012
Damn I missed alot. Im about a page and a half behind so I may be repeating some points here.
1. This is a no brainer for me. The only difficult thing is who and when should you be allowed to pull the plug. Case and point that poor pregnant girl that was dead but the family didnt want to let go. At some point the choice has to be taken out of the families hands when nothing can be done.
2. I like scruffys response to this, I dont like the words either. Up until the last year or so ive always been a “her body her decision” type of guy. Now im only for it in cases of extreme birth defects, rape, or circumstances that will put a mother in mortal danger. Most of you put the blame on a whore mother I noticed but NOBODY said anything about the responsibility of the father. Just throwing that out there. Nowadays I just feel like an abortion is throwing away precious human potential. It could be the child thats supposed to change the world forever. I dont judge women for wanting one, I just believe the baby should have a chance. Because a life in a orphanage is better than no chance at all.
3. I do not believe animals have souls. If there is such a thing I think its what separates us from the animals. It gives us our values in the first place to sit and discuss things like this in a message board. That said im kind of a new age hippie/native american when it comes to this kind of thing. Ever see avatar? I feel like the universe and every plant, animal, and human are connected and we need to respect mother earth and these animals that cohabit with us. Im a fucking hypocrite though because I dont care enough about those chickens to actually stop eating KFC ya know? Its too fucking delicious so in true american asshole style I dont think about it because it doesnt affect me directly.
4. First id like to point out LTB is right. Because of our appeals system its cheaper to house a murderer than kill him off. Price means nothing to me. I try to think of what I would do if the state and government wasnt in the way and I only had my morals and values to make a decision on.
If someone took the life of someone I love, I wouldnt think to lock him up, feed him, bathe him, and let my buddies rape him in the ass all day. I would do everything in my power to destroy that mother fucker and everything he stands for. Publicly if need be
5. Let me preface this by saying im learning about anarcho capitalism(slowly, im a dummy and its complicated) and the base of this is called “non aggression principle”. Its the values that I have stood for my whole life but never knew there was a word for it.(if you are interested check out stefan molyneux on youtube).
Scruffy you ask how one would go out and actively seek crime, so ill give a few examples.
Cops using heat detection equipment to spot weed operations in peoples homes
Stings to take down prostitutes
Busting up gambling dens
a HUGE one is the evens of waco, texas in 94. They broke no laws and had every right to practice their religion and carry guns.
What do all of these have in common? None of them violate the non aggression principle. In all cases, all parties are involved voluntarily and there are no complaints involved. Dealer-buyer, hooker-john, gamblers all have a mutual agreement that is mutually beneficial to all parties involved.
Not only is it fucking wrong, but Its shredding our due process in this country. Yall know that 95% of court cases never see trial in this country? Know why? Because they are so fucking backed up they offer a ridiculous sentence if you dont agree to a plea deal, almost forcing you to take what it is they offer you.
when it comes to theft,assault,murder,rape there is a complaint involved. The principle is violated so only then should police be allowed to act.
Things need to change. We need a reactive police.
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4:56 pm
November 30, 2012
David Koresch (Or however you spell it) was a dictator, and was also molesting kids. He was stockpiling guns and out of his fucking mind. Read up on the Branch Davidians, there was a lot of shady shit going down there Slum, they were preparing to start a war, lots of people were held prisoners in fear too, people who left were getting killed along with their families. No sympathy from me towards them, the FBI didn’t start that firefight, they did, and it’s one that they ended up losing. Instead of letting them in to search the premises on several reports of weapons stockpiling and people being held prisoner/child abuse that they had very right to do and with probable cause, they decided to lock the gates and open fire on the agents. Bad choice.
5:06 pm
December 3, 2012
No need, im well versed in what went down, and have read the book from his right hand man. He was banging sixteen year old girls but with permission. There is no evidence that they were gonna start a war. You were told that by the same mother fuckers that drove an abrams up in there(which most people dont know about). The atf started that fire just like with that dorner dude last winter.
By the way, did you know before a fed was sent in undercover that they took all their guns and gave them back? Because they werent violating any gun laws.
Im not saying what went on there was right, but those people were there on their own accord. Id be a cult leader if I could find people dumb enough to believe that shit
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5:19 pm
December 3, 2012
Yall were talking about MLK….Dude isnt exactly a beacon of moral behavior. He plagiarized part of his I have a dream speech and habitually cheated on his wife with many different women. He did more good as a martyr than he ever did as a protestor.
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5:47 pm
November 30, 2012
Hey, it’s still better than what Christopher Columbus did, and he gets a holiday.
I also don’t believe that all the people were there on their own accord. And the girl was 10 or 12, not 16. It’s what motivated one of the people to report him. He was probably banging 16 year olds too, but he went lower than that. Dude was a dictator and a piece of shit, Jim Jones on a smaller scale. He just didn’t have the vision to move them all to South America like Jones did.
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May 29, 2013
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August 6, 2013
Ok, I have a few tidbits to add, first of all:
2.) I have strong views on abortion, this is America, let people make their own choices. There’s a family planning clinic up where I live and rain or shine, snow and freezing temperatures, whatever, there are these assholes that stand 100 feet away (By law) and hold up signs that resemble Cannibal Corpse album covers. Some real Butchered at Birth shit. One guy wears a 3 foot wooden cross hanging off his neck, it almost drags on the ground. While your dedication is admirable, you’re still an asshole. Leave the women alone, it’s their choice. Trying to talk to these people is pointless, I’ve tried. Whether she was raped or there was an accident or she’s just using the abortion of the month club as birth control, leave her the fuck alone. Forcing more women to be horrible mothers won’t help anything, and you’d just end up finding even more babies in dumpsters than you do now. Adoption is an option, but some people don’t want to put themselves, or the life of another through that, and I respect their decision. If there is a hell, and I believe there is, I think the pro life people are the ones who will be going there. Have your opinion, fine, but keep it to yourself, at least don’t flaunt it in front of a woman who’s going through something you can’t comprehend or understand. Assholes.
Fucking this.
Secondly, @patjoyce you posted that the Death Penalty is cheaper than life in prison. With our fucked up judicial system being the way it is, this is not true (source: http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-…..nalty-cost) I am still on the fence about the death penalty, seeing as it doesn’t really seem to deter crime. Also, after they made the death penalty the punishment for a rape that causes injury to the female, but this will lead to the higher likelihood of the woman being murdered (harder to get caught if the girl can’t tell, some Metamorphoses/Titus Andronicus shit right there)
Thirdly, protesting the WAR does not necessarily mean protesting the MILITARY. I know many people against the wars overseas (myself being one of them for the most part) but I have no problem with the military or servicemen. I have a problem with the government that is sending our men and women over there to be killed and to (usually unintentionally) cause collateral damage. I don’t exactly believe that they are “fighting for our freedom” either, but I DO believe they are fighting for our country, and to provide for themselves and their families. It is once again the government who fuck over the military they say they are so proud of and respect, though they try and find any way out of paying veterans and other shit like that.
However, I get pissed off about people who use the military as if it makes them some kind of super-human. It doesn’t make you any better than anyone else. Then again, those people are usually assholes to begin with.
Also, Have you guys heard about the amount of rape and sexual assault that is going on in the military? Here is an article basically saying it’s horrible: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..81704.html
That article is skewed to the feminist side though, and doesn’t really highlight the fact that a lot of MEN are being sexually assaulted in the military as well.
LTB, please confront that shit if you see it.
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August 6, 2013
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7:32 pm
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August 6, 2013
patjoyce said
Hey, it’s still better than what Christopher Columbus did, and he gets a holiday.I also don’t believe that all the people were there on their own accord. And the girl was 10 or 12, not 16. It’s what motivated one of the people to report him. He was probably banging 16 year olds too, but he went lower than that. Dude was a dictator and a piece of shit, Jim Jones on a smaller scale. He just didn’t have the vision to move them all to South America like Jones did.
This, PLUS in most states (depending on age of consent) it doesn’t MATTER whether or not she agreed to it, minors are legally not able to give consent.
7:35 pm
May 29, 2013
you’re absolutely right all of the full of themselves dick wipes in the military are almost always total assholes before they joined. As for the sexual assault/rape, if you took an all female prison and an all male prison and said “Hey lets just say fuck it and throw them all in the same place with little to no integration or planning” there would probably be a lot of rape and sexual assault. Tight living quarters, months without seeing a friendly female face–let alone a young physically fit dime of a girl, and entirely too much testosterone is always a recipe for lapses in judgement. Terrible, fucking awful lapses. Lapses that get people court martialed. As they should.
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7:47 pm
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August 6, 2013
Read that article dude, there is a stigma against reporting sexual assault in the military, most of the perpetrators are either higher up in the chain of command, or FRIENDS with people higher up in the chain of command. Also, over half of those who DO report it face retaliation. This is basically the government not doing its job in making sure people who are fighting for THEM are safe.
Also, did you see this picture of people freaking out about a NON-COMBAT Sikh having a Turban and a beard? 
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People are fucking stupid. Muslims and Sikhs aren’t even the same religion…
7:59 pm
May 29, 2013
Yeah, thats fucked up. And reporting any abuse in the military is stigmatized. In some cases for good reason. Hazing for example. Hazing is part of the military, always has been. Always will be. It builds character. Sexual abuse however is fucked.
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9:07 pm
September 17, 2012
Perfect questions to start a good debate. I’ll stay out of this one….or better yet, sloppily quote George Carlin and agree when he said “pro choice in everything”. That way when someone does something you think is wrong, it was their freedom do to so, but you also have the freedom to shoot the fuck, and walk freely away.
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